Samsung Demands Another Retrial, Says 'No Reasonable Jury' Could Have Sided With Apple

[NT1440]

No, I've read the pro's and cons, I understand alright.
It's just that a fingerprint scanner is more reliable and quicker, I'd imaging having it embedded in the screen would only make the experience even better.
The notch is hideous, its not a good trade off in my glib opinion.
Application Programming Interface? Really?

Every in-screen fingerprint reader is slower than TouchID, so not sure why that's your measurement of speed.

And yes API's. The depth capabilities for FaceID allow DEVELOPERS to use depth maps in their apps. That's a big friggin deal that no one else has right now. If you want some insights on what you can do with that feel free to watch:
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/503/

There is a reason why FaceID is coming to the entire apple lineup, and it's going to be far more than just photo effects. It's going to take a few years for the userbase to be big enough for the features (aside from security of course) but there's a reason they've invested so much in this.

 

[Klyster]

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Every in-screen fingerprint reader is slower than TouchID, so not sure why that's your measurement of speed.

And yes API's. The depth capabilities for FaceID allow DEVELOPERS to use depth maps in their apps. That's a big friggin deal that no one else has right now. If you want some insights on what you can do with that feel free to watch:
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/503/

Nope, face ID is far slower.

What's your measure of speed?

You keep your API's and I'll settle for no notch.
Aesthetics mean more to me than developers ability to get stuff done with some notch that will be removed as soon as it can be.

 

[NT1440]

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Nope, face ID is far slower.

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Uh....might want to reread what I wrote buddy.

 

[Klyster]

Every in-screen fingerprint reader is slower than TouchID, so not sure why that's your measurement of speed.

Ah touch ID...does the X have touch ID?

Also, how do you know that touch ID is faster than an embedded scanner?

 

[NT1440]

So why post a speed comparison to FACEID?

 

[Klyster]

So why post a speed comparison to FACEID?

I misread your your post, I assumed that since we were talking about the X, touch ID wouldn't be a part of the conversation, you know, because it doesn't have touch ID and I'd already made the comparison between Face ID and touch sensors.

As for touch ID vs embedded scanners, I've not seen a comparison, enlighten me.

Because the Vivo and the S9 traded blows, but the S9 beats the iPhone 8.
So really, I don't see how touch ID would be faster.
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[spjonez]

Comparing fingerprint to face unlock is an odd comparison. Especially when one requires a gesture and you're including the delay of the users action to measure how quickly a phone unlocks. For this to be a non bias test of pure unlock speed you'd have to remove that delay from the equation.

The phone in the video with a fingerprint scanner under the screen is worse than both IMO. If you can't reliably unlock the phone without looking at where the sensor is it's not a viable replacement for either system. Touch ID works because you can feel the scan area so you don't have to be precise when placing your finger. Until you can touch anywhere on the screen it's inferior for convenience.

There's other factors to consider as well. I own an iPhone 6 and if my hands are wet Touch ID doesn't work very well. Under the screen sensors are likely even worse in this situation. I slammed my thumb in a door and until it healed it wouldn't work at all.

Both systems have their pro's and con's but Face ID (especially with depth) also provide improved AR capabilities. It may not be as fast now, but the delay is ms slower and provides a lot of other possible functionality. AR is in it's infancy and I'm not surprised Apple and other OEM's are focusing their efforts on those technologies. A few iterations and it will surpass Touch ID in both speed and functionality.

 

[cmaier]

Man, this thread has gone way off-topic.

 

[LordVic]

Oh noes! It's not the Eastern District of Texas!

So far, Apple hasn't won any of these copying cases in any district in the world. Except this one.

In fact. in UK, Apple ended up being told by a judge they had to formally apologize for constantly attacking Samsung.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-to-write-apology-to-samsung-in-uk-2012-10


and what made it that much more hilarious, The judge had to make Apple re-apologize.

 

[Macbookprodude]

I hope people realize how ridiculous this is.

In Ukraine, most here use Android because its easier to use. So Ukrainians like myself support Samsung.. Apple has changed since Jobs die.

 

[cmaier]

In Ukraine, most here use Android because its easier to use. So Ukrainians like myself support Samsung.. Apple has changed since Jobs die.

Android is a lot of things, but “easier to use” than iOS? That’s a crazy assertion.
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So far, Apple hasn't won any of these copying cases in any district in the world. Except this one.

In fact. in UK, Apple ended up being told by a judge they had to formally apologize for constantly attacking Samsung.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-to-write-apology-to-samsung-in-uk-2012-10


and what made it that much more hilarious, The judge had to make Apple re-apologize.

Apple won in Korea (Samsung found to infringe bounce back utility patent).
Apple won in Germany, resulting in a ban on galaxy tab.
Apple won in Netherlands on two patents and Samsung had three phones banned.

That’s a lot of winning for a company that hasn’t won.

 

[Jsameds]

iPhone X is pretty much a duplicate of the S8 series as one example.

Adding video recording to the iPhone copied Samsung doing it on their smartphones first.

Hahhaha is that it? You’re comparing the practical carbon copy of the original iPhone to this?

Give me a break!

 

[groadyho]

Android is a lot of things, but “easier to use” than iOS? That’s a crazy assertion.
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Apple won in Korea (Samsung found to infringe bounce back utility patent).
Apple won in Germany, resulting in a ban on galaxy tab.
Apple won in Netherlands on two patents and Samsung had three phones banned.

That’s a lot of winning for a company that hasn’t won.

Actually, Android is easier these days. Iphone seems to have extra steps to do anything.
Also didn't some facilities that made Apple parts have to put up safety nets because people were jumping out windows due to slave labor? Or was that a myth?

 

[Jsameds]

Actually, Android is easier these days. Iphone seems to have extra steps to do anything.
Also didn't some facilities that made Apple parts have to put up safety nets because people were jumping out windows due to slave labor? Or was that a myth?

It was a truth blown out of proportion and unfairly attributed to Apple.

- Suicide rate at Foxconn is 10% of the national average

- Other companies products were made in the same place but seldom got a mention

- Apple were the only ones to actually try to improve conditions there but were the only ones being blamed.

The whole thing was a sham.

 

[T-R-S]

So Apple don't use Slave Labour ?????

BBC Panorama Apple's Broken Promises

Thanks for posting old and outdated information
That video is 5 years old
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/16/apple-clear-leader-conflict-free-minerals/

My wife works for Apple in the Supplier Responsibility department - Apple is mandated by the Dodd Frank act to have verifiable and fully audited conflict free supply chain

 

[Guy Clark]

Apple were the only ones to actually try to improve conditions

So that in itself is an admission that those conditions in the workplace do exist.
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Other companies products were made in the same place

Does that make it acceptable then for Apple to manufacture their products in those conditions then?

 

[Jsameds]

So that in itself is an admission that those conditions in the workplace do exist.
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Does that make it acceptable then for Apple to manufacture their products in those conditions then?

Course they do, it's China.

Stop avoiding my question.

What have Apple copied from Samsung? This is the third time I’ve asked now, getting a little bored here.

 

[Klyster]

Stop avoiding my question.

What have Apple copied from Samsung? This is the third time I’ve asked now, getting a little bored here.

Not Samsung per se but from Android:
notifications
screen mirroring
large screen
minimal bezels
no home button
high resolution displays
face unlock
wireless charging
water resistance
fast charging
stereo speakers
raise to wake
tap to wake
widgets
swype
third party keyboards,
finger print scanner

Samsung specific things would be:
the smartwatch
the heart rate sensor
the s-pen
the phablet form factor

I'm sure there a heap more and I'm sure there's a heap that's been copied from Apple too.

 

[slimtastic]

In Ukraine, most here use Android because its easier to use. So Ukrainians like myself support Samsung.. Apple has changed since Jobs die.

Doesn't excuse Samsung for their petty ads and this lawsuit lol

 

[Jsameds]

Not Samsung per se

Well, there you have it. OP explicitly said Samsung.

 

[Klyster]

Well, there you have it. OP explicitly said Samsung.

Samsung specific things would be:
the smartwatch
the heart rate sensor
the s-pen
the phablet form factor


I'm sure there a heap more and I'm sure there's a heap that's been copied from Apple too.

 

[decafjava]

Not Samsung per se but from Android:
notifications
screen mirroring
large screen
minimal bezels
no home button
high resolution displays
face unlock
wireless charging
water resistance
fast charging
stereo speakers
raise to wake
tap to wake
widgets
swype
third party keyboards,
finger print scanner

Samsung specific things would be:
the smartwatch
the heart rate sensor
the s-pen
the phablet form factor

I'm sure there a heap more and I'm sure there's a heap that's been copied from Apple too.

How many android users actually have these innovations given the low rate of new OS update adoption.

 

[Jsameds]

Samsung specific things would be:
the smartwatch
the heart rate sensor
the s-pen
the phablet form factor


I'm sure there a heap more and I'm sure there's a heap that's been copied from Apple too.

These aren't direct copies of entire products as is the subject matter of the topic.

Also Samsung weren't the first to do any of those either. Even Apple had the phablet sized Newton with a stylus in the 1990's so that's two down straight away.

Heart rate sensor - Samsung didn't have this first and Apple didn't copy Samsung's version of it.

And "the smartwatch" lol. The Apple Watch looks and behaves nothing like Sammys offerings so again, not a copy.

I'm not sure people understand what "copying" is ITT.

 

[TaviDuprix]

You just have terrible business acumen if you think arguments like these should drive strategy decisions. Samsung and Apple are business partners with mutual respect, most likely. Apple is just eating their lunch at the moment.

I think what you are failing to realize is that there is nothing more important to technology companies than IP. Certainly Apple has done a great job at building a ecosystem that buffers against any one IP being overly important. I suppose this could be considered a moat according to Buffett. Nonetheless, just because Apple is valued at nearly $1T and they are raking in the profits, that doesn't mean you overlook downright theft. Totally different industry but look at Sears. Once a behemoth but the failure to protect their business has them all but bankrupt. If you don't think this can happen to APPL, you are sorely mistaken. That is why protecting IP and showing the broader technology community you are willing to take a scorched earth position is very important. And Apple will expand their component production into new areas. That is a foregone conclusion. That and services are the easiest way to grow their bottom line. It is only a question of how rapidly those changes will come.

 

[Klyster]

These aren't direct copies of entire products as is the subject matter of the topic.

Also Samsung weren't the first to do any of those either. Even Apple had the phablet sized Newton with a stylus in the 1990's so that's two down straight away.

Heart rate sensor - Samsung didn't have this first and Apple didn't copy Samsung's version of it.

And "the smartwatch" lol. The Apple Watch looks and behaves nothing like Sammys offerings so again, not a copy.

I'm not sure people understand what "copying" is ITT.

Apple didn't have a smartphone first and Samsung had prototypes that predated the Iphone that looked similar but that's conveniently forgotten about.

Or are we talking slide to unlock and rounded corners?


The apple watch does kinda look similar the the original gear, rectangle shaped, samsung had made a few watches by that point.
If they weren't similar, neither were the iphone and Galaxy.

The Newton had stylus, the s-pen is nothing alike except maybe the stick element.
The Newton was not a smartphone.
As for phablet size, the newton couldn't have been anything but, they would have loved to have made it small but it was a victim of the decade it was made in.
Fast forward to when Samsung made the Note, Dell actually made the 5" phone first but Samsung made it ubiquitous, and Apple jumped on the bandwagon, hence copied.

As for heart rate monitors on a smart watch, or smartphone for that matter, who did it first?

Show a direct copy from Samsung then?
I bet I can show the differences you're applying.

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How many android users actually have these innovations given the low rate of new OS update adoption.

A lot of Samsung users do..