Samsung in Talks to Settle EU Antitrust Charges Linked to Lawsuits Against Apple

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Reuters reports that Samsung is in preliminary talks with European Union regulators in order to settle antitrust charges stemming from the company's use of standards-essential patents in litigation against Apple. Samsung could have faced fines of up to $17.3 billion, but any settlement would apparently result in no fine and no admission of wrongdoing.
    Samsung has come under criticism for using standards-essential patents in litigation, as such patents are required to be licensed under reasonable terms in order to allow competitors to offer products supporting industry standards. Many regulators and observers believe that such patents should not be used to pursue injunctions preventing competitors from selling their products, even while licensing agreements have not yet been reached.

    Samsung had dropped its lawsuits against Apple back in December "in the interest of protecting consumer choice", although it was clear that the European Commission was pressuring Samsung over its use of the patents in court.

    Google's Motorola Mobility unit has come under similar scrutiny from European regulators over its use of standards-essential patents in lawsuits against Apple.

    In other Apple-Samsung patent lawsuit news, Bloomberg reports that Apple has lost its appeal in a Japanese case in which it claimed that Samsung infringed upon a patent related to synchronizing music and video data with servers. Samsung had prevailed in an initial trial back in August.

    Article Link: Samsung in Talks to Settle EU Antitrust Charges Linked to Lawsuits Against Apple
  2. Winni macrumors 68030


    Oct 15, 2008
    Let the Samsung-bashing begin in 3... 2... 1...
  3. Ileev macrumors newbie

    Jun 24, 2013
  4. iJawn108 macrumors 65816


    Apr 15, 2006
  5. ValSalva macrumors 68040


    Jun 26, 2009
    Burpelson AFB
    Messing with standards-essential patents is a real no-no. A $17 billion potential fine. Wow. :eek:
  6. Rogifan macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2011
    Hey at least it will balance out the Apple bashing. :D
  7. iAi macrumors 6502

    Sep 26, 2012
    It is just fair to bash non-Apples in this forum. It is purely phanboyism to come in here and just to annoy the Apple fans relentlessly / excessively / obsessively at their home forum. :D
  8. Rocketman macrumors 603


    If I was EU and had unilateral jurisdiction to issue fines in the tens of billions of Euros, I wouldn't even talk about settling. I would issue the fines and see what behavior changes and consider maybe moderating half of them later. What would the EU even do with a 10 billion Euro fine anyway? Not give it back to harmed vendors as it should be of course!

  9. needfx macrumors 68040


    Aug 10, 2010
    macrumors apparently
    I am not settling for anything under 12,3 billion trillion something
  10. Oletros macrumors 603


    Jul 27, 2009
    Premià de Mar
    I suppose that the fine would be after being found guilty in the trial :p
  11. Mr.damien Guest

    Samsung had dropped its lawsuits against Apple back in December "in our own interest for not losing 17 billions"

    Fixed for them
  12. Michael Goff macrumors G3

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    I sincerely hope you're missing the requisite <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags. :p
  13. Technarchy macrumors 603


    May 21, 2012
    Let the comedy ensue!

    And fwiw lots of people called it, but the samshills were out in force and said it wasn't standard essential abuse.
  14. Reason077 macrumors 68000


    Aug 14, 2007
    The European Commission does not have unilateral power to issue such fines. The can allege wrongdoing, but they must go to the court of justice and have the matter decided according to the law like everyone else.

    Believe it or not, the EU isn't some totalitarian regime - it has separate legislative and judicial branches like other democracies!
  15. lucas107 macrumors regular

    Dec 31, 2008
    Doesn't that mean that Apple is not paying to use the patent?
  16. Oletros macrumors 603


    Jul 27, 2009
    Premià de Mar
    No, SEP patents must be always paid
  17. AZREOSpecialist macrumors 68000


    Mar 15, 2009
    Huh, when I break the law I have to pay a fine and/or go to jail. I don't have the option of settling, paying no fine, and admitting no fault. It seems corporations are the new crime syndicate of the 21st century.
  18. realeric macrumors 6502a


    Jun 19, 2009
    United States
    EU antitrust commission is alive. US's is dead.
  19. Oletros macrumors 603


    Jul 27, 2009
    Premià de Mar
  20. macs4nw, Jun 25, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2013

    macs4nw macrumors 68040


    Right on cue.....

    An excellent incentive, for any company, to sit down and talk.

    Wow indeed! Makes that 1.05 Billion fine, that's yet to be adjudicated, seem like small potatoes.

    MacRumors believes in fairness..... ;)

    Translation: Our lawyers came to their senses and finally gave us some solid advice.

    Now that would have been overstepping their authority.

    Isn't that what APPLE has maintained since the beginning, that SAMSUNG was unreasonable in licensing its FRAND patents to APPLE, and also that they weren't interested in paying APPLE for the allegedly infringed upon non-FRAND patents APPLE holds?
  21. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    At my workplace, we have a very nice fridge made by Samsung. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. And it gives you cooled water and crushed ice as much as you want. Apple has nothing that competes with this.


    Not really. "Ten percent of revenue" is the upper limit - that's the number that a fine cannot possibly exceed. But apart from that, the fine must match the wrongdoing. If some wrongdoing deserved a $3 million fine, then a company with $10 million revenue would pay $1 million, while Samsung or Apple would pay the full $3 million for the same wrongdoing.
  22. FakeWozniak macrumors 6502


    Nov 8, 2007
    My take is that these are mostly NON-EU corporations. It would appear that the US's is dead, but Samsung and Apple are pretty big developers in the US.

    I do think the US government (Senate investigations, eBook, privacy, maps, etc) are trying to knock Apple off it's king of the hill position.
  23. pirg macrumors 6502a


    Apr 18, 2013
  24. j4zb4 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 15, 2011
    I remember reading something a long time back from Samsung which saisd "we will never settle"...
  25. Oletros macrumors 603


    Jul 27, 2009
    Premià de Mar
    With Apple, not with EU

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