Here in the Netherlands you'll see far more S7 edge then iPhone 6 (S and S plus). Youngsters allmost all have Samsung device because they're 'cooler' then Apple these days. It's sad to see it but it's true. I think I can speak for whole Europe.
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Here in the Netherlands you'll see far more S7 edge then iPhone 6 (S and S plus). Youngsters allmost all have Samsung device because they're 'cooler' then Apple these days. It's sad to see it but it's true. I think I can speak for whole Europe.
Apple can say better than I can. From the 2015 10K filing (emphasis mine):
"Revenue Recognition
The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title, risk of loss and rewards of ownership have been transferred. For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit."
Apple primarily sells to vendors, not to us. I agree that shipped and sold should not be interchangeable. In defense of Apple, they're not using it interchangeably. They are reporting units that have been sold to their customers (AT&T, Verizon, Best Buy, Walmart, etc). A lot of us make the mistake of assuming we are the customer being referenced, perpetuating the myth.
Curiosity lead me to see what Samsung says about sales. Pretty darn similar regarding sale of goods:
"Sales of products and merchandise are recognized upon delivery when the significant risks and rewards of ownership of goods have transferred to the buyer."
Tangent: During my cursory glance at Samsung something stood out. I only looked at Samsung Electronics and that division of Samsung is a monstrous behemoth. I knew it was a large corporation, but sweet Jeebus. They must literally own S. Korea.
Here everyone has lower model samsungs. People are all pay as you go phone service and you never see anything as small as a 4" at all. There are blu's also and some motorola's but mostly samsung's.
Samsung doesn't report the numbers to not break this BS "market studies" are that work in their favor.
Breaking the iPhone per model, yes, that would help the competition, and won't help the investor, they don't care if you buy a rose gold 6S plus or what, they just want the bottom line and that's it.
Wish Apple did that too
But Samsung S7 edge beats iPhone on almost every aspect. Its the phone to beat right now. If you don't believe me read the reviews of consumers or tech sites. If you still don't believe it... Put your iPhone next to it. It really looks outdated. And if your friend would let you play with the S7 you're lying if you won't say it's not true.I really hope the tide will turn with the iPhone 7. But when Samsung introduces its foldable S8 next year the iPhone 8 needs better be more then very good.
Don't forget that a lot of the inside of your iPhone is actually coming from Samsung
According to the majority of credible reviews, the Samsung Galaxy S7 has been judged to be the "best" smartphone on the market. You can say that these judgments are subjective and you would be right, but I'm referring to the opinion of the majority. I'm not referring to sales. However, eventually the better product if supported properly prevails and Apple needs to take note.
Investors don't care about sales numbers. They care about the reported revenue from the sales.
I.e. Apple's sales numbers can be up, but if their ASP is down, they can have less revenue than the year before.
Gear VR.
Being a VR Entusiast, (I already own a Vive), that ALONE is almost tempting me to switch.
(and I've been an Apple advocate since 1989)
Combine that with the fact that you cannot even purchase a VR Capable Apple Computer at any price, I'm
kind of having to re-think my whole "electronic" strategy these days.
Word from Apple?
Nil.
While I understand that "secrecy" has always been a tenant of Apples marketing plan, it's time to throw a dog a bone and at least give out a few hints about some basic long term strategies.
Some good fun stuff is here now, and more on the horizon.
And as we see, others WILL rush to fill the void.
WRC
Being a VR Entusiast, (I already own a Vive), that ALONE is almost tempting me to switch.
(and I've been an Apple advocate since 1989)
Combine that with the fact that you cannot even purchase a VR Capable Apple Computer at any price, I'm
kind of having to re-think my whole "electronic" strategy these days.
Word from Apple?
Nil.
While I understand that "secrecy" has always been a tenant of Apples marketing plan, it's time to throw a dog a bone and at least give out a few hints about some basic long term strategies.
Some good fun stuff is here now, and more on the horizon.
And as we see, others WILL rush to fill the void.
WRC
Lots of people here seem to forget that almost half of the inside of your beloved iPhone is actually from Samsung.
Wish Apple did that too
I really hope the tide will turn with the iPhone 7. But when Samsung introduces its foldable S8 next year the iPhone 8 needs better be more then very good.
Don't forget that a lot of the inside of your iPhone is actually coming from Samsung
I have a moto x pure and a 6s plus. I use the 6s plus daily because it fits in so well with my ipad and mac, I also like having the same apps on my ipad and phone. If not for that I actually like the pure better in several ways. I don't see dumping the ipad for an android tablet though.
It's Apple’s ecosystem where you're in and that's good. But for newcomers the iPhone alone doesn't have very compelling reasons to buy.
Is that so?
Then why IDC makes these studies? Are they for Apple or Samsung? Are they only for discussion in online forums?
If investors only cared about the bottom line, then Apple would be a $1T company and IDC wouldn't make these studies.
I agree. With the mac going in the direction it is now I will probably leave it first when time for another and see with ios. Apple has priced me out of their customer bast "macwise".
Same for me with no updates in the Mac line. Apple has neglected the graphics and video market for too long. I really prefer Mac OSX above Windows 10 but since Adobe creative cloud uses its own user interface which is the same on both platforms, it's like Apple is pushing their longtime users away from them and turning into a fashion brand of the computer industry.
Give them hell, Samsung.
I want to keep buying iPhones, but not if this **** goes on.
Apple needs to be shaken sense into.
Glassed Silver:mac
I want to keep buying iPhones, but not if this **** goes on.
Apple needs to be shaken sense into.
Glassed Silver:mac
In that case Apple trounces Samsung since their ASP is more than double (and in some quarters was closer to triple) that of Samsung. And Apple revenues from the iPhone are greater than the entire IM division of Samsung (which includes smartphones, feature phones, tablets and other minor stuff like telecom related equipment).
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Why would anyone wait a whole year for something they know nothing about? To me that screams of stupidity, not intelligence.
And that makes me wonder why Apple is lagging so much. With so little products to focus on they should be on top at every category they're in.
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Lol, it's like the donkey running after the carrot
We should be comparing iPhones with Samsung midrange products as they typically have more ram, more memory, higher resolution screen and novel features like expandable memory and earphone jacks!
I love the spin "while customers wait for Apple's next phone".
People are not buying a $700 Samsung Android phones just to wait around for when Apple releases their next phone. Believe it or not, Samsung actually came out with a very nice phone in the Galaxy S7 and Edge variant.
I think ALL the Apple fanbois and business analysts have to start realizing that the Apple bubble has burst, or definitely there is a large leak. Peak Apple happend in 2015, and Apple hasn't knocked it out of the park for years now, consumers are just bored of the brand.
I am not saying Apple can't bounce back, but the iPhone 7 is NOT going to be a phone that sends Apple's sales through roof again. So far it has a new camera....and....wow, that is it really. Redesigned antenna is not a "feature" worth waiting for.
Apple these days is going to have to work a little harder to impress customers, and in the meantime, competitors in phones, tablets and laptops have all outdone themselves recently vs anything Apple is putting out these days. Consumers are drifting away from Apple because Apple doesn't make the shiney baubles that keep them loyal anymore.
And will SOMEONE at APPLE wake Jony Ives the **** up and start getting him back into product design! Seriously, what has this guy designed in the last few years other than minor tweaks (re fixes) to old designs and that horrible tumor iPhone case and the iPad Pro Wang? There is no way Jony Ives is happy at Apple these days doing what he has been doing, or not doing, the last few years. Unless he is 100% absorbed in designing a new car, he must be bored stiff and just living off of a fat paycheque he has definitely not earned the last few years.
People are not buying a $700 Samsung Android phones just to wait around for when Apple releases their next phone. Believe it or not, Samsung actually came out with a very nice phone in the Galaxy S7 and Edge variant.
I think ALL the Apple fanbois and business analysts have to start realizing that the Apple bubble has burst, or definitely there is a large leak. Peak Apple happend in 2015, and Apple hasn't knocked it out of the park for years now, consumers are just bored of the brand.
I am not saying Apple can't bounce back, but the iPhone 7 is NOT going to be a phone that sends Apple's sales through roof again. So far it has a new camera....and....wow, that is it really. Redesigned antenna is not a "feature" worth waiting for.
Apple these days is going to have to work a little harder to impress customers, and in the meantime, competitors in phones, tablets and laptops have all outdone themselves recently vs anything Apple is putting out these days. Consumers are drifting away from Apple because Apple doesn't make the shiney baubles that keep them loyal anymore.
And will SOMEONE at APPLE wake Jony Ives the **** up and start getting him back into product design! Seriously, what has this guy designed in the last few years other than minor tweaks (re fixes) to old designs and that horrible tumor iPhone case and the iPad Pro Wang? There is no way Jony Ives is happy at Apple these days doing what he has been doing, or not doing, the last few years. Unless he is 100% absorbed in designing a new car, he must be bored stiff and just living off of a fat paycheque he has definitely not earned the last few years.
Apple likes to milk it to the last drop...and then some! Finally, they'll add *a* feature, give it a 'wow!' spin and herd the cattle once again!
Jony Ives is probably too busy decorating new shops and campus and designing wristbands.
[doublepost=1469729560][/doublepost]I'm wondering if the iPhone 7 will draw lines in front of their shops once it's getting released. I'm holding my breath though
Well, Operating Profit grew 57% YOY for Samsungs Mobile division according to the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36911228
But Samsung have shown that removal of the headphone socket is *not* required to make a device waterproof. This is a business decision by Apple to drive headphone sales/licencing fees (if the rumour is true...)
That won't continue if iPhone sales continue to fall significantly. Samsung must be making a decent profit on the S7.