Samsung Galaxy S5 to Include Home Button with Integrated Fingerprint Sensor

[Dr McKay]

Why would you increase the resolution beyond where it is at? Should offer no visible difference and will slow down the phone.

People said 720 was too much, people especially said 1080 was pointless.

Then Motorola released the Moto X and was slandered for "only having a 720 screen".

I'll reserve judgement if a 1440 screen on a phone is pointless for me until I see one in person.

this is a pic of Motorola Atrix phone from 2011, it had fingerprint swipe. So based on logic from 90% people on this forum, apple copied motorola. Where is your god now?

Then the logic will be changed to "Apple did a better implementation, therefore they invented it"

 

[Phokus]

WOW not surprised, they copy everything else from apple why not a this too😱

The motorola atrix had a fingerprint scanner 2 years before the iphone 5s.

 

[samcraig]

Didn't kdarling point out that this by no means is "new tech" at all?

And isn't this conversation about more than "just" a fingerprint sensor?

 

[nikaru]

No.

You got it all wrong dude, that doesn't make any sense.

"The core elements of the iOS are the ones that identify how the user interact with the multi-touch device, like for example swipes for scrooling and unlocking, switching between menus and selecting different options among others. Android feels and looks like iOS, which cant be said about BB OS or Windows Mobile which are completly different even thouh there could be some similarities."

Yeah, comparing the latest Android version with the leatest iOS versión does make sense. Also, take in mind the leaked Samsung internal document that examine screen by screen all of the iOS elements and how to implement them in Android for the Samsung. Also, Google warned Samsung that the current versión of Android looks alot like iOS so Samsung should make the necesary changes to avoide lawsuits.

 

[Burger Thing]

Despite all the outcries here, who is actually surprised by the rumors? I think to many, it was quite clear that Samsung will follow Apple's Fingerprint Scanner solution. Last years dance introduction / presentation of the S4 was embarrassingly laughable, trying to create a hype for useless software gimmicks, which was a clear indication that Samsung was running out of ideas.

For the 'regulars' here, they could predict, that:

1. The GS5 will have a Fingerprint Scanner
2. Macrumors will have a baiting article about it
3. People will be upset
4. One user will come in to defend Samsung in his equally laughable quest to give 'the fanboys contra' with some pointless arguments, hinting at technological progression and unable or unwilling to see the mechanism of copying, even if it jumped up and bit him in his a**
5. Another forum member will post some pics of some unknown devices which were a total failure in the market, trying to prove that even Moses used Fingerprint Scanning Technology on his stone tablets (and convieniently ignoring the question, that if the technology was available for years, why Samsung waiting so long to have it implemented...)

Ahh... MacRumors as its finest 😛

 

[samcraig]

Why would you increase the resolution beyond where it is at? Should offer no visible difference and will slow down the phone.

Oh - so you know that the larger resolution is going to slow down the phone. And you know this because?

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Yeah, comparing the latest Android version with the leatest iOS versión does make sense. Also, take in mind the leaked Samsung internal document that examine screen by screen all of the iOS elements and how to implement them in Android for the Samsung. Also, Google warned Samsung that the current versión of Android looks alot like iOS so Samsung should make the necesary changes to evade lawsuits.

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I'm not sure you understand what that document was actually about based on that comment.

 

[Mago]

Finger Print biometric Authentication w/o passwords it's just a gimmic about security, no matter if its from Apple or Samsung.

The Difference will be when Apple or Sammy Enable both validation: Fingerprint and password, (Sure Apple first will offer that level of check, Sammy R&D dont have that sight), this will be the most secure mobile device on the world.

Then I maybe interested in FP authentication.

 

[nikaru]

Despite all the outcries here, who is actually surprised by the rumors? I think to many, it was quite clear that Samsung will follow Apple's Fingerprint Scanner solution. Last years dance introduction / presentation of the S4 was embarrassingly laughable, trying to create a hype for useless software gimmicks, which was a clear indication that Samsung was running out of ideas.

For the 'regulars' here, they could predict, that:

1. The GS5 will have a Fingerprint Scanner
2. Macrumors will have a baiting article about it
3. People will be upset
4. One user will come in to defend Samsung in his equally laughable quest to give 'the fanboys contra' with some pointless arguments, hinting at technological progression and unable or unwilling to see the mechanism of copying, even if it jumped up and bit him in his a**
5. Another forum member will post some pics of some unknown devices which were a total failure in the market, trying to prove that even Moses used Fingerprint Scanning Technology on his stone tablets (and convieniently ignoring the question, that if the technology was available for years, why Samsung waiting so long to have it implemented...)

Ahh... MacRumors as its finest 😛

The only thing inacceptable is to tolarate what Samsung is doing. Its completly normal to be upset given what is happening and no legislative measures are taken in the USA to stop it.

 

[dec.]

And isn't this conversation about more than "just" a fingerprint sensor?

Yes it is but since the article is about the fingerprint sensor, I don't see anything wrong with pointing out that this is one of many cases where the "new tech 'theory'" just does not apply. So we need to find another theory for "implementing a finger print sensor into the homebutton" 🙂 .

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For the 'regulars' here, they could predict, that:

1. The GS5 will have a Fingerprint Scanner

I agree. Many said it as soon as the iPhone 5S was released.

 

[AppleScruff1]

The only thing inacceptable is to tolarate what Samsung is doing. Its completly normal to be upset given what is happening and no legislative measures are taken in the USA to stop it.

Just a guess, but if Apple feels that Samsung has done anything even remotely illegal, they will take action at the appropriate time.

 

[vomhorizon]

Just a guess, but if Apple feels that Samsung has done anything even remotely illegal, they will take action at the appropriate time.

Incorporating a touch sensor is hardly a patent violation..Their are touch sensors all over the electronics world..Samsung just picked a technology and put it on their phone..As others have done following the 5s..Apple did not invent phone based touch sensors..but they made it WORK better then anyone else before them, and brought the benefits of a "working" sensor back to the forefront..Others have been quick to adopt, yet others did it before apple..the iPhone is the industry standard in its category, no matter what iPhone haters may claim, this is a fact..its the best selling mobile phone in the market, and what it acheives in terms of upgrades is closely watched by all OEM's and OS makers..

 

[samcraig]

and what it acheives in terms of upgrades is closely watched by all OEM's and OS makers..

I would say all mobile tech companies are watching each other. None of the companies are in some bubble and unaffected by their competition.

 

[vomhorizon]

I would say all mobile tech companies are watching each other. None of the companies are in some bubble and unaffected by their competition.

I am sure they do, but its always the leader that is followed..Which Samsung galaxy S4 feature have we seen in the 5s? Lets look back post 5s launch? Samsung quickly came out and said that they will try to introduce a 64 bit processor, and they are working on fingerprint technology..Is it just a coincidece that LG , HTC and others tried to get finger print technolgy "Back" soon after it was rumoured to be on the next iPhone (or post launch)? Apple is the market maker in this category, whether the iPhone bashers like it or not..Apple has stuck to its guns despite the competition comming up with larger and larger screens..Tim cook as constantly reiterated that untill and unless certain compromises are mitigated, apple wont look to launch larger phones..They have been critisized for well over a year now for not following the likes of samsung, LG , HTC in launcing a larger iPhone or phablet..Lets see if apple does this year, and if so what compromises in display tech etc they overcome..While apple has resisted in "being" inspired by other's hardware, other OEM have closely tried to pair their devices to what comes out of the cupertino stable..Not to say that this is the "wrong strategy" as doing what the market leader is doing, certainly does not hurt the bottom line, and saves a lot of time..Apple is constantly looking towards technologies to incorporate into its devices..however the real deal is the integration and smoothly it is integrated with the hardware-software optimization..that is much harder to do then to just put out a "feature" for the sake of it !

Just my .02 cents !

 

[samcraig]

I am sure they do, but its always the leader that is followed..Which Samsung galaxy S4 feature have we seen in the 5s? Lets look back post 5s launch? Samsung quickly came out and said that they will try to introduce a 64 bit processor, and they are working on fingerprint technology..Is it just a coincidece that LG , HTC and others tried to get finger print technolgy "Back" soon after it was rumoured to be on the next iPhone (or post launch)? Apple is the market maker in this category, whether the iPhone bashers like it or not..Apple has stuck to its guns despite the competition comming up with larger and larger screens..Tim cook as constantly reiterated that untill and unless certain compromises are mitigated, apple wont look to launch larger phones..They have been critisized for well over a year now for not following the likes of samsung, LG , HTC in launcing a larger iPhone or phablet..Lets see if apple does this year, and if so what compromises in display tech etc they overcome..While apple has resisted in "being" inspired by other's hardware, other OEM have closely tried to pair their devices to what comes out of the cupertino stable..Not to say that this is the "wrong strategy" as doing what the market leader is doing, certainly does not hurt the bottom line, and saves a lot of time..Apple is constantly looking towards technologies to incorporate into its devices..however the real deal is the integration and smoothly it is integrated with the hardware-software optimization..that is much harder to do then to just put out a "feature" for the sake of it !

Just my .02 cents !

iOS has a very different challenge when it comes to providing a similar experience on various screen sizes. That, in my opinion, along with keeping supply chain management costs at their lowest possible, is the reason Apple hasn't been "quick" to increase screen size.

 

[bsolar]

The only thing inacceptable is to tolarate what Samsung is doing. Its completly normal to be upset given what is happening and no legislative measures are taken in the USA to stop it.

Apple can always sue Samsung if it believes that Samsung's fingerprint sensor infringes Apple's Touch ID patents. Since from the article the implementation is described as completely different I doubt such a lawsuit would be successful unless the patent actually covers the abstract idea of "putting a fingerprint sensor in the home button", which should not be patentable at all.

If instead Samsung will copy the implementation itself it's another story.

 

[vomhorizon]

iOS has a very different challenge when it comes to providing a similar experience on various screen sizes. That, in my opinion, along with keeping supply chain management costs at their lowest possible, is the reason Apple hasn't been "quick" to increase screen size.

Compromises exist on all systems, their have been plenty of articles posted recently on why the entire app expereince is refined and better-looking on ios..and YES to go 4x with the current system on a 5 inch screen requires a rediculously high ppi count (522ppi). We also know that apple does not think the current AMOLED technology is best for the sort of display charecteristics it wants to present in its devices (Color rendition and what not)..High PPI LCD"s are int he works and perhaps this is a breakthrough in display tech and batter (IGZO) that apple needed...We'll see soon enough !

Supply chain again is not much of an issue as these sort of decisions are made well in advance..and given the increase demand for such phones there would be plenty of incentive for suppliers..a 5.5 apple device, would not be priced at the level of the iphone 5s..thats something that we'll also see if and when such a device does get launched..

Fact still remains, that we have seen absolutely no S4 feature being incorporated into the 5s..(nor any note family feature)..Yet OEM's all over the world are looking to peg their flagship devices with the 5s...be it in 64 bit processors, or finger print recognition..2 tone flash and what not..

 

[Ted13]

What does this have to do with their customers? Not everyone is happy with with the iPhone 5S. Is that really so hard to comprehend?

Indeed: but you would think that Samsung would want to make something that is different for those unhappy customers rather than as close to it as possible???

 

[0098386]

Unfortunately this might be the first Samsung phone I get due to Apple's resistance to fix this bug I've had for over a year. No point in owning a phone if I can't put new music on it 🙂.

 

[bsforever]

I am sure they do, but its always the leader that is followed..Which Samsung galaxy S4 feature have we seen in the 5s? Lets look back post 5s launch? Samsung quickly came out and said that they will try to introduce a 64 bit processor, and they are working on fingerprint technology..Is it just a coincidece that LG , HTC and others tried to get finger print technolgy "Back" soon after it was rumoured to be on the next iPhone (or post launch)? Apple is the market maker in this category, whether the iPhone bashers like it or not..Apple has stuck to its guns despite the competition comming up with larger and larger screens..Tim cook as constantly reiterated that untill and unless certain compromises are mitigated, apple wont look to launch larger phones..They have been critisized for well over a year now for not following the likes of samsung, LG , HTC in launcing a larger iPhone or phablet..Lets see if apple does this year, and if so what compromises in display tech etc they overcome..While apple has resisted in "being" inspired by other's hardware, other OEM have closely tried to pair their devices to what comes out of the cupertino stable..Not to say that this is the "wrong strategy" as doing what the market leader is doing, certainly does not hurt the bottom line, and saves a lot of time..Apple is constantly looking towards technologies to incorporate into its devices..however the real deal is the integration and smoothly it is integrated with the hardware-software optimization..that is much harder to do then to just put out a "feature" for the sake of it !

Just my .02 cents !

Spot on analysis.

 

[samcraig]

Compromises exist on all systems, their have been plenty of articles posted recently on why the entire app expereince is refined and better-looking on ios..and YES to go 4x with the current system on a 5 inch screen requires a rediculously high ppi count (522ppi). We also know that apple does not think the current AMOLED technology is best for the sort of display charecteristics it wants to present in its devices (Color rendition and what not)..High PPI LCD"s are int he works and perhaps this is a breakthrough in display tech and batter (IGZO) that apple needed...We'll see soon enough !

Supply chain again is not much of an issue as these sort of decisions are made well in advance..and given the increase demand for such phones there would be plenty of incentive for suppliers..a 5.5 apple device, would not be priced at the level of the iphone 5s..thats something that we'll also see if and when such a device does get launched..

Fact still remains, that we have seen absolutely no S4 feature being incorporated into the 5s..(nor any note family feature)..Yet OEM's all over the world are looking to peg their flagship devices with the 5s...be it in 64 bit processors, or finger print recognition..2 tone flash and what not..

True or not - that wasn't at all what I was referring to in regard to iOS having challenges with a larger screen size.

 

[vomhorizon]

True or not - that wasn't at all what I was referring to in regard to iOS having challenges with a larger screen size.

The problem is well known, apple dealt with it when they went from 3.5 to 4 inches..The sollutions of getting to a 4.5 or 5" form factor are also well known..Their are multiple paths apple can take to that end..3x or 4x would mean extremely high ppi LCD screens..or switching over to high ppi AMOLED screens..Apple is likely going to stick to LCD..How they acheive that could be simply bumping up, or asking developers to re-do apps.

http://www.imore.com/did-you-hear-one-about-iphone-4x-super-retina-display

http://www.imore.com/apple-ios-apps-updated-compatibility-iphone-6-wait-what

 

[jctech]

Here we go again...

Samsung with knockoff technology, when will they be unique and implement something in their products that apple doesn't already have?
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[vomhorizon]

Samsung with knockoff technology, when will they be unique and implement something in their products that apple doesn't already have?
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They have branched out to do things that apple does not do..The note family is that! Its not the best implementation in my opinion (and i have a note 3 ) but it does set them apart..

 

[jctech]

They have branched out to do things that apple does not do..The note family is that! Its not the best implementation in my opinion (and i have a note 3 ) but it does set them apart..

True, it kind of looks like an iPad mini but with phone options. I do give it to you, Samsung came out with it first.

 

[vomhorizon]

True, it kind of looks like an iPad mini but with phone options. I do give it to you, Samsung came out with it first.

Its no way like the ipad mini..It runs android, has a stylus..and offers things the ipad mini does not. It is a distinct handet different from anything apple has at the moment...i still find the implementation to be poor and i see myself using the features much less because of it (some i do not use at all)...I ended up with the note3 because it allows me to make wifi calls when traveling international (using my phone number) and that was important to my company (my phone bill was 1500$ with verizon on my 5s)..