Samsung Files Patent Suits Against Apple in Korea, Japan, Germany

[santaliqueur]

Corporations are evil.

Evil? Corporations are the only reason we are able to have the internet, computers, cars, phones, televisions, movies, frozen food, high quality clothing, life saving medication, and countless other things you take for granted.

But yeah, screw those guys.

 

[ssk2]

Interesting:

Apple sues on 'look and feel', whereas Samsung sues on core technological patents. I always assume it'd be the other way around...

No-one wins here either way, its just crap for us consumers.

 

[NativeOSXboy]

It's interesting how many people blast Apple. They completely retooled the smart phone/mobile phone platform.

I really enjoy Apple products, and have since 1996. They always just work, sure the hardware at times can get dated between updates; but things still just work. Is Apple greedy? No they are like any company, they want to make a profit.

But it is not Apple's fault that so many companies are playing catch-up. Those companies that are playing catch-up are the truly greedy ones. They thought they could continue to pass off mediocre products and consumers would continue to purchase them. They spent no money on design, r and d, and many other aspects that make a product great. So they let Apple simply slide into the market and grab up market share. Ehhh...it's no conspiracy, these companies just didn't keep their eye on the ball.

Maybe some of the folks on here should be happy that Apple has become mainstream. Apple gave geeks everywhere the ability to have something in common to talk about with that hot chick at the coffee shop using an iPhone or Macbook. Sorry just trying to throw a positive in there.

 

[Bilbo63]

1) I own both.

They are rectangular and have icons on home screens.

There's only so much one can do with smart phone styling.

It's not like Apples on the verge of going out of business.

Much ado over nothing.

Like a teenage bully, Apples beyond stupid.


2) You actually believe clueless sales people?

Okay THAT is just total BS. There are other phones that do not look like iPhone clones out there.

Look at what Microsoft are doing? They are actually giving their mobile platform its own interface and it's own look. You know what? It's pretty damn good too. You don't HAVE to do things the Apple does. No, Samsung copies Apple because they're lazy and they know that they can generate sales on confusing buyers or convincing buyers that this is the same thing as an iPhone. It's so obvious.

It's fine that they want to make touchscreen phones, just create your own look and feel. Granted some of Samsung's phone are worse than others.

Blatant copying.

AND, if Apple have infringed on anyone else's patents, they should be held accountable too. That's the way that it works. Live by the sword. Die by the sword.

 

[maclaptop]

Q

Image

Tom Cruise, John Travolta & Steve Jobs at their finest.

 

[KnightWRX]

It's interesting how many people blast Apple. They completely retooled the smart phone/mobile phone platform.

Who's blasting Apple ? This shouldn't be an emotional discussion about the history of both corporations, this is about a specific case/cases. As such it should be rooted in facts and objective commentary, not in some subjective tangeant ranting like you went on.

Granted some of Samsung's phone are worse than others.

Blatant copying.

The copying isn't so blatant, and it's highly model dependant. Some biased Apple media is making it look worse than it is with cherry picked images. Here's a post where I clear up the muddied waters a bit :

Depends on which model. The AT&T/Rogers Galaxy S Captivate hardly ressembles the iPhone :

I'm also hard-pressed to see how the Nexus S comes even close :

Let's not even go there with the Epic 4G :

Yet they are all included in the complaint...

And here's one about the famous Icon grid :

I'd say even the icon grid claim is reaching. The pictures shown all show the Android application drawer. The actual home screen on Galaxy S devices, what shows up after unlocking, is not the icon grid with a dock. You have to dig into the phone to get to the grid of icons, which frankly again has been shown to be a pretty standard phone UI. Older Palm/Sony models had the "icon grid" UIs in their phones also. :

Let's face it, the "icon grid" has been a UI for quite a while now :

To claim "Blatant copying" at this point is only to get eat whatever the media is feeding you. The courts will decide how much Samsung does or doesn't infringe on Apple's various trademarks and the trade dress claims.

 

[reifer]

Even more entertaining is the fact that Apple is so arrogant they fail to realize how stupid they look.

Suing their biggest vendor.

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

Interesting view but?
Suing your supplier is tricky but,
Suing your largest customer is STUPID. Apple can likely find other sources but customers the size of Apple?
Never happen. They have a death wish.

 

[erzhik]

"...to ensure our continued innovation..."

Ripping-off other companies' UI's is "innovation" now?

Samsung is such a pathetic company. They make nice TVs but still pathetic.

what UI and what innovation? iPhone has no UI innovation. It's a grid of icons. If I draw a line on the pavement, can I patent that and call it an innovation?

Ever heard of a saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?

Cutting contract with Apple will not affect Samsung by much, yes apple sells ********* of iphones with samsung parts, but it's not like Samsung supplies parts only to Apple. Samsung supplies parts for all kind of companies, making more $ than they do from Apple.

 

[KnightWRX]

Interesting view but?
Suing your supplier is tricky but,
Suing your largest customer is STUPID. Apple can likely find other sources but customers the size of Apple?
Never happen. They have a death wish.

How is 4% of their revenue a death wish for a company that is about twice the size of Apple as far as revenue goes and has a foothold in many industries outside of Apple's circle ?

No, these are clear negotiation tactics on the part of corporations. Apple doesn't care that Samsung is suing them and will continue to source part from them and Samsung doesn't give a hoot that Apple is suing them, they will continue to sell them parts.

 

[princealfie]

Methinks that Apple just stepped into a can of worms with this lawsuit. Never bite the hands that feeds (supplies) you which is a maxim.

 

[NativeOSXboy]

Who's blasting Apple ? This shouldn't be an emotional discussion about the history of both corporations, this is about a specific case/cases. As such it should be rooted in facts and objective commentary, not in some subjective tangeant ranting like you went on.




The copying isn't so blatant, and it's highly model dependant. Some biased Apple media is making it look worse than it is with cherry picked images. Here's a post where I clear up the muddied waters a bit :




And here's one about the famous Icon grid :




To claim "Blatant copying" at this point is only to get eat whatever the media is feeding you. The courts will decide how much Samsung does or doesn't infringe on Apple's various trademarks and the trade dress claims.

Your right. I didn't see it before, I did mix up emotions in a logical argument. My bad, you make a great case.

 

[maclaptop]

Okay THAT is just total BS. There are other phones that do not look like iPhone clones out there.

It's only BS to you, I don't obsess over appearances, I buy functionality. My self image is not tied to a phone.

Yet it's Apples brilliance, that realizes the average persons low self esteem and need to be seen with cool toys.

They know that great styling causes the consumer to ignore many faults or shortcomings in the product.

That said I'm noticing an interesting trend, it's the feminization of the iPhone.

With its diminutive size and proliferation of jeweled cases, I see more women with iPhones.



Next, with Verizons excellent Droid campaign, its become the mans phone of choice.

Larger, masculine, great new apps for men, not fart apps for juveniles, the rise in Droid X phones is remarkable and highly visible here in Los Angeles and Orange County.

I know at 6'2" the larger phone is far more comfortable to hold, especially for longer calls and such.

I'm enjoying my Android phones immensely.

My Antennagate 4, not so much.

 

[Juan007]

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This is a new low for Samsung. Apple had a specific complaint about a specific device. Now Samsung replies with this patent nonsense? Really it makes Samsung look desperate and weak.

I bet one day in the near future Samsung will regret this move. Apple will source other fabs for their business. Micron, AMD's spun-off foundry, heck even Intel would probably work something out just for Intel. These American companies wouldn't steal Apple's IP.

 

[Lennholm]

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This is a new low for Samsung. Apple had a specific complaint about a specific device. Now Samsung replies with this patent nonsense? Really it makes Samsung look desperate and weak.

I bet one day in the near future Samsung will regret this move. Apple will source other fabs for their business. Micron, AMD's spun-off foundry, heck even Intel would probably work something out just for Intel. These American companies wouldn't steal Apple's IP.

Patent nonsense? Do you know what claims Samsung are making? You know, Samsung has alot of technological patents, technologies that the end user knows and cares little about.
We can all see that the Galaxy S look strikingly similar to the 3GS (both look cheap imho) but it's hard for us to see if Apple simply stole technologies from Samsung and put it under the hood)
This doesn't necessarily make Samsung look desperate and week, maybe they up til now simply didn't care that their patents were infringed upon since they felt they had a great collaboration with Apple but when Apple all of sudden decides to pull this off; no more mr nice guy.
Don't be so quick to make assumptions.

 

[maclaptop]

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1) This is a new low for Samsung. Apple had a specific complaint about a specific device. Now Samsung replies with this patent nonsense? Really it makes Samsung look desperate and weak.

2) I bet one day in the near future Samsung will regret this move. Apple will source other fabs for their business. Micron, AMD's spun-off foundry, heck even Intel would probably work something out just for Intel. These American companies wouldn't steal Apple's IP.

1) No it's not.

The world does not revolve around Apple.
In fact Jobs has made plenty of enemies that are laughing right now.

2) Not a chance in the world.

How quickly you forget that Apples the aggressor, Samsung is merely defending themselves. Anyone whos paying attention knows Apples iPhone success is massive. There's no basis for Apples petty plotting.

 

[NativeOSXboy]

It's only BS to you, I don't obsess over appearances, I buy functionality. My self image is not tied to a phone.

Yet it's Apples brilliance, that realizes the average persons low self esteem and need to be seen with cool toys.

They know that great styling causes the consumer to ignore many faults or shortcomings in the product.

That said I'm noticing an interesting trend, it's the feminization of the iPhone.

With its diminutive size and proliferation of jeweled cases, I see more women with iPhones.



Next, with Verizons excellent Droid campaign, its become the mans phone of choice.

Larger, masculine, great new apps for men, not fart apps for juveniles, the rise in Droid X phones is remarkable and highly visible here in Los Angeles and Orange County.

I know at 6'2" the larger phone is far more comfortable to hold, especially for longer calls and such.

I'm enjoying my Android phones immensely.

My Antennagate 4, not so much.

So Apple ties it's image to low self-esteem women, while Android does the same for low self-esteem men? Thats how I interpreted this argument, though, I might have completely missed the point. Mind clarifying? Basically you make it sound like you bought the Android because of how it portrays what a man's phone should be (all about image). Hey then again who doesn't buy a product based on look, feel, or functionality right?

 

[KnightWRX]

Apple had a specific complaint about a specific device.

Wait what ? Apple's complaint had multiple utility patents, design patents, trademark infringement claims and trade dress claims. That's pretty broad, not specific.

It also levied these complaints at the many different phones in the Galaxy line-up. The media is only comparing 1 model, the Vibrant/i9000. There are many models included in the complaint, including the Captivate, the Nexus S and the Epic 4G. Yet as shown on this page, you'd be hard pressed to mistake them for a 3GS like the media claims.

Apple's complaint isn't specific and it isn't about a specific model at all. That is why you guys need to look beyond the simple pictures you've seen on Apple biased media. At this point, this could go either way, could get reduced, etc..

Also, the patents Samsung is suing over are quite important as they relate to reduced power usage during data transmission, something we all know Apple values profoundly in their designs. There's 10 patents in all. Like Apple, Samsung is defending their IP. Anyway, like stated many times, this lawsuit and now the counter-suit is just a negotiation tactic by both corporations. Don't worry too much about it and don't try to get into emotional arguments over it, in the end, it doesn't concern us the consumer.

 

[NativeOSXboy]

Wait what ? Apple's complaint had multiple utility patents, design patents, trademark infringement claims and trade dress claims. That's pretty broad, not specific.

It also levied these complaints at the many different phones in the Galaxy line-up. The media is only comparing 1 model, the Vibrant/i9000. There are many models included in the complaint, including the Captivate, the Nexus S and the Epic 4G. Yet as shown on this page, you'd be hard pressed to mistake them for a 3GS like the media claims.

Apple's complaint isn't specific and it isn't about a specific model at all. That is why you guys need to look beyond the simple pictures you've seen on Apple biased media. At this point, this could go either way, could get reduced, etc..

Also, the patents Samsung is suing over are quite important as they relate to reduced power usage during data transmission, something we all know Apple values profoundly in their designs. There's 10 patents in all. Like Apple, Samsung is defending their IP. Anyway, like stated many times, this lawsuit and now the counter-suit is just a negotiation tactic by both corporations. Don't worry too much about it and don't try to get into emotional arguments over it, in the end, it doesn't concern us the consumer.

Why not just let him have his emotional argument? Why do you have to correct him or specify anything? If it doesn't concern the consumer (us), why not just let the issue be regardless of what one person or another has to say. This is a forum, a place to voice opinion, nothing more. If you wanna hear your right or you have strong arguments, okay yep.

 

[KnightWRX]

Why not just let him have his emotional argument? Why do you have to correct him or specify anything? If it doesn't concern the consumer (us), why not just let the issue be regardless of what one person or another has to say. This is a forum, a place to voice opinion, nothing more. If you wanna hear your right or you have strong arguments, okay yep.

His argument wasn't emotional, it was a statement of fact (not an opinion). It just so happens that statement wasn't actually grounded in the current situation.

 

[AppleScruff1]

If I was the judge to rule on all of this, I would disband both companies.

 

[md111]

who copies?

We design stuff for S. Interiors and other properties. In the meetings, S starts out by saying ... "We would like to be like Apple. Here are photos of Apple stores" Even there ads and posters are similar once Apple kicked off there ads.
Not to stereo type, but they are excellent copiers. Not to strong on original ideas. And they also work there ass's off. Its war to them to win at all costs.

 

[oldwatery]

"...to ensure our continued innovation..."

Ripping-off other companies' UI's is "innovation" now?

Samsung is such a pathetic company. They make nice TVs but still pathetic.

Oh please...like Apple are the shining example of integrity

 

[cmaier]

Wait what ? Apple's complaint had multiple utility patents, design patents, trademark infringement claims and trade dress claims. That's pretty broad, not specific.

No, there were many specific allegation (for example the patent claims), and many others (trade dress) aimed at a broader range of devices. And for the claims that don't require pleading with great specificity, they did give examples.

 

[iEvolution]

Two companies I really don't care for.

Apple makes some sweet hardware (hence I visit this site) but they seriously lack in the software programming and ethical department.

Samsung makes some crappy TVs (I really don't know why they have such a good reputation for TVs, I've got two of them and they look like crap in comparison to my $400 Emerson), not to mention crappy cell phones that are guaranteed to break in a year. (I've gone through three, 1st the slider started to stick, 2nd one the speaker on it broke, and the 3rd one it would double entry the 6 key when I tried to text).

Good for samsung though for trying to strike back for that ridiculous suit Apple did about the Galaxy.

 

[cmaier]

Two companies I really don't care for.

Apple makes some sweet hardware (hence I visit this site) but they seriously lack in the software programming and ethical department.

What has apple done that is unethical?