Samsung Demands Another Retrial, Says 'No Reasonable Jury' Could Have Sided With Apple

[Markoth]

But any jury who agrees with Samsung would be beyond reproach, eminently reasonable, right?

Samsung, as a company, is used to the rampant corruption in South Korea, where big corporations almost always get their way, in the courts and in politics. In South Korea, they would probably have been able to bribe the judge. Who knows, they may have attempted to bribe a judge or two during these proceedings.

 

[adnbek]

Why Apple is picking on the little guy? Why don't they sue Google and their Android OS?
What Apple is afraid of? Or are they just bullies?

“The little guy”?

 

[AZhappyjack]

Why Apple is picking on the little guy? Why don't they sue Google and their Android OS?
What Apple is afraid of? Or are they just bullies?

LOL. You cannot be serious.

 

[rjp1]

Samsung, you had a PDF document specifically made to show the design team how to copy the iPhone. How could anyone side with Samsung on this?

Link to the PDF?

 

[sentiblue]

So I guess everyone has the right to appeal... but so many times which makes me think: Isn't there a process where the judge says "This is final, you can't appeal anymore"?

Because all Samsung has to do is keep on appealing until another 3 decades... when 500M is no longer that big anymore. Isn't there a way to stop this retrial process from happening again and again?

 

[scrapesleon]

I didn’t know you could do a 3rd retrial

 

[Juan007]

The jury has spoken, Samsung needs to pay up.

 

[Baymowe335]

And what do you base this statement on? The iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus use LCD supplied from other companies and neither is sitting on shelves indefinitely. But I guess good leadership allows everyone to steal from you without any form of real retribution. Am I right? Or is it that you would rather spend millions of dollars on further legal battles to where even if they were to garner the money due them it just goes in the pockets of lawyers?

I will entertain the idea that another option they have is to simply pour more money in R&D for creating their own displays (as has been rumored) and just cut them out for good. Apple's business means more to Samsung than this piddly $500 million or what damage pulling out would mean to Apple.

You just have terrible business acumen if you think arguments like these should drive strategy decisions. Samsung and Apple are business partners with mutual respect, most likely. Apple is just eating their lunch at the moment.

Apple will cut out Samsung when it makes sense for Apple to do it, period. The supplier relationship has been profitable for both sides and works for Apple. Apple doesn’t want to make all their own components. Hardware manufacturing is a tough game and Apple knows this.
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The only reason Samsung still exists today, the only reason they haven't become another Nokia or RIM, is that they stole the iPhone design AND Steve Jobs died before he could finish his "thermonuclear war". If SJ were alive today, Samsung would be bankrupt and Apple's market cap would be double or more.

Samsung literally stole tens of billions of dollars from Apple, they are getting off paying pennies on the dollar.

I agree Samsung stole from Apple, but Samsung wouldn’t be bankrupt and Apple wouldn’t be worth double today. That’s almost $2T. Apple is already worth more than double what it was when Jobs was alive.

Apple and Cook have done a fantastic job since Steve’s death.

 

[coolfactor]

How many times have Apple copied Samsung? Many I would have thought as Samsung come out with new tech before Apple do
https://news.softpedia.com/news/how-apple-copied-samsung-and-android-in-ios-11-video-516404.shtml

You chose a very poor article to back up your position. That author is clueless when talking about the feature comparisons.

And this whole "Apple vs Android" argument is silly. Of course ideas will be inspired by each other, since each operating system is now quite mature. Evolution is natural, and developers around the world come up with the same ideas naturally. It's not like Apple is looking at Samsung or Android and going "hey, that's a good idea, let's do that!". No, instead they are observing how iOS itself it being used and solving usability problems. If Android had come up with that same idea earlier, it doesn't make it better per-se. Just looking at those screenshot comparisons makes me want to choose iOS anyway, simply because of the tasteful design.

But this lawsuit is about the FIRST iPhone and how Samsung directly tried to copy it. That's a fair case to put before the courts.
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The only reason Samsung still exists today, the only reason they haven't become another Nokia or RIM, is that they stole the iPhone design AND Steve Jobs died before he could finish his "thermonuclear war". If SJ were alive today, Samsung would be bankrupt and Apple's market cap would be double or more.

Samsung literally stole tens of billions of dollars from Apple, they are getting off paying pennies on the dollar.

Samsung has its fingers in a LOT of different pies. Samsung Mobile is just one of their businesses. I'll never happily purchase a product that's made and branded by Samsung, even if some of their stuff is decent. It's their business practices that I detest to the bone.

 

[Plutonius]

Typical Samsung.

Hopefully the appeal is not granted and this finally ends.

 

[cmaier]

Link to the PDF?

http://bgr.com/2012/08/08/apple-samsung-patent-lawsuit-internal-report-copy-iphone/

 

[maxfromdenmark]

No one doubts Samsung stole the design. Just pay it and move on.

 

[Brandhouse]

Sounds like 'Days of our lives' on repeat.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Apple and Cook have done a fantastic job since Steve’s death.

They've done well financially... but their products are stale and lack innovation.

 

[thepixelpusher]

And yet they did side with Apple. Just pay the amount already and move on.

Yup, 539 million!? Samsung can make that up in 1 order from Apple by raising the price of display screens for iPhones. Really this story is irrelevant.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

they didn't side with apple they simply figure out that you are guilty, but that is bad tragedy, maybe the jury got free iPhones or iPads, give me a break, did you tried offering them tablets and they turned you down, can bill Cosby do the something, say they side with the "victims' I want another trial, pay up dude

I just order 2 more Samsung 970 pro, now I have 4, so you are getting money pay the debt and move on

 

[DeathChill]

Samsung, as a company, is used to the rampant corruption in South Korea, where big corporations almost always get their way, in the courts and in politics. In South Korea, they would probably have been able to bribe the judge. Who knows, they may have attempted to bribe a judge or two during these proceedings.

Is there a place where big corporations don't get their way in politics and court? I want to live there.

 

[trifid]

Why doesn't Apple sue Google?

Look at Google Pixel:

Rounded corners, colorful icons, ugly bezels.

Someone explain please?

 

[Baymowe335]

They've done well financially... but their products are stale and lack innovation.

Flat out wrong. Don’t confuse things you want not being available as a lack of innovation.

I’ve listed ways Apple has innovated and it’s obvious if you’re paying attention. The fact there is no new Mac Mini doesn’t mean Apple has failed to innovate.

Btw, great sales confirm the strategy works And people love the products, in record numbers. Why would they change it? The numbers are insane, period.
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Why doesn't Apple sue Google?

Look at Google Pixel:

Rounded corners, colorful icons, ugly bezels.

Someone explain please?

Pretty much every modern smartphone did copy the original iPhone and the entire Android OS is a copy of iOS. Jobs was right.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Flat out wrong. Don’t confuse things you want not being available as a lack of innovation.

I’ve listed ways Apple has innovated and it’s obvious if you’re paying attention. The fact there is no new Mac Mini doesn’t mean Apple has failed to innovate.

Btw, great sales confirm the strategy works And people love the products, in record numbers. Why would they change it? The numbers are insane, period.

Not necessarily... people tend to look first to a product that they've previously used... Apple users tend to look to Apple when it's time to upgrade... Pixel users look at Pixel, Samsung users look at Samsung...

All of Apple's designs are dated...and lack innovation... Cook and Ive and company are obsessed with "thin" and because of that we get the clusterxxxk that is the butterfly switch keyboard and the plethora of problems that it brings to the game. Schiller stands on stage and barks "can't innovate, my @$$", and they give us a trash can Mac Pro that, quite literally is lacking in so many ways... Apple's innovation is to give us thin crap with soldered RAM and SSDs...

And FWIW, I have been a huge Apple fan for years... still own a lot of what they make... but they are far from innovative and consumer facing... more like Cook, Ive and company facing...

 

[JimmyHook]

Conversation between an iPhone X user and Samsung Galaxy S8 user

iPhone user: The new iPhone X is now out
Galaxy user: Oh ok what's new?

iPhone user: It's got facial recognition
Galaxy user: We've had that for four years. What else is new?

iPhone user: it's got wireless charging
Galaxy user: We've had that for the last two years. What else is new?

iPhone user: It's got water resistance
Galaxy user: We've had that for the last three years. What else is new?

iPhone user: It has the best display available
Galaxy user: The screen is supplied by Samsung....

iPhone user: What am I paying all this money for then?
Galaxy user: To fund Apple's drive to catch up with Samsung.

Your 4 years of facial recognition could be fooled by a Polaroid of your face. Most pathetic attempt at security in the history of technology.

This failure, along with many others (TouchWiz is a complete joke), makes them the laughing stock of the world.

They should be banned from the US entirely.

 

[Cankoda]

This lawsuit was ridiculous from day 1. Apple's demands are ridiculous, Apple's claims are ridiculous, especially since none of the companies involved have lost any money over the activity of the other. Only the lawsuit from Oracle against Google because of Java is even more ridiculous. But well, in a world in which intellectual property are more important than anything, this is not surprising, it doesn't help the competition though.

How the heck are apple’s demands ridiculous? There are literal design leaks from Samsung that outline how to copy the iPhone apperently, and have you seen the two devices, they’re almost identical. Plus how can you honestly think Apple did not loose money from this? The Galaxy was literally made to compete with the iPhone, and competition is literally to take customers and money away from you competitor. The galaxy looks like it was designed to look like an iPhone, probably sold at a cheaper price to intice customers to buy their product instead. Sumsungs products have definitely changed, but there almost no doubt in my mind they made that first device to look like and iPhone completely on purpose to steal the iPhones profits

 

[usarioclave]

In many Asian societies, the whole idea of intellectual property doesn't exist. That's really the main disconnect between Samsung and Apple. In addition, in Asia the powerful tend to do what they want. Nobody's going to go to jail in Asia for an IP violation. Bribery, on the other hand, is what got the Samsung guy put away.

 

[zeromeus]

Cry baby... pay up and do your own research and development.

 

[macfacts]

So I guess everyone has the right to appeal... but so many times which makes me think: Isn't there a process where the judge says "This is final, you can't appeal anymore"?

Because all Samsung has to do is keep on appealing until another 3 decades... when 500M is no longer that big anymore. Isn't there a way to stop this retrial process from happening again and again?

Apple's lawyers are idiots for letting Samsung keep appealing. Tim needs to hire better lawyers.