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No, there were many specific allegation (for example the patent claims), and many others (trade dress) aimed at a broader range of devices. And for the claims that don't require pleading with great specificity, they did give examples.

So we agree that their lawsuit isn't "a specific claim against a specific model". ;)
 
What has apple done that is unethical?

I consider lack of hardware recalls unethical. They always try to hoard as much money as they can.

A few examples are:
1-2007 iPod Touch inverted black issue that was a HARDWARE related problem with the coating on it. Apple just released a firmware update to cover the problem by changing the gamma settings.

2-iPhone antenna issue, cheap 50 cent bumpers to cover the problem because they think everyone should just be a lab rat for them. Then their attitude that it wasn't a issue until the media exploded all over it. Then they act like children and release all those youtube videos of antenna problems with a bunch of other phones like its acceptable.

3-2007 Classic/Nano, when initially released these were the biggest pieces of crap, it was like no one even bothered to turn them on before they released it and it wasn't until 6 months later that the classic was updated enough to work decent. Some issues were:
a) unable to retain ratings if you played any games
b) extremely slow navigation (esp the classic)
c) reboot loops for some
d) coverflow as useless on the classic (though I never used it anyway)
This was actually the 1st iPod I had to take back because it was so nonfunctional, from this point on it seems quality control has taken a backseat.

iTunes 7 was ridiculous when syncing any of the 2007 devices it would randomly freeze for 2-3 seconds when you tried to transfer files and it would take forever to get them to sync because of this. Took apple 2 months to even fix it.

4-The App pack update they charged iPod touch users $20 for then barely a month later they released a update and charged $10 for it and it already included the $20 app... so essentially the early adapters paid $30 in the end.

5-Their discussion boards are heavily modded and anything negative about their products that they don't like they remove it for no reason. In otherwords, they refuse to look at the criticism with a open mind and instead try to cover it.

6-The iLounge 3rd gen shuffle review had a not recommended rating on their site and as a response apple denied them access to the next event. They are giant manipulators when it comes to 3rd party reviews of their products.

7-While I can't say if it is a music industry issue or apple trying to nickle and dime people, but I thought it was ridiculous that they were charging 30 cents to get DRM files for the early adapters like myself (I had well over 700 songs in DRM format). Essentially making people pay $1.30 for each song while if someone new came to iTunes they could get the song for $1 still. (At the beginning iTunes was still a flat $1 charge).

8-Apple has had SEVERAL display problems (the 27" iMac displays) over the years, once again they attempt to fix these issues with "firmware" updates.

It seems since around 2007 apple has just dropped the ball ethically, since they are on top in several markets they seem to have cared about nothing but getting as much money out of consumers as possible.

Sorry but that is how I view it. I think they make some amazing hardware and I own several iPods and I love every single one of them but I think Apple as a company is pretty shoddy.
 
The dates are wrong as the F700 was unveiled after Apple announced the iPhone at MacWorld in 2007

It was Released a month after macworld 07, it takes far longer then a month to copy a design and put it into mass production. Apple is in the wrong on this one. Samsung can easily say it is continuing its original design and mixing it with android.
 
F700, announced 2007 feb, released 2007, dec.
iPhone, announced 2007 jan, released 2007, june.

it's clear that the f700 is also a copycat....
For the love of.... it takes longer than 30 days to develop and bring a product to market.
NOBODY saw what the iPhone was going to look like prior to it's announcement/unveiling in Jan 2007.

A lot of people, including Apple, saw the design concepts from LG back in 2006.
At best, Samsung copied LG, not Apple.
 
F700, announced 2007 feb, released 2007, dec.
iPhone, announced 2007 jan, released 2007, june.

it's clear that the f700 is also a copycat....

The GSMArena article is wrong there. It is true that the F700 was officially "introduced in Feb 2007", but it was already shown at the IFA fair in Berlin in autumn 2006.
 
The GSMArena article is wrong there. It is true that the F700 was officially "introduced in Feb 2007", but it was already shown at the IFA fair in Berlin in autumn 2006.

So what?

No one will deny the success Apple has, yet its not good enough for this greedy CEO and company.

They are just out of control. Pure unadulterated gluttony.
 
So what?

No one will deny the success Apple has, yet its not good enough for this greedy CEO and company.

They are just out of control. Pure unadulterated gluttony.


Dude, you're just all over the place here. Your unmitigated hatred for a company has you flipping back and forth, and arguing against those who agree with you.

First of all, I think it's hilarious in and of itself that earlier in this forum you went on about how you'd rather be seen with your Galaxy S in public, because you don't want anyone to think you're a douche. Screw what other people think. If you care what others think you're just as bad as them.

But even funnier, you then come back in a later post and say that your self image is not tied to your phone. Seems completely contradictory to me. On the one hand, your are embarrassed to be seen with your iPhone. On the other, your self image is not affected by your phone. Hmmm.

Another interesting tidbit. On an earlier post you mention "this town" as NYC. Then later in another post you talk about "here" in LA and Orange County. I know you're located in the "Western Hemisphere", but you sure get around.

You're outed. You're a troll.
 
Mac lovers in Europe

Germany is a painful place to defend a patent suit.

They may have better luck there.

The U.S. is still pro MS and pro PC. I heard the people in Europe love Macs.

Ever see the movie "The Lady with the Dragon Tattoo"?

I hope the judges are Mac users!
 
Apples got to be thrilled, they got just what they wanted. A good dose of conflict and confrontation.

I truly believe Steve is addicted to chaos.

Gee, is that why their stock goes up 10 points at the end of every quarter?

I'll take the dose of conflict and confrontation with my Apple stock.

And how is your Samsung and MS stock doing?

Enough said!
 
No more samsung parts for you apple!

And no more money for Samsung!

There are tons of vendors just waiting in-line to pickup Samsung's Apple contracts.

Samsung is truly "biting the hand that feeds them!"

Samsung share holders see the writing on the wall. Samsung's calculated risk of copying Apple verbatim is not going to payoff in the long run...sell, sell, sell.
 
Several reasons. It's very fast - Mannheim is about a year, and Dusseldorf about two. You can't raise invalidity of the patent as a defense. You have to very early in the case explain your theory of non-infringement, etc. The system works very differently than the U.S.

Apple is glad it's fast! They are glad the system works very differently.

How long did the MS vs Apple and MS antitrust suits last?
 
well there you have it apple: in this day and age sueing somebody over patents who has more than you might not always be the smartest idea

fact is: between those big cooperations it has become usual practice to let a certain amount of patent abuse slide since it profits all sides if technology can be used by more, and it also helps adoptions rates (famous example: IBM and their countless PC hardware related patents)
 
I consider lack of hardware recalls unethical. They always try to hoard as much money as they can.

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It's something also not exclusive to Apple.
 
Apple is glad it's fast! They are glad the system works very differently.

How long did the MS vs Apple and MS antitrust suits last?

The patent infringement defendant is never glad to be in a fast venue. It's a huge advantage to the plaintiff. The plaintiff has a huge headstart before the suit is even filed.
 
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Apple replies. "LOL! What?"
 
um. Huh? They don't seem to be winning much in the U.S. What is the source of your conjecture?
What's so great about the rating arrows is you can tell who's got the balls to share honestly, versus the suck ups with high positive ratings for being perfect yes men.

Nothing ever improves without candid feedback. Yes men breed dysfunction and stagnation. Rock on boys..:)
 
What's so great about the rating arrows is you can tell who's got the balls to share honestly, versus the suck ups with high positive ratings for being perfect yes men.

Nothing ever improves without candid feedback. Yes men breed dysfunction and stagnation. Rock on boys..:)

Not sure which bucket you're putting me in :)
 
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