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Very good point. Many people miss that part. I have yet to find a pair of wireless headphones that can match the quality of sound coming from my wired ones. Wireless is more convenient sure, like working out at the gym, etc., but for sitting at home and enjoying music, wired headphones are still the benchmark in my opinion.
True. However, I would say that the only times I wore headphones while sitting at home enjoying music was when I was a teenager and I was deliberately trying to isolate myself. These days I feel like listening to music should be a more inclusive thing, and I rely on speakers instead. Which in my case actually means that music is never playing on my phone at home, making the headphone jack (or lack thereof) irrelevant. Just another perspective for you.
 
If anything Apple have been borrowing much more from Samsung in recent years including major stuff like larger screens, batteries and RAM, OLED screen. Hopefully, Apple will also borrow USB-C and switchable aperture lenses. I am sure they will "borrow" 5G in 2020.
Those aren't "borrowing".
Of course users want bigger screens (to wit narrower bezels), higher capacity batteries & storage, higher resolution wider spectrum thinner brighter screens, improved cameras, and faster standardized networking.

Insofar as Samsung may be ahead of Apple, Samsung opts for bleeding edge tech and has the facilities to do it first, while Apple opts for more established solutions. Result is Samsung gets there first, but more often blunders, has rapid cycling to get past problems; Apple doesn't cycle as fast and may not bring new tech forward first, but has the influence to establish new norms.
 
My friend always needs to know when her Aunt will call her 2 hours in advance, so she can charge her iPhone 7 to have enough power for a 1 hour overseas call with headphones. Can't make a call and charge at the same time.

Stop being so dramatic. I get that some people are annoyed by the lack of the headphone jack, but she can absolutely make a call and charge at the same time. She can hold the phone to hear ear like people did for a very long time. She could use a speaker phone. If she is so bothered, she can get an adapter that will let her charge and plug in her lightening earbuds at the same time.
 
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The FCC is strongly pushing cell phone manufacturers into unlocking the FM chip that is within nearly every cell phone for emergency information in the case of natural disasters when cell service is overloaded or out of service, but a radio station might still be on the air with life saving news.

What people are missing about this is that this gives Apple and now Samsung and others an excuse to say, "Mr. FCC Chairman, we cannot enable the free FM radio. As you can see there is no headphone jack/antenna line anymore." Tim Cook himself has been caught lying about the FM chip several times and even caught by the NAB in tests of iPhones to prove him wrong to the FCC.

Obviously, the cell phone manufacturers are beholden to the carriers who do not want this FREE feature and Apple obviously sells music and doesn't want free music available.

I believe there should be a anti-trust investigation of several companies for this. Maybe the rest of the world doesn't see this as a big deal, but Americans are used to free over the air TV and AM/FM radio and more people are turning back to over the air TV of late, the so called cord-cutters. This would be the equivalent of all of the TV manufacturers only making TVs that only get Pay channels.

And finally, the question begs. What will happen when Next Generation TV that is being tested on cell phone equipment now rolls out? In America, it will also be FREE TV on a cell phone with no data charges. Will the cell phone manufacturers and carriers prevent it on their phones too? Once again, Apple has a conflict of interest in this matter too.
If President Bill Clinton can force the creation of a "V" chip in TVs, the government certainly could require all cell phones to be capable of receiving over the air radio frequencies as part of a national security measure. We all occasionally get to listen to the high pitched whine when the broadcasters test the national alert system. Hello to local commercial radio on your smartphone. I would welcome it. I might not use it but it is good to know it is there. A little like the spare tire in the truck of my car. I never think about it until I have an emergency use for it.
 
There is no hypocrisy. Its all tactical. Apple attacks others right until they do the exact same thing "better".
 
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Those aren't "borrowing".
Of course users want bigger screens (to wit narrower bezels), higher capacity batteries & storage, higher resolution wider spectrum thinner brighter screens, improved cameras, and faster standardized networking.

Insofar as Samsung may be ahead of Apple, Samsung opts for bleeding edge tech and has the facilities to do it first, while Apple opts for more established solutions. Result is Samsung gets there first, but more often blunders, has rapid cycling to get past problems; Apple doesn't cycle as fast and may not bring new tech forward first, but has the influence to establish new norms.

You are just trying to rationalize why Apple follows Samsung. Well they have to and those claiming that it's only Samsung that borrows from Apple (and sometimes they do) simply have no clue. BTW, here are a few more things Apple "borrowed" from Apple: barometer, motion coprocessor, split screen, pen support (not yet for the phones), water/dust resistance. Just imagine how iPhone would look like today if it was not for Samsung innovation.
 
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Nope, Samsung makes them to Apples specifications, not only that, Samsungs OLED displays on their own phones are oversaturated.
My Xs looks way better than any Samsung OLED.
Samsung have different settings for their display. If you prefer the colour accurate option, just change it in settings. Seems most people prefer the appearance of the vivid setting.
 
You are just trying to rationalize why Apple follows Samsung. Well they have to and those claiming that it's only Samsung that borrows from Apple (and sometimes they do) simply have no clue. BTW, here are a few more things Apple "borrowed" from Apple: barometer, motion coprocessor, split screen, pen support (not yet for the phones), water/dust resistance. Just imagine how iPhone would look like today if it was not for Samsung innovation.
It seems Samsung has done it's fair share of "borrowing" as well as most of android has borrowed these concepts as these concepts have been around before android: water resistance, wireless charging, fingerprint readers, oled, sd card; and especially android has copied elements from iphone 1. Imagine how android would look today if it weren't for apple innovation.
 
I've seen many hardware interfaces come & go, with lots of consternation each change. There's always an outcry when one is dropped, yet once assimilated people rarely pine for the past. I understand the fondness for the physical headphone jack, but having switched to AirPods for a year, have to say wireless is a vast functional improvement. Few users need the benefits of wired (superior audiophile quality); those who do should be lamenting the lameness of built-in A/DC and calling for a plug-in (or wireless!) audiophile A/DC.
 
We can stop the discussion at this point: it's been confirmed today that the S10 does come with a headphone jack and also still has a microSD slot.
The topic isn’t the S10 ... it’s that Samsung did this at all after their incessant bashing of Apple.
 
I have had an iPhone 7 for over two years now, and I still think it was asinine to remove the headphone jack in favor of the Lightning connector.

At least Samsung is using a standard port - USB-C, so one adapter (or one pair of earphones) would work with any other standards based device. Apple is now eliminating the Lightning port in favor of USB-C, so now you have to have three different ways to connect headphones to a device in the Apple ecosystem. This is just dumb and sloppy.

Lightning was a transitional connector. Everyone knew it. The standard is USB-C. Apple should have waited with removing the headphone jack until they fully transition to the standards based connector on their iPhones and iPads.

There's this amazing new thing called Bluetooth and it lets you connect your headphones without a plug.

Do you still play CD's in your car?
 
I wonder which is less distracting, a notch against the top edge, or a round hole in the corner?
Probably you quickly get used to either, but I would suspect the odd bit of light all the way around the lens might be a bit more distracting, but only a bit.
And I‘d argue that since the space to the top and left of the hole is basically useless, it doesn‘t even save much space.
 



Samsung today introduced its latest smartphone, the Galaxy A8s. It is Samsung's first smartphone with an Infinity-O display, which has a nearly edge-to-edge, uninterrupted design beyond a small hole for the front-facing camera.

galaxy-a8s.jpg

It is also Samsung's first smartphone without a headphone jack, much to the amusement of iPhone users, as Samsung has mocked Apple for over two years over its decision to remove the headphone jack from the iPhone 7 in 2016, a trend that has continued through to the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR.

samsung-galaxy-a8s.jpg

While on stage unveiling the new Galaxy Note7 in 2016, for example, Samsung executive Justin Denison made sure to point out that the device came with a headphone jack. "Want to know what else it comes with?" he asked. "An audio jack. I'm just saying," he answered, smirking as the audience laughed.

And earlier this year, Samsung mocked the iPhone X's lack of a headphone jack in one of its "Ingenius" ads promoting the Galaxy S9.


In the ad, a customer at an Apple Store asks if he can use his wired headphones with the iPhone X, and the employee informs him that he will need a dongle. The customer then inquires about charging at the same time, and the employee says he'll need another dongle. "So, a double dongle," the customer says.

To use wired headphones with the Galaxy A8s, a mid-range device for the Chinese market, users must use a USB-C to 3.5mm jack adapter.

While rumors suggest Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S10 will continue to feature a headphone jack, it could be the company's last flagship handset to have one. In October, Korean website ETNews said Samsung is considering removing the headphone jack from the Galaxy Note10 in 2019 and Galaxy S11 in 2020.

Samsung isn't the first tech giant to mock Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack, only to follow suit. Google poked fun at the iPhone 7's lack of headphone jack while unveiling its original Pixel smartphone in 2016, and then the Pixel 2 launched without one just a year later. Well, well, well. How the turntables...

Article Link: Samsung Kills Headphone Jack in Latest Smartphone After Years of Mocking Apple
Oh man that camera circle is HIDEOUS!! If people thought the notch was bad...this looks like it may actually make people nauseous to look at it. Ughhh.
 
I have had an iPhone 7 for over two years now, and I still think it was asinine to remove the headphone jack in favor of the Lightning connector.

At least Samsung is using a standard port - USB-C, so one adapter (or one pair of earphones) would work with any other standards based device. Apple is now eliminating the Lightning port in favor of USB-C, so now you have to have three different ways to connect headphones to a device in the Apple ecosystem. This is just dumb and sloppy.

Lightning was a transitional connector. Everyone knew it. The standard is USB-C. Apple should have waited with removing the headphone jack until they fully transition to the standards based connector on their iPhones and iPads.

I still want my headphone jack back but if you do a quick google on usb-c dongles its a mine field. Not all usb-c to headphone jack dongles work on all android phones, so really it is in fact way more messy on the android/usb-c front than it is on the lightening dongle front.

Also to say Apple should wait for usb-c to sort it out first wont work, if anything it was Apple's lightening reserve-able plug that got the USB to sort their crap out, have you seen the usb3 connector, its like the shape of italy.

If anything its the stupid usb-c on their own macbook pro with no way to connect your iphone to that's a brain explosion.
 



Samsung today introduced its latest smartphone, the Galaxy A8s. It is Samsung's first smartphone with an Infinity-O display, which has a nearly edge-to-edge, uninterrupted design beyond a small hole for the front-facing camera.

galaxy-a8s.jpg

It is also Samsung's first smartphone without a headphone jack, much to the amusement of iPhone users, as Samsung has mocked Apple for over two years over its decision to remove the headphone jack from the iPhone 7 in 2016, a trend that has continued through to the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR.

samsung-galaxy-a8s.jpg

While on stage unveiling the new Galaxy Note7 in 2016, for example, Samsung executive Justin Denison made sure to point out that the device came with a headphone jack. "Want to know what else it comes with?" he asked. "An audio jack. I'm just saying," he answered, smirking as the audience laughed.

And earlier this year, Samsung mocked the iPhone X's lack of a headphone jack in one of its "Ingenius" ads promoting the Galaxy S9.


In the ad, a customer at an Apple Store asks if he can use his wired headphones with the iPhone X, and the employee informs him that he will need a dongle. The customer then inquires about charging at the same time, and the employee says he'll need another dongle. "So, a double dongle," the customer says.

To use wired headphones with the Galaxy A8s, a mid-range device for the Chinese market, users must use a USB-C to 3.5mm jack adapter.

While rumors suggest Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S10 will continue to feature a headphone jack, it could be the company's last flagship handset to have one. In October, Korean website ETNews said Samsung is considering removing the headphone jack from the Galaxy Note10 in 2019 and Galaxy S11 in 2020.

Samsung isn't the first tech giant to mock Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack, only to follow suit. Google poked fun at the iPhone 7's lack of headphone jack while unveiling its original Pixel smartphone in 2016, and then the Pixel 2 launched without one just a year later. Well, well, well. How the turntables...

Article Link: Samsung Kills Headphone Jack in Latest Smartphone After Years of Mocking Apple
I've had a new iPhone every year since the 4s. I still miss the headphone jack sometimes. I have Bluetooth speakers so that is not a problem. It is just that Bluetooth is a nice addition to wired but should not be forced upon users. Bluetooth will never work as well in certain situations. And charging can be a bother. There is plenty of room to have a jack in most phones and no good reason not to. "Old technology"? Yep, Old technology that works wonderfully well. It was a dumb idea when Apple did it and it is a dumb idea for Samsung as well.
 
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