Samsung Compares Galaxy S9 to Very Slow iPhone 6 in Frivolous Ad

[mike.a]

That still seems way too long for an iPhone 6, given my iPhone 5s does it significantly faster even on power save mode. Especially the close and reopen times, those shouldn't take several seconds.

I'd suggest doing a clean install of iOS via iTunes on your Mac or PC.

Just to clarify, "close and reopen" in my case means using the task switcher to kill off the app (whether or not iOS 11 actually does any kind of process termination, I don't know), then opening the app again.

Subsequent opens for Wallet: 2s
Subsequent opens for Maps: <3s

I might do a clean install anyway, thanks for the suggestion : )

What are your times?

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Just to clarify, "close and reopen" in my case means using the task switcher to kill off the app (whether or not iOS 11 actually does any kind of process termination, I don't know), then opening the app again.

Subsequent opens for Wallet: 2s
Subsequent opens for Maps: <3s

I might do a clean install anyway, thanks for the suggestion : )

What are your times?

Times for: iPhone 5s / iPhone 5s in power save mode / iPhone X / iPhone X in power save mode

First open of Wallet, freshly booted device: 1.35 / 2.04 / 0.6 / 1.11 seconds
Subsequent reopen of Wallet without termination: instant / instant / instant / instant
Reopen of Wallet after termination via app switcher: 1.1 / 1.76 / 0.75 / 0.95 seconds

(Time until white screen disappears and cards appear. Note that I have only 2 cards set up in wallet.)

First open of Maps, freshly booted device
-> Until white screen disappears: 3.36 / 3.61 / 1.2 / 1.41
-> Until map and location have loaded: 5.02 / 6.08 / 1.65 / 1.78
Subsequent reopen of Maps without termination: instant / instant / instant / instant
Reopen of Wallet after termination via app switcher
-> Until white screen disappears: 1.62 / 2.36 / 0.89 / 0.96
-> Until map and location have loaded: 2.16 / 3.44 / 0.93 / 1.09

(Maps defaulting to current location on both devices, standard maps view. No SIM installed in iPhone 5s. Both devices on iOS 11.3.1)

 

[mike.a]

(Times for: iPhone 5s / iPhone 5s in power save mode / iPhone X / iPhone X in power save mode)

First open of Wallet, freshly booted device: 1.35 / 2.04 / 0.6 / 1.11 seconds
Subsequent reopen of Wallet without termination: instant / instant / instant / instant
Reopen of Wallet after termination via app switcher: 1.1 / 1.76 / 0.75 / 0.95 seconds

(Time until white screen disappears and cards appear. Note that I have only 2 cards set up in wallet. No SIM installed in iPhone 5s.)

First open of Maps, freshly booted device
-> Until white screen disappears: 3.36 /
-> Until map and location have loaded: 5.02 /
Subsequent reopen of Maps without termination: instant /
Reopen of Wallet after termination via app switcher
-> Until white screen disappears: 1.62 /
-> Until map and location have loaded: 2.16 /

Heck. That's really good. A clean install beckons...

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Heck. That's really good. A clean install beckons...

I've completed testing with Maps and have now edited my above post to include all times from both devices, both with and without power save mode on.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

It was a funny ad.

 

[mike.a]

I've completed testing with Maps and have now edited my above post to include all times from both devices, both with and without power save mode on.

hey thanks for that. i turned the 6 off / on, and my times for both improved:

• Maps <4s first open, <2s subsequent
• Wallet <2s first open, <2s subsequent

I'm unsure how much an improved a clean install will make, but sub-2s isn't so bad for me.

 

[AnthonyHarris]

So this is supposed to be the "we are special Apple costumers" playground? No outsiders allowed aka people who reveal Apple's wrong choices throughout the years? Are we supposed to worship Apple in every way possible here?

Absolutely not. I thought it was here for reasonable debate and criticisms of products that you might actually want to buy. Not for Android users that hate everything Apple, that have no intention of owning an Apple device and will never contribute constructively to the conversation.

Maybe this is more suited? https://www.androidcentral.com
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You laugh out loud whenever you see someone wearing AirPods? How mature of you...

I see several people with AirPods in public every day. I never saw anyone mocking them or laughing at them. I myself don't feel ridiculed wearing AirPods, the average person doesn't find anything obviously laughable about them so most people just don't care.

AirPods are hugely successful, perhaps because they're a great product.

I saw someone getting on a flight wearing them. The ends were poking straight out and he looked like he had cigarettes stuck in his ears.

As popular as they are, it can be a rather unfortunate look if you have strange earholes.

 

[1050792]

Absolutely not. I thought it was here for reasonable debate and criticisms of products that you might actually want to buy. Not for Android users that hate everything Apple, that have no intention of owning an Apple device and will never contribute constructively to the conversation.

Maybe this is more suited? https://www.androidcentral.com
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I saw someone getting on a flight wearing them. The ends were poking straight out and he looked like he had cigarettes stuck in his ears.

As popular as they are, it can be a rather unfortunate look if you have strange earholes.

You can criticize a product even if you don't plan to buy it, that's how freedom of speech works.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

You can criticize a product even if you don't plan to buy it, that's how freedom of speech works.

Sure you can. Depending on the way you do that and your intentions, that might just make you a dick. There's no law against being a dick.

 

[AnthonyHarris]

You can criticize a product even if you don't plan to buy it, that's how freedom of speech works.

Why waste your time and free speech on criticising something you don’t want, won’t ever use and probably have no experience of? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do if you ask me.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
Enough with the bickering and please stay on topic.

 

[Radon87000]

The ad is perfectly logical. The ones who fell victim to Apple's planned obsolescence strategy will obviously upgrade to an S9 from the iPhone 6. The portrayal is perfect. My iPhone 6 on iOS 11 with a new battery is indeed that slow.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

The ad is perfectly logical. The ones who fell victim to Apple's planned obsolescence strategy will obviously upgrade to an S9 from the iPhone 6. The portrayal is perfect. My iPhone 6 on iOS 11 with a new battery is indeed that slow.

There is no "planned obsolescence strategy". What some iPhone 6 owners "fell victim to" is the exact opposite of that.
I think that had been exhaustively discussed before.

If your iPhone 6 with a healthy battery is slow on iOS 11.3.1, do a clean install.

And remember "slow" is relative. An iPhone 8 or X is like five times as powerful, who in their right mind would expect the same software to run as fast on an iPhone 6 as on those?

 

[1050792]

There is no "planned obsolescence strategy". What some iPhone 6 owners "fell victim to" is the exact opposite of that.
I think that had been exhaustively discussed before.

If your iPhone 6 with a healthy battery is slow on iOS 11.3.1, do a clean install.

And remember "slow" is relative. An iPhone 8 or X is like five times as powerful, who in their right mind would expect the same software to run as fast on an iPhone 6 as on those?

You are trying to justify a bad mistake made by Apple who in their own good apologized and were forced to release an iOS update to mitigate the issue of the unexpected phone shutdowns and a battery replacement for $29. Isn’t it ridiculous that you are still trying to make the good out of a bad situation which Apple admited themselves? Slow is not relative, slow is slow and the iPhone 6 is slow compared to how it was on iOS 8, and it became like that since iOS 9.

 

[borgranta]

Does iPhone 6 work better when plugged in? If it does then those that tend to keep it charging constantly whether with a car charger or portable energy bank and/or portable solar powered charger or other devices could experience little or no slowing.

 

[C DM]

Does iPhone 6 work better when plugged in? If it does then those that tend to keep it charging constantly whether with a car charger or portable energy bank and/or portable solar powered charger or other devices could experience little or no slowing.

If it's being throttled there are a few solutions: get the battery changed for fairly cheap from Apple and/or disable the power management features related to that in battery settings (as of iOS 11.3).

 

[Jack Burton]

Well, I'm a current Samsung dude and I would describe it as a less than perfect marriage. Got my s7 at a steal a few years back ($400).

I finally got to spend a good amount of time with someone's iPhone X, and not those crappy demo models at target or best buy. I actually loved the gestures, which I thought I would hate. I thought I would really miss a home button. I don't. I am absolutely in love with this thing, and the addition of wireless charging in the 8 and X mostly counters my gripe of no headphone jack.

Samsung may have hit a nerve of Apple owners with this commercial, but I'll never buy one of their phones again. The bloat. The slow updates. The whole phone heats up during updates and games. The edges of all their flagship devices are now curved. I can't stand it. A headphone jack and memory card only matter so much, and if the phone sucks monster balls so quickly during day to day use, the jack and memory card aren't worth it.

Apple is now waterproof, beautiful OLED, and wireless charging, and is just about the perfect size. It's very, very tempting to switch back to Apple. I'll wait to see what comes at WWDC, if anything. But I may have to get the X if my Samsung can limp along on the craptacular battery until WWDC.

Anyone know if visual voice mail works on an unlocked X? My other issue is Verizon itself. Poor performance lately. I want to be able to switch away if my call issues still exist on a new phone.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

You are trying to justify a bad mistake made by Apple who in their own good apologized and were forced to release an iOS update to mitigate the issue of the unexpected phone shutdowns and a battery replacement for $29.

So far I wasn't justifying anything, merely stating how absurd the notion of a "planned obsolescence strategy" is.

But no, Apple didn't apologize for a "bad mistake" but for lacking communication. Which was the only thing they really screwed up with, and even that is hard to blame them for IMHO since they where in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of situation. This had all been discussed here in great length back then though, so I don't really see the point in starting another discussion about that now.

Isn’t it ridiculous that you are still trying to make the good out of a bad situation which Apple admited themselves? Slow is not relative, slow is slow and the iPhone 6 is slow compared to how it was on iOS 8, and it became like that since iOS 9.

Of course slow is relative, you can't seriously dispute that. And of course iOS 8 ran snappier on iPhone 6, which was the most powerful device when iOS 8 came out, than iOS 11 does now when it can utilize multiple times the power on current devices. You do realize that iOS 11 has basically the same features on iPhone 6 that it has on iPhone 8 or X?

I've used my iPhone 5s as daily driver from Christmas 2013 to Christmas 2017, from iOS 7 to iOS 11. Sure iOS 7 ran snappier on it, but iOS 11 is that much more advanced and has that much more features, expecting it to be as easy on resources as the comparatively downright crippled iOS 7 would be just naive. That given, it's impressive how well iOS 11 performs on an iPhone 5s still. Performance wasn't the main incentive for me to upgrade, the 5s would still make a perfectly fine daily driver for me in 2018 and probably beyond, especially since chances are it will even get iOS 12.
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Well, I'm a current Samsung dude and I would describe it as a less than perfect marriage. Got my s7 at a steal a few years back ($400).

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Apple is now waterproof, beautiful OLED, and wireless charging, and is just about the perfect size. It's very, very tempting to switch back to Apple. I'll wait to see what comes at WWDC, if anything. But I may have to get the X if my Samsung can limp along on the craptacular battery until WWDC.

Anyone know if visual voice mail works on an unlocked X? My other issue is Verizon itself. Poor performance lately. I want to be able to switch away if my call issues still exist on a new phone.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a new iPhone at WWDC. That hasn't happened for 8 years.

By unlocked you mean not locked to a certain carrier? Visual voicemail does work for me with german T-Mobile on my unlocked X.

 

[convergent]

Well, I'm a current Samsung dude and I would describe it as a less than perfect marriage. Got my s7 at a steal a few years back ($400).

I finally got to spend a good amount of time with someone's iPhone X, and not those crappy demo models at target or best buy. I actually loved the gestures, which I thought I would hate. I thought I would really miss a home button. I don't. I am absolutely in love with this thing, and the addition of wireless charging in the 8 and X mostly counters my gripe of no headphone jack.

Samsung may have hit a nerve of Apple owners with this commercial, but I'll never buy one of their phones again. The bloat. The slow updates. The whole phone heats up during updates and games. The edges of all their flagship devices are now curved. I can't stand it. A headphone jack and memory card only matter so much, and if the phone sucks monster balls so quickly during day to day use, the jack and memory card aren't worth it.

Apple is now waterproof, beautiful OLED, and wireless charging, and is just about the perfect size. It's very, very tempting to switch back to Apple. I'll wait to see what comes at WWDC, if anything. But I may have to get the X if my Samsung can limp along on the craptacular battery until WWDC.

Anyone know if visual voice mail works on an unlocked X? My other issue is Verizon itself. Poor performance lately. I want to be able to switch away if my call issues still exist on a new phone.

I don't experience any of those "Samsung" problems you describe on my Note 8, but the grass does usually appear greener on the other side of the fence. Also $400 vs. $1000+... hmmm. My first foray to Samsung was an S5 that I hated, and it didn't have a lot of issues you described. Apple could probably create a similar ad to target people with older Samsung phones(like you) to try and entice them to move. Its all fair game. Bottom line is buy what makes you happy and realize all of them are both great smartphones, and have their unique challenges.

 

[borgranta]

Well, I'm a current Samsung dude and I would describe it as a less than perfect marriage. Got my s7 at a steal a few years back ($400).

I finally got to spend a good amount of time with someone's iPhone X, and not those crappy demo models at target or best buy. I actually loved the gestures, which I thought I would hate. I thought I would really miss a home button. I don't. I am absolutely in love with this thing, and the addition of wireless charging in the 8 and X mostly counters my gripe of no headphone jack.

Samsung may have hit a nerve of Apple owners with this commercial, but I'll never buy one of their phones again. The bloat. The slow updates. The whole phone heats up during updates and games. The edges of all their flagship devices are now curved. I can't stand it. A headphone jack and memory card only matter so much, and if the phone sucks monster balls so quickly during day to day use, the jack and memory card aren't worth it.

Apple is now waterproof, beautiful OLED, and wireless charging, and is just about the perfect size. It's very, very tempting to switch back to Apple. I'll wait to see what comes at WWDC, if anything. But I may have to get the X if my Samsung can limp along on the craptacular battery until WWDC.

Anyone know if visual voice mail works on an unlocked X? My other issue is Verizon itself. Poor performance lately. I want to be able to switch away if my call issues still exist on a new phone.

Samsung mail app can take a long time when deleting multiple emails whereas Apple mail could is so quick that you could delete all your emails in no time. In fact that is what I did the first time that I used it and then selectively restored some to my inbox.
[doublepost=1527121981][/doublepost]The Apple Mail app has performed better than all Androids that I have ever used and considering it is an iPhone 4s that is pretty impressive

 

[Jack Burton]

I don't experience any of those "Samsung" problems you describe on my Note 8, but the grass does usually appear greener on the other side of the fence. Also $400 vs. $1000+... hmmm. My first foray to Samsung was an S5 that I hated, and it didn't have a lot of issues you described. Apple could probably create a similar ad to target people with older Samsung phones(like you) to try and entice them to move. Its all fair game. Bottom line is buy what makes you happy and realize all of them are both great smartphones, and have their unique challenges.

That note 8 launched at what, $930? I remember when that price was shocking! Now we are past the $1000 threshold.

Perhaps it was luck that I got a bad S7. I love the headphone jack, wireless charging, and expandable memory of the Samsung line. The screen is stunning. But the drop in performance has been truly terrible 2018.

You're right on the grass is always greener. I bounce around between brands, including Apple. The only one I think I was really happy with was the Moto g3. There was something truly freeing about carrying around a cheap phone. Nobody is going to mug you for it, that's for sure.

 

[borgranta]

That note 8 launched at what, $930? I remember when that price was shocking! Now we are past the $1000 threshold.

Perhaps it was luck that I got a bad S7. I love the headphone jack, wireless charging, and expandable memory of the Samsung line. The screen is stunning. But the drop in performance has been truly terrible 2018.

You're right on the grass is always greener. I bounce around between brands, including Apple. The only one I think I was really happy with was the Moto g3. There was something truly freeing about carrying around a cheap phone. Nobody is going to mug you for it, that's for sure.

Considering all the anti-theft features of Apple it would not be profitable to steal it.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Mine is pretty fast..

'Fast' is a meaningless concept. Once you have had the device for a day or maybe a week, you expect it to operate as it did new therefor your perception of the fastness or slowness of the device is reset. It works. Any perceived pauses or lags are taken as horrific, and the bitching starts. *shrug*

 

[Abazigal]

The ad is perfectly logical. The ones who fell victim to Apple's planned obsolescence strategy will obviously upgrade to an S9 from the iPhone 6. The portrayal is perfect. My iPhone 6 on iOS 11 with a new battery is indeed that slow.

And how exactly is the consumer supposed to benefit from an S9 over an iPhone 8+ or X?

I don't see how the ad is logical at all. It's attempting to stir an issue that has already been resolved at the time the ad was screened. Why not feature an iPhone 4 and bring up antannaegate while you are at it?

 

[convergent]

And how exactly is the consumer supposed to benefit from an S9 over an iPhone 8+ or X?

I don't see how the ad is logical at all. It's attempting to stir an issue that has already been resolved at the time the ad was screened. Why not feature an iPhone 4 and bring up antannaegate while you are at it?

You aren't going to see it as logical. You aren't the target customer. Its logical to someone that isn't going to just automatically buy only Apple projects, and its showing them there is a great device that they can buy that is not Apple. The point is to get them thinking outside the iPhone only mentality. And the issue is not resolved, because Apple does this kind of stuff all the time... and being trapped in the Apple ecosystem means you just have to put up with it, which is what the woman in the ad is doing. Opening yourself up to more options removes that "trapped" feeling. Its one of the reasons I pulled out of the Apple ecosystem. I don't like being trapped.