Inspiration? Yes
Copy?, nop.
And if you want to play the game, we can start to look at those features made before Android or WP.
The "x has copied y" is just a child's game
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Inspiration? Yes
Copy?, nop.
And if you want to play the game, we can start to look at those features made before Android or WP.
The "x has copied y" is just a child's game
that's the point, there's a high probability that a lot of those features were copied from android.
no, no, no, no!
it's like this: about 7 years ago the world was a happy place, tech giants were making all-touch smartphones but then a disaster happened and an all copied iphone (who copied all the key features of nokia's, samsung's & LG's smartphones) came into existence, they sold their products by heavy marketing and then sued their rivals saying that they copied the iphone.
it's funny to see that apple fans have also started to copy...
why don't you just wait and see which device will be better: the note 3 or the iphone 5s?
How will you determine which is "better"?
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Doesn't really matter what he sees since a jury saw they copied....multiple times.
Features that a smartphone has or features that are actually USABLE?
Nearly all of the "Smart-XYZ" features of the Galaxy S4 have been criticized as not working good and reliable enough to be useful.
iphone5 was the most criticized phone of the year and the same survey found out that s4 was the least criticized phone.
gimme some links where people say that the new features are not useful and aren't reliable enough.
samsung has promised an OTA update which will fix all the lags just like the last OTA update which fixed the overheating issues.
BTW, weren't you out of patience and done with the argument???
LOL, the iPhone 5 is the most criticized phone due to it being the most popular and also the target of all the Fandroids.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/07/06/apple-most-hated-smartphone/
20% of launch day conversation about the iPhone 5 was negative, 11% of the Galaxy S4 comversation.
BUT: There's a huge "crApple sux, they release teh same phone again, stupid Apple iSheep buying iPhone5" crowd but nothing even remotely similar for Samsung.
There's probably ten times the Apple hatred on Twitter than Samsung hatred, so brand criticism on Twitter isn't worth a damn...
Samsung Galaxy S4 Features:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
Techradar says "XYZ is cool" all the time, but notices how it's not working reliable and when it doesn't work, it breaks in not so great ways.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-1137602/review/10
i'll repeat, samsung has promised an OTA update which will fix all the lags just like the last OTA update which fixed the overheating issues.
they're also bringing the next-gen octa-core processor next week, which, samsung hopes will perform way better and there will be no lags.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/07/18...veil-next-generation-octa-core-soc-next-week/
BTW, weren't you out of patience and done with the argument???
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Oh, that's awesome!
When will the improved Octacore (which is actually more a kind of 4+4core) installed in sold Galaxy S4s?
And Samsung "hopes" it will perform better?
One of the best things Apple is doing is releasing a single device per year and selling it for the same price until the next generation is released.
Samsung on the other hand releases a number of similar devices, sometimes even under a same or very similar name with sometimes better and sometimes also worse performance (like the Galaxy S II Plus, which had worse performance than the regular S2).
Buy now and tomorrow, there's a new device for 50$ less and with better performance and "Now finally less lag"(TM).
1) i never said that all 8 cores work at the same time (although the chip can be programmed to do so)
2) as i said, samsung has promised an OTA update which will fix all the lags, which, will leave no need to install the 2nd Gen. octa-core chip.
3) "And Samsung "hopes" it will perform better?" why dont you wait some days and get blown away by the new record-breaking benchmark results.
4)"One of the best things Apple is doing is releasing a single device per year and selling it for the same price until the next generation is released" really? that is one of their worst things, those people are still selling the outdated, dual-core, not even 720p HD, miniature 4 inch screen iphone5 for the same price (and still they are able to make millions of people fool again and again), BTW, they sell a device for the same price for TWO years
5) samsung knows one device can not fulfill everyone's needs and that's why they release so many variants (and make their flagship phone outsell the iphone)
6) aren't discounts on the "already less expensive" phone a good thing, it attracts more customers.
BTW, weren't you out of patience and done with the argument???
1. No, it can't with normal software.
2. Samsung has promised blablabla.... You don't get any points for promises.
3. Record breaking benchmark results and still a lagging Touchwiz interface, AWESOME!
4. Well, please explain why the iPhone 5 is worse due to it having only a dualcore CPU.
Please remember, that it has almost the same or even better benchmark results (not that I would care, but you seem to prefer benchmark results over real world benefits) than the Galaxy S 3 and also much better GPU performance.
Keep in mind that the Apple's competitor to the S4 will be the iPhone 5S - you probably won't care and yell how the S4 is sooooo much faster than the iPhone 5, but that will only make you look stupid when the iPhone 5S gets released and has better GPU performance than the SGS4 and comparable CPU performance.
While Samsung has had the lead from the day the S4 was released until the release of the iPhone 5S, ~ 5 months, Apple will lead until the SGS5 is released, 7+ months.
Oh, and saying that Apple is selling the same device for the same price for TWO years is just bull....
5. Samsungs flagship phone is outselling the iPhone? Hahahaahaha^^
Oh, you mean shipments...
When Samsung is reporting sales of 5 bazillion phones in the first month or even preorders of 9 million phones (happened withthe Galaxy S3), they are meaning shipments to ISPs and shops - or in the case of the preorders, the preorders made by providers to fill their supply chain for many months!
You were always able to walk into any store from the day of the release until Samsung released their sales figures and pick a Galaxy S4 up - try that after a new iPhone is released.
That either means that Samsung is able to manufacture maaaany more devices than Apple, so that all possible demand is met - or that demand isn't as high as the numbers make you believe.
The 9 million preorders of the Galaxy S3 were not release day preorders, someone walking to a store to pick up the phone he preordered in advance or a provider sending a customer his new smartphone the day it was released - those have been preorders by stores and ISPs to make sure those stores and ISPs will have phones to sell from day 1 to day 90 or even 180.
And about me being out of patience and done with the argument: Well, this has sparked my interest.
I am totally fascinated how someone can get the facts so wrong or ignore them.
I especially like the notion that Apple is selling the same iPhone for the same price for two years, that's almost as good as Fandroids saying the iPhone can't play MP3 files two years ago, that one really made me laugh^^
1) yes it can, it'll only affect the battery life.
2) i can understand how apple fans have stopped believing in promises after the long-lost and long-forgotten promise from apple about fixing their maps app ASAP.
3) lagging touchwiz, still 1000 times better than the iOS7 (btw, most of the iOS7 features were copied from touchwiz)
4) buhahaha, hadn't laughed this much for a long time, thankyou for your "funny" facts. the dual-core chipset is worse because the less the cores the slower the task (and the clock speed is also much lower), btw, here's the new exynos chip, please dont cry after reading: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...s-5-octa-with-double-the-graphics-processing/
note 3 will go head to head with the iphone 5s and will surely offer a gazillion more features than the 5s, even the note 1 is better than the iphone 5 (in every category). samsung is, like, working two years ahead of the apple
5) the same case is with the iphone, still, s4 manages to outsell iphone5.
same here, i'm also fascinated how someone can get the facts so wrong or ignore them. it's just that they dont wanna look on the other side, the winning side.
You have absolutely no effin' clue what you're talking about!
The less cores the SLOWER the task?
Like in "a task", not "many tasks"?
The majority of applications on smartphones (and computers, too!) are not exactly optimised for multithreaded operation, so there's no sense in throwing more cores at a problem than can only be solved on a single core at a time.
One of the most widespread uses of multicore-CPUs would be converting video, that's a problem that gets solved faster the more cores are available - but even there, multicore-CPUs get replaced by performing the task on GPUs instead - or dedicated circuits in a smartphone-SoC.
So with benchmarks that use all the cores available, it's easy for the Galaxy S 3 (remember, THAT is the competitor to the iPhone 5, not the Galaxy S4) to get higher scores - but real world usage is something completely different and and there are only few situation where more cores matter.
That's also the reason why the 4+4 cores SoC of the Galaxy S4 isn't using all of the cores at the same time and even if it were possible - there's not software available that would benefit from having 8 cores available, four of them much slower than the others.
The A6 SoC has CPU cores that are improved over the ARM Cortex A9 architecture in the Galaxy S3, that's why it doesn't matter that the CPUs in the SGS3 are clocked higher.
To give an example:
Intel vs AMD.
Intel is selling the Core i5 4670K CPU with 4 cores, 4 threads and 3.4GHz clockspeed, AMD is selling the FX-8350, which has 4 modules, that is a construct that in many, but not all, situations as if it had 8 cores, that's why it can work on 8 threads simultanously.
Those cores are running at a clockspeed of 4.0 Gigahertz.
You would probably think that the FX-8350 would be much better, more cores and also 600 MHz higher clockrate!
But - Wrong!
There's something called IPC, instructions per cycle, which shows the real performance of a CPU.
At the same number of cores and the same clockrate - the CPU with higher IPC is more performant.
So even though the AMD CPU has more cores and higher clockrates, the Intel CPU is performing 16% faster in games and in applications, both are about the same speed.
But for that benchmark, the folks at Computerbase.de chose many applications that are multithreaded, if you look at applications that aren't the AMD CPU has no chance, taking more than 50% longer to convert music to MP3/AAC in iTunes for example.
EDIT:
W00t, finally benchmarks for the newest AMD FX CPU available, the FX-9590 with 4 modules/8threads and an impressive 4.7 GHz!!!
1,3GHz more than the Intel i5 4670K.
Also a full computer draws 46% more power when idle (Intel system 46W, AMD system 67W) with the FX-9590 and a ridiculous 163% more power usage under full load, Intel system 104W, AMD system 273W
).But games are still running 11% faster on the Intel CPU, applications are 11% faster on that power hungry monster from AMD (750€) than on the Intel CPU (200€).
Oh, you could also buy a Core i7 4770K instead, which has 4 cores but 8 threads and is also much cheaper, less power hungry and also faster in applications than the AMD FX.
So - clockspeed doesn't mean a damn!
That CPU also shows that there's a certain range where a CPU architecture has the best performance/W ratio - that CPU is working way beyond it, also a reason why there's often no sense in clocking a smartphone CPU to three bazillion gigahertz, because you get diminished benefits after a certain point.
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Back to smartphones:
More important than the number of cores or their clockspeed is IPC and also optimisation.
Apple is developing both the hardware and the software and they care about stuff like the performance of rendering a UI, that's why the 2007 iPhone was rendering the UI via GPU while Samsung has to promise a fix for UI lagginess on a device is so much faster than the original iPhone - but also less optimized.
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You have absolutely no effin' clue what you're talking about!
The less cores the SLOWER the task?
Like in "a task", not "many tasks"?
The majority of applications on smartphones (and computers, too!) are not exactly optimised for multithreaded operation, so there's no sense in throwing more cores at a problem than can only be solved on a single core at a time.
One of the most widespread uses of multicore-CPUs would be converting video, that's a problem that gets solved faster the more cores are available - but even there, multicore-CPUs get replaced by performing the task on GPUs instead - or dedicated circuits in a smartphone-SoC.
So with benchmarks that use all the cores available, it's easy for the Galaxy S 3 (remember, THAT is the competitor to the iPhone 5, not the Galaxy S4) to get higher scores - but real world usage is something completely different and and there are only few situation where more cores matter.
That's also the reason why the 4+4 cores SoC of the Galaxy S4 isn't using all of the cores at the same time and even if it were possible - there's not software available that would benefit from having 8 cores available, four of them much slower than the others.
The A6 SoC has CPU cores that are improved over the ARM Cortex A9 architecture in the Galaxy S3, that's why it doesn't matter that the CPUs in the SGS3 are clocked higher.
To give an example:
Intel vs AMD.
Intel is selling the Core i5 4670K CPU with 4 cores, 4 threads and 3.4GHz clockspeed, AMD is selling the FX-8350, which has 4 modules, that is a construct that in many, but not all, situations as if it had 8 cores, that's why it can work on 8 threads simultanously.
Those cores are running at a clockspeed of 4.0 Gigahertz.
You would probably think that the FX-8350 would be much better, more cores and also 600 MHz higher clockrate!
But - Wrong!
There's something called IPC, instructions per cycle, which shows the real performance of a CPU.
At the same number of cores and the same clockrate - the CPU with higher IPC is more performant.
So even though the AMD CPU has more cores and higher clockrates, the Intel CPU is performing 16% faster in games and in applications, both are about the same speed.
But for that benchmark, the folks at Computerbase.de chose many applications that are multithreaded, if you look at applications that aren't the AMD CPU has no chance, taking more than 50% longer to convert music to MP3/AAC in iTunes for example.
EDIT:
W00t, finally benchmarks for the newest AMD FX CPU available, the FX-9590 with 4 modules/8threads and an impressive 4.7 GHz!!!
1,3GHz more than the Intel i5 4670K.
Also a full computer draws 46% more power when idle (Intel system 46W, AMD system 67W) with the FX-9590 and a ridiculous 163% more power usage under full load, Intel system 104W, AMD system 273W
But games are still running 11% faster on the Intel CPU, applications are 11% faster on that power hungry monster from AMD (750€) than on the Intel CPU (200€).
Oh, you could also buy a Core i7 4770K instead, which has 4 cores but 8 threads and is also much cheaper, less power hungry and also faster in applications than the AMD FX.
So - clockspeed doesn't mean a damn!
That CPU also shows that there's a certain range where a CPU architecture has the best performance/W ratio - that CPU is working way beyond it, also a reason why there's often no sense in clocking a smartphone CPU to three bazillion gigahertz, because you get diminished benefits after a certain point.
EDIT END
Back to smartphones:
More important than the number of cores or their clockspeed is IPC and also optimisation.
Apple is developing both the hardware and the software and they care about stuff like the performance of rendering a UI, that's why the 2007 iPhone was rendering the UI via GPU while Samsung has to promise a fix for UI lagginess on a device is so much faster than the original iPhone - but also less optimized.
smartphones are for "many tasks", dozens of tasks are running in the background. always.
you didnt need to tell about PC processors, i know about them.
the thing we were talking about was smartphones.
after studying your whole novel i'd recommend you to exchange the dual-core processor in your iphone with a single core processor, clocked at, like, 100MHz, while i enjoy my QUAD-CORE note 2 (clocked at 1.6-7 GHz) and eagerly wait for the note 3 (offering 3GB RAM, improved octa-core, 13MP cam, clocked at 2.0 GHz, etc.)
oh yeah! after the release of iphone 5s and the note 3, please remind me to share some links with you comparing the miniature 5s and the beast note 3.
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Too bad it's the Galaxy S4 with the 1.5 GHz 4+4 Multicore and 2GB of RAM that has the stuttering interface, not the dualcore 1.3 GHz 1GB RAM iPhone 5^^
Oh, and reports show that stuttering isn't visible on the Google Edition Galaxy S4, so Samsung probably just sucks at software
It's not the size but what you do with it
Where is the software that would be soooo impossible on an iPhone, that is only possible to run on whatever spec-wank-phone Samsung releases?
Too bad, that every big game is released on iPhone first or well, only on iPhone.
Because only a minority of Android devices is capable of running games really good and the people who buy those devices - like your "OMG, IT GOT EIGHT COREZ!!!" Galaxy S4 are also often those who get their apps via Google: "CoolGame.apk download".
Too bad it's the Galaxy S4 with the 1.5 GHz 4+4 Multicore and 2GB of RAM that has the stuttering interface, not the dualcore 1.3 GHz 1GB RAM iPhone 5^^
Oh, and reports show that stuttering isn't visible on the Google Edition Galaxy S4, so Samsung probably just sucks at software
It's not the size but what you do with it
Where is the software that would be soooo impossible on an iPhone, that is only possible to run on whatever spec-wank-phone Samsung releases?
Too bad, that every big game is released on iPhone first or well, only on iPhone.
Because only a minority of Android devices is capable of running games really good and the people who buy those devices - like your "OMG, IT GOT EIGHT COREZ!!!" Galaxy S4 are also often those who get their apps via Google: "CoolGame.apk download".
first you say that the octa-core processor is bad then you say that the touchwiz is bad. i mean, why bash the octa-core processor if touchwiz is bad? and btw, GS4 lags because it offers a gazillion more software features than any other UI, the processor isn't able to handle all those features well enough (and that's why they have introduced a new octa-core processor and promised an OTA update for the sold s4 devices) and that's why GE GS4 runs flawlessly.
on the other hand, iOS doesn't have that many power-hungry features and tasks because of which even a dual-core proccessor can run it.
i agree with you that some major apps (not GAMES) come to the app store before the GP store but they do make their way to the GP store and that's why app store offers 900,000 apps where as the GP store offers 975,000 apps.
most of the mid-ranger(about 75-85%) and all of the high-enders are able to run all of the heavy apps, because in android world even a mid-ranger sports a better processor than the iphone 5.
beleive it or not, about 70% of the iphone owners bought it because of the brand image (not beacause of the specs and functionality)
i can help you with that:
http://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2011/11/18/the-reason-why-people-buy-iphone-information-cascades/
http://ksnvienna.com/2012/12/05/why-do-people-buy-the-iphone-5/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/13/iphone-5-caught-in-apple-world
you see, it doesn't take a genius to see....
Uhhh...you link me to opinion pieces to prove your point?
If I linked you to an article that said "I believe android users buy android because it's cheap and they can't afford iphones"would that be a valid source?
It's usually very bad style to support an argument by saying "Just google it" - because it shows you either lack the will to support it yourself, are too lazy to google it yourself and post links to credible sources - or you made something up and hope to hide that fact by asking someone to google it, knowing that he will be too lazy to do it.
And then the search you are suggesting is also so very shallow and would show results that are filled with Anti-Apple zealotry, no credible source would simply state "The iPhone is overrated", they wouldn't even do it with Blackberry or Windows Phone.
Just to kill your argument that a Google search for "iPhone overrated" is a valid source of anything or the claim that 70% of iPhone buyers bought it to show off:
Google it, google "iphone overrated" - and limit the search results to stuff that has been posted before... let's say the end of 2008.
You'll find forum posts, customer reviews (I like this one, saying how Nokia N80 is a much better phone than the iPhone 3G) or even short-sighted blabla from PCWorld like this one, stating that touchscreens are not usable for typing, recommending a Sidekick instead.
Well, we all know how that ended, with even Microsoft going all touchscreen input on their phones and even tablets - and PC World is ceasing print publication in August^^
Which is also funny, because the digital edition will be available only on iPhones, iPads, Android and Kindle Fire - all touchscreen-only.