Again missing the point. How iOS deals with objects on the screen is different than how Android does. You keep talking about the tech. And I am telling you - there's a fundamental difference in how the OS operates - regardless of screen size.
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Again missing the point. How iOS deals with objects on the screen is different than how Android does. You keep talking about the tech. And I am telling you - there's a fundamental difference in how the OS operates - regardless of screen size.
Look man, if I'm the CEO of a company and a competitor releases something radically new that essentially shapes the new way of technology, I'm going to adopt that into my products because that is what the market would want.
I give it to the iPhone for going "all touch" and inspiring devices to adopt that model, but it's not the same thing as copying. In again, it's 2014 here, no sense to talk about **** for 4+ years ago. Comparing iOS7 to Android 4.4 KitKat and tell me how you feel.
But convenience will generally win out if it works well enough and gives enough security measures to make it a deterrent. Besides perhaps carrying a fingerprint kit around with the necessary raw materials to copy them.
Wide spread use of any GUI during that period, happens regardless, and was more dependent on the dominant platforms that were few at the time. Now it seems they have gone the opposite direction with Windows 8.
Apple computers were cheaper then the PC when both first came out. They were still expensive for most people & more expensive still to upgrade. Affordability for the general public came much later.
Correct, its "inspiring" and not copying, unless a clear patent violation can be established (which was in some other ' cases' )..Same applies for touch ID..the Iphone brought the entire concept "back" to the front, by implementing it very well and showing its importance once it is implented well and functions with a high degree of speed and accuracy. Others clearly have been inspired. I hate both sides equally..ones that claim samsung is copying apple with finger print recognition (despite of using a totally different (inferior) tech) and others that claim that samsung has not been inspired by apple with touch id as fingerprint recog existed before...Lets be quite clear..Its highly unlikely that the HTC MAX, LG G2 and galaxy S5 would have had fingerprint recognition if apple had not been known to use it post authentech acquisition. Want to guess that others would move towards an increased use of saphire in their flagship devices?
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Touch ID and finger prints only provide you with a capability that makes it tough for others to figure out how to unlock your phone (those sneaky co-workers who keep looking at your pattern or 4 digit code)..If anyone knows your 4 digit code or pattern (on an android device) he/she can still unlock your device..Payments are a far more important use hear, as it will make the entire "buying" expereince faster (and more lucrative)..
So you admit my point?
The problem is that this kind of altiude of you being a CEO, kills the innovation. Who will invest milion in laboratories and studies when he can just wait someone to find the righ thing and then just make a copy for free.
Again, puting a screen with widgets on it, changing some skins and animation dosent make your operating system different from the one of the competitor. I used Android for some months (4.1.3) and personally I cant see why someone may chose it instead of iOS.
Innovation comes from ideas which get shared and improved by different parties. The CEO in question might even improve the idea or come up with a superior implementation which is good for progress and innovation. A different thing is copying the implementation details from the competitor. Note that the idea itself cannot get patent protection, but the implementation can.
I hope you realize that many of the features of the latest iOS versions come directly from ideas taken from Android and other competitors. If you consider simply implementing a competitor's idea to be wrong you should blame Apple too.
*rolls his sleeves up for another lawsuit*
Samsung brings out an ad bashing Apple's "other" features, but they still like seeing what Apple does and implements themselves
I don't get it...
I'm starting to the whole system is a marketing thing..
Samsung knows it will get sued, so they dive into the fingerprint sensor technology, head first, (since they can't swim),,,
They kick and flap their arms, then drop like a lead balloon
More and more people get in the water, only to be doing the same ...
(i could have used a better analogy, but it seemed ok at the time)
Samsung brings out an ad bashing Apple's "other" features, but they still like seeing what Apple does and implements themselves
I don't get it...
I'm starting to the whole system is a marketing thing..
Samsung knows it will get sued, so they dive into the fingerprint sensor technology, head first, (since they can't swim),,,
They kick and flap their arms, then drop like a lead balloon
More and more people get in the water, only to be doing the same ...
(i could have used a better analogy, but it seemed ok at the time)
Ever heard the saying that there is no such thing as bad publicity in marketing? Both Samsung and Apple are engaging each other with consumers at the hilt. We're the ones who will ultimately feel compelled to choose a "Side". Thus word of mouth as a campaign that'll benefit both the "Winner" and "Loser". It's so brilliant in its simplicity.
And Samsung will do it the way iPhone users wanted it done with locking apps (banking, credit card). And with Android that can be done on the OS end.
In all fairness the first smartphone I can remember with a finger print scanner was the Atrix. It worked very well.
In all fairness the first smartphone I can remember with a finger print scanner was the Atrix. It worked very well.
maybe you just didn't make it clear enough as to which side you were supporting. /Discussion over.
Because they didn't think anyone cared about it? The only reason anyone cares about it is because Apple said it is cool.
Apple doing it is not the only reason people care, but I don't think anyone can deny that it's certainly a big factor in more people suddenly paying attention to something. For examples:
- When a small company in Norway came up with an instant-on, "grandmother usable", finger-friendly, 10" tablet (the FreePad) in 2000... few paid attention to it. A decade later, the iPad repeated the core idea.
- When a Linux dev group announced plans to build a multi-touch smartphone with icons, dock, fingertip scrolling and pinch zoom... two months before the iPhone was shown off... few paid attention to the concept.
- When previous niche smartphones used all touch, or slide-to-unlock, or orientation sensors... few in the regular public paid attention to such features.
Apple also does things that no one else could get away with. Can you imagine anyone other than Apple trying to sell a glass cased phone? Madness!
But they showed that people will choose form over function. (Even though most still cover it with a protective case. Can't get sillier than that.)I always say it's like fins on cars. They too had been around for years, but it wasn't until a big name like Cadillac used them, that they became all the rage... and suddenly every car model had to have them.
The problem is that Samsung is copying ideas that took millions of dollars to research and develop. You think Apple just went oh I think it's a good idea lets just buy the technology and stick it on an iphone and see what happens. No, they spend millions of dollars of marketing and research to make sure that it's something that people will use and that it makes sense.
All Samsung does is take ideas it THINKS are good based on what Apple does.
All Samsung does is take ideas it THINKS are good based on what Apple does.
I disagree. First of all - Apple buys a lot of smaller companies and or licenses tech. Yes - they also do their own R&D. So does Samsung.
But here's something some on this forum fail to acknowledge or accept. That lots of companies spent millions upon millions in R&D/etc to get the cell phone market to where it is today. Apple has only been participating in that since 2007. I am not marginalizing their impact or contributions. But I also don't ignore the fact that Apple could not and would not ever have been able to do it without ALL of the R&D that came before them from which they benefited.
I generally agree..Even android is not a pure google product. Ultimately the "value" in respecting other's IP, spending millions upon millions to acquire it, and then taking your time to master its application is what creates a beautiful product that functions seamlessly. Thats what touch-ID is if you look at it..Apple could have simply bought rights to use some cheap technology found in abundance (Computers, cell phones and other print readers) and strapped it onto the iphone and called it a day. They chose to go the longer route and do things properly. The industry agreed that authentech's technology was ahead of the industry curve and it would take some time for competitors to make something similar or superior. Therefore, the strategic investment into authentech allowed apple to reach its ultimate goal of providing a biometric layer of security to their iDevices and in addition open up a brand-new revenue generating service - Payments!.. This is what samsung has to do if it wants to make devices that are better then apple's in my opinion (Not see what apple is doing and then try to present a similar feature after strapping on a commercial sollution to its new phone which is clearly "older" tech when it comes to finger print recognition)...The biggest issue for samsung is the control over the OS..They have "limited" control over the direction of android and I bet they hate the fact that they basically laughed at Andy Rubin when he pitched it to them before he went to google for around 50 million iirc. They did not forsee smart phones to be basically slaved to the OS they are running and as a result the quality of the user expereince having a direct correlation with the software quality it was running..As a result its IOS or ANDROID that makes or breaks the Galaxy S4/5/6 or iPhone5,6,7.. How will they enable Finger print recognition and its function within android? Will it be through TW, if so what about those looking to run their phones as stock android?..Its just dumb for the largest smartphone maker in the world not to have 100% control over its software..Some tough speaches from their leadeship have pointed to a push towards greater software productivity, but given the duopoly at the moment (and a software giant in MS is working to break into the market) its going to be tough for samsung to really come out with anything that is big enough to break their dependence on android.
Samsung Electronics' chairman, Lee Kun-hee, is calling for his company to forget its old business models and focus on a new wave of software innovation. As The Wall Street Journal reports, Lee used his annual New Year's speech to urge the company to "get rid of business models and strategies from five, ten years ago and hardware-focused ways." To achieve that, he wants the company's massive research and development centers to "work around the clock, non-stop."
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5269244/samsung-electronics-chairman-wants-focus-on-software
Smart Man this, Lee Kun, He recognizes that the performance of his phones is slaved to how android develops and that consumers will begin to ask "questions" as to why they should pay 500$+ (iphone rates) for a premium smartphone only to wait 4-5 months before receiving updates to the latest version of the software.
He sees how apple came from nowhere in 2007 and created an entire "eco-system" right underneath their noses, from the app store (which is a huge business by itself) to iTunes, to the iOS Operating system..all of which by themselves are worthy of a fortune 500 company....Its just that they are Super-late to the game, even more so than microsoft.
And it must hurt for all those companies seeing how google and apple comming in from a ZERO position in mobile phones have virtually taken the entire market over..This quote from the newly appointed MS CEO is relevant here:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2092...ya-nadellas-email-to-microsoft-employees.html
The high-tech industry is rutheless..no one cares of what you acheived in the past, only about whether you have got what it takes to survive and flourish in the present and the future. Ask RIM and Nokia
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The same thought Apple had when copying Motorolas fingerprint sensor?
I love Apple - But compare iPhone 5S and my Note 3 it's like comparing a '82 Ford to a 2014 Mercedes.
Perhaps it is because they are essentially different phones? One is your 4 inch smartphone whereas the other is a 5.7 inch phablet..Apple has never done a phablet, they may do a larger form factor and once they do a comparable form factor one can objectivly compare all parameters..The note3 is very much a niche product in smartphones unlike the iPhone and the Galaxy S4 which are more mainstream..By giving the Note a stylus and not the S4/5 even Samsung treats the 2 categories differently.
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Phablet is a term created by the media. Samsung had never referred to the Note series as any thing but phones.
Reffering to it is one thing, designing it with distinct functions and features is totaly another. Why does the Note family have a stylus and the S3/4/5 does not? One would be foolish to think that Samsung is not catering to a different demographic with the note series. Its all about providing a different expereince is it not? Else, why not give the same S-Pen expereince to the 5" S4 or the 5.2 " S5? Apple has traditionally done just one phone per year, they do not do dozens of smartphones with different expereinces..If apple does decide to do a larger form factor and do two phones (4.7, 5.6) I'm sure they'll think about providing a slightly different set of features to the larger phones..At the moment however, apple does not directly compete with the note family unless users are so flexible in their requirements that they'd ponder over a 4 inch smartphone and a 5.7 inch smartphone with a stylus..For me, If you want a stylus and want to use it the way samsung wants you to - You don't even think about the 5s..
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The point is Samsung is just a copy cat, period. They pride themselves in copying other technologies (not just Apples) and there devices should be ban. There I said it.
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