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According to the majority of credible reviews, the Samsung Galaxy S7 has been judged to be the "best" smartphone on the market. You can say that these judgments are subjective and you would be right, but I'm referring to the opinion of the majority. I'm not referring to sales. However, eventually the better product if supported properly prevails and Apple needs to take note.

Point me to ALL those reviews then and lets see this overwhelming consensus hey.

The S7 SOLD LESS (a lot less) than the Iphone 6s during the same period of availability btw.
 
Point me to ALL those reviews then and lets see this overwhelming consensus hey.

The S7 SOLD LESS (a lot less) than the Iphone 6s during the same period of availability btw.
Or how about you do the search yourself? It's not hard to Google 'S7 Review''.That's all you need to search for. Hell, even The Verge gave the S7/S7 Edge it's highest rating for smartphones.

And it's a given that a single Android phone won't beat iPhone sales. With the competition Samsung has between other Android flagships and iPhones, their sales are still impressive.
 
Really? No idea how good this site is but found this looking for when the next Note will be launched.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...7-major-news-revealed-ahead-of-launch-results

"Overall, Samsung said that profits over the last three months hit 8.14 trillion Korean won (£5.5 billion), an increase of 1.24 trillion won (£843 million) from the same period last year.

The division responsible for smartphone sales played a key role in this increase, with its profits recorded at 4.32 trillion won (£6.35 billion).

The Korean manufacturer recorded sales of between 75.6 and 78.3 million smartphones during the quarter, including twice as many Galaxy S7 smartphones as Apple did iPhones during the past three months.

However the company was keen to point out that its many lower-cost mobile devices also contributed to these strong results, alongside the flagship Galaxy S7 and S7 edge smartphones, revealed back at Mobile World Congress in March."

Huh!!!! that doesn't even make ANY SENSE. Apple sold 41M phones and you're telling me Samsung sold 82M S7, please prove that please buddy. That's $6-7B in revenues just from S7 sales, really....
If they get Apple margins on their high end product (which is probable considering the ASP), they'd get 2-2.3$B from the S7 and $1.5B out of the rest of their $21B in revenues. That's not likely at all considering they said they may much profit out of the mid range A line phones; even Samsung is not claiming that.

Their mobile division profit were $3.82 billion in profits from $28B in revenue.

This quarter is also ALWAYS Apple's slowest (just before the release of the new phones).
 
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Right... but many (most?) of those Samsung smartphones were $100-200 smartphones.

Apple currently sells ZERO $100-200 smartphones.

So if we're gonna compare numbers of units... shouldn't they be similar units?

The Samsung Galaxy A7 costs about a third of what a 6S costs and yet has a bigger screen, higher resolution (PPI), the same memory, that is expandable, and features higher resolution cameras front and back. It also has the same ram and a bigger battery. Aside from a "flagship" OS, Apple do sell midrange phones, they just don't sell them at midrange prices.
 
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What a crock.

Next thing you'll say Toyota sells more cars than BMW, and complain that BMW is somehow failing because they're not selling anything like the Yaris, Echo or Corolla.

That is the typical off-putting elitist attitude of fanboys here, that every iPhone is a Rolls Royce & thumbing your nose at Mercedes & BMW, when in fact the Samsung Galaxy 7 could be the Benz & whatever deluxe iPhone could be the Beamer.

Nobody said Apple was failing. Seems you're a wee bit touchy/insecure about sales game when the number doesn't always fall in Apple's favour.
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No. Leapfrogging implies they are both doing the same and each takes over form the other. Samsung has never sold a smartphone that does nearly as good as the iPhone. It's not even close. Apple crushes Samsung in the high-end flagship smartphone market. Samsung crushes Apple in the low-end $100 smartphone market (because Apple doesn't sell low-end junk).

Since you sincerely believe that, you're a lost cause to me. Window for you closed. Never will be up to debate. I guess you'll be the one spinning Sept. shortcomings while Samsung continues to have things Apple will add later.

http://www.techinsider.io/samsung-galaxy-7-features-comparison-iphone-2016-2

Personally, I think you should be ashamed of your unabashed rose-colored glasses to iPhone, but since you think Samsung never has made a quality up-scale phone, I'm just shouting at the (outside) Walled Garden.... I mean, closed window. lol
 
The Samsung Galaxy A7 costs about a third of what a 6S costs and yet has a bigger screen, higher resolution (PPI), the same memory, that is expandable, and features higher resolution cameras front and back. It also has the same ram and a bigger battery. Aside from a "flagship" OS, Apple do sell midrange phones, they just don't sell them at midrange prices.

Then why are you paying 3x the money for a Galaxy S7 when Samsung sells such an amazing phone for 1/3 the price?
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That is the typical off-putting elitist attitude of fanboys here, that every iPhone is a Rolls Royce & thumbing your nose at Mercedes & BMW, when in fact the Samsung Galaxy 7 could be the Benz & whatever deluxe iPhone could be the Beamer.

Nobody said Apple was failing. Seems you're a wee bit touchy/insecure about sales game when the number doesn't always fall in Apple's favour.
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Since you sincerely believe that, you're a lost cause to me. Window for you closed. Never will be up to debate. I guess you'll be the one spinning Sept. shortcomings while Samsung continues to have things Apple will add later.

http://www.techinsider.io/samsung-galaxy-7-features-comparison-iphone-2016-2

Personally, I think you should be ashamed of your unabashed rose-colored glasses to iPhone, but since you think Samsung never has made a quality up-scale phone, I'm just shouting at the (outside) Walled Garden.... I mean, closed window. lol

Someone's a little touchy when presented with facts.

BTW, learn to read. I never said Samsung doesn't make a high-end flagship phone. I said that most of their phones are low-end devices. Which is 100% true.
 
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Bit of perspective here, in the UK, does anyone rarely pay for handsets and that includes Apple, no upfront cost. Just a 2 yr monthly fee that covers, the handset cost, and minutes and data. The end.
Is this nauseating? Or you being a bit of a drama queen?
For OP: BOGO AT&T ad for iPhone. Picl 2 phones,
You almost sound like you believe that. Almost.
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Article Title: Samsung Doubles Apple's Share of Smartphone Market as Customers Await iPhone 7
Reality: Samsung sells gazillions of low-end phones while S7 sales barely crack 25 million.

So only Apple gets to lump all their iPhone sales together from lower end to mid to high, but not competition? Yeah. Okay, there.....
 

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iPhone price is an issue, it's too expensive. Customers are paying for perfection when they buy Apple. Also not giving users a flagship 4" model is another issue. Then there's the imperfect design of the 6/6s including the protruding camera and antenna lines. These are issues that crept into the design after the very clean 4/4s and 5/5s. Perfection is Apple's point of difference. When it's not perfect, then customers go elsewhere.

It's not too expensive. The other companies aren't making any money (except Samsung). We assume phones can be sold for x, and the iPhone looks expensive by comparison.
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Here in the Netherlands you'll see far more S7 edge then iPhone 6 (S and S plus). Youngsters allmost all have Samsung device because they're 'cooler' then Apple these days. It's sad to see it but it's true. I think I can speak for whole Europe.

Well, not for the UK. (Or at least, London.) iPhones absolutely everywhere. Lots of Samsungs too, and then the odd person with another kind of phone.
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The Samsung Galaxy A7 costs about a third of what a 6S costs and yet has a bigger screen, higher resolution (PPI), the same memory, that is expandable, and features higher resolution cameras front and back. It also has the same ram and a bigger battery. Aside from a "flagship" OS, Apple do sell midrange phones, they just don't sell them at midrange prices.

Yeah and the A7 is a terrible phone. Worked with someone who had one who complained it crashed all the time, and she wish she'd bought a Galaxy.
 
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It's not too expensive. The other companies aren't making any money (except Samsung). We assume phones can be sold for x, and the iPhone looks expensive by comparison.
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Well, not for the UK. (Or at least, London.) iPhones absolutely everywhere. Lots of Samsungs too, and then the odd person with another kind of phone.
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Yeah and the A7 is a terrible phone. Worked with someone who had one who complained it crashed all the time, and she wish she'd bought a Galaxy.
If the market isn't buying iPhone it would suggest it's too expensive.
 
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Actually, more accurately, the market is buying iPhone less than it would be.

Than it would be if what? Apple sold them for less money, but didnt make any profit? That's great so who's going to pay for the design, R&D etc of future products?

Come on...
 
Than it would be if what? Apple sold them for less money, but didnt make any profit? That's great so who's going to pay for the design, R&D etc of future products?

Come on...
Apple makes tremendous profits on their devices, their $ billions revenue leaves them tremendous amounts for R & D and with a huge cash reserve leftover. Apple ain't teetering on struggle street if that's what you're suggesting if Apple sold iPhone for lower cost. Apple is acting greedily and it's affecting potential sales of product.

Steve Jobs mantra was price aggressively and go for volume. If Apple dropped the iPhone by $100 or $200, priced it aggressively, not only would they have the most revered product in more hands, they'd've a flood of new players to the Apple ecosystem, maybe leading to complementing products like Apple Watch, iPad, maybe a Mac or Apple TV, spending using Apple Pay, purchasing in iTunes and the App Store etcetera.

Sorry, on this occasion, your assertion that Apple would not make any profit doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid.
 
Than it would be if what? Apple sold them for less money, but didnt make any profit? That's great so who's going to pay for the design, R&D etc of future products?

Come on...

What design/research and development? iPhone 7 is going to be almost the same as the iPhone 6. Can't see that there are billions poured into new design/research and development here... You?
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maybe... "samsung is apple....apple is samsung."

You're half right about that, lol. About half the tech inside the iPhone is Samsung.
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Apple makes tremendous profits on their devices, their $ billions revenue leaves them tremendous amounts for R & D and with a huge cash reserve leftover. Apple ain't teetering on struggle street if that's what you're suggesting if Apple sold iPhone for lower cost. Apple is acting greedily and it's affecting potential sales of product.

Steve Jobs mantra was price aggressively and go for volume. If Apple dropped the iPhone by $100 or $200, priced it aggressively, not only would they have the most revered product in more hands, they'd've a flood of new players to the Apple ecosystem, maybe leading to complementing products like Apple Watch, iPad, maybe a Mac or Apple TV, spending using Apple Pay, purchasing in iTunes and the App Store etcetera.

Sorry, on this occasion, your assertion that Apple would not make any profit doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid.

Totally (a)greed with you. The Apple of now is about profits and not about bringing the best to their customers at a reasonable price. Time will tell... but I can predict that their prices will come down soon. Apple hasn't mentioned numbers of their foot traffic in their stores this last quarterly results if im remember right. They always did... Why not this time?

Can't see the to be released iPhone 7 draw lines at their shops either...

That Apple is 'busy' with their car project seems to me an escape from computers and phones. I think Apple will abandon that category all together by 2020. Because they seem not able to compete in the fast changing high tech.

I'm happy that Xaomi, Huawei, Samsung and others are pushing hard. Sooner or later Apple has to respond and think about customers :)
 
The Samsung Galaxy A7 costs about a third of what a 6S costs and yet has a bigger screen, higher resolution (PPI), the same memory, that is expandable, and features higher resolution cameras front and back. It also has the same ram and a bigger battery. Aside from a "flagship" OS, Apple do sell midrange phones, they just don't sell them at midrange prices.
The 6s is already quicker at common task in daily usage than the S7, but I assume it is good to have manufacturers which made phones for people who buy a spec sheet.
 
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Interesting times.

Personally, I really hope the new iPhone does badly and Android continues to surge ahead. I used to love iPhones but Apple have got too complacent. They need a sharp shock to push them to innovate harder and produce a truly amazing phone, but just tweaking the same phone year after year.
 
One of the reasons Shamesung has "sold" so many phones is because they're giving them away. I've seen so many "get a free Samsung phone" ads, it's starting to get nauseating.
I've not seen a single ad like this. Are these free phones offered by Samsung?
 
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The 6s is already quicker at common task in daily usage than the S7, but I assume it is good to have manufacturers which made phones for people who buy a spec sheet.
....and all Apple will do at the launch of 7 is illustrate how despite looking the same, the camera, the processor, and the GPU are all x% better than the 6S. Apple only approach these days is promoting specs?
 
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....and all Apple will do at the launch of 7 is illustrate how despite looking the same, the camera, the processor, and the GPU are all x% better than the 6S. Apple only approach these days is promoting specs?
If the phone is indeed faster, if the camera shoot better pictures, then it is not spec...
Instead, Samsung deliver phones with a big SoC and a lot of ram which fails to translate into improved user experience.
 
Samsung reports shipments, Apple reports sales. No telling where all those "shipments" are sitting right now.

Samsung isn't giving phones away for free. They ship them to resellers who have paid for them. The resellers then sell them to end users. Therefore, in Samsungs case, shipped is sold.

Apple on the other hand, can ship without selling. Apple has its own retail stores that they ship merchandise to. So for Apple, shipped may not equal sold.
 
Yes they should. I think the to be released iPhone 7 has nothing the competition not already having. Dual camera's. There are a lot of vendors already having that. Give me something unique and worth buying an iPhone 7. Samsung is the leader in Amoled together with LG. Apple should 've see that coming for years. Samsung also is making good camera's and as long Apple relies on tech from Samsung, they'll never be able to be better than them.

Apple is only knitting a lot of others tech together (most phone makers do) and by doing that they'll never be able to be better for long. They need to push harder with iOS to make a difference. But Huawei and Xaomi mimic the looks of iOS too. I've played with an Huawei P9 and it's like playing with the iPhone.
More release means more incremental, les substantial release, not more disruptive improvement, because R&D takes time. There is no competition "light years ahead" like some says, but only incrementally better, and I see no reason for Apple to follow the competition.
Apple had pushed capacitive screen with naturally behaving accelerated GUI,
Apple had pushed HiDPI screen
Apple had pushed login by biometry
Apple had pushed pressure sensitive interface with haptic feedback...
Despite having to rely on supplier for all of this. The drawback is that the competition take also advantage of this, so it is not a long lasting advantage while it takes year for Apple to develop. Only the first innovation, the more significant, a core component of the iPhone success granted a more substantial advantage to Apple.

The next big push can come with flexible display if done right, likely not by Apple...
 
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