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I still want my headphone jack back but if you do a quick google on usb-c dongles its a mine field. Not all usb-c to headphone jack dongles work on all android phones, so really it is in fact way more messy on the android/usb-c front than it is on the lightening dongle front.

Also to say Apple should wait for usb-c to sort it out first wont work, if anything it was Apple's lightening reserve-able plug that got the USB to sort their crap out, have you seen the usb3 connector, its like the shape of italy.

If anything its the stupid usb-c on their own macbook pro with no way to connect your iphone to that's a brain explosion.
I will be quite surprised if next year's iPhone model isn't USB-C after they changed it on the iPad Pro. Yes, it'll suck to get new accessories, but USB-C desperately needs to happen.
 
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Your friend knew the iPhone 7 had no headphone jack though. But went ahead and bought it. Clearly wasn't that concerned.
Or they hadn't appreciated there would be an issue until it was too late.
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Not audiophile either but I did a blind test and my similarly priced BT earbuds actually sounded better to me. Even for headphones that can do both BT and wired, I can hear no difference.
But it wasn't a blind test. You would have known when you were using earbuds without leads compared to when you were using earbuds with leads.
 
I have had an iPhone 7 for over two years now, and I still think it was asinine to remove the headphone jack in favor of the Lightning connector.

At least Samsung is using a standard port - USB-C, so one adapter (or one pair of earphones) would work with any other standards based device. Apple is now eliminating the Lightning port in favor of USB-C, so now you have to have three different ways to connect headphones to a device in the Apple ecosystem. This is just dumb and sloppy.

Lightning was a transitional connector. Everyone knew it. The standard is USB-C. Apple should have waited with removing the headphone jack until they fully transition to the standards based connector on their iPhones and iPads.

Which is crazy, since if you bought the new range of 2018 products, you couldn't use the supplied EarPods on the iPad or Macs, so would need TWO different adapters. So instead you buy the 2 year old AirPods and charge it with the outdated lightning cable.

Thumbs up.
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Look, I am no big fan of Samsung, but I don't see how it is "mocking" to point out they offer something that the competitor didn't? To me it's more like "look what we offer that this certain other company don't".

It's mocking when you're on stage smirking when you're talking about it, or making ads saying how ridiculous it is to not have it, to follow suit like they were always going to.
 
Right, it’s not. The title of the article makes it seem somewhat like it is by stating “Samsung kills headphone jack in latest...”, which this phone is likely paving the way for that the ‘true flagships’ with the S10/Note 10 will also not include the 3.5 Jack either. This particular model phone is more geared towards other merging markets, but should be less of a ‘shock’ once the S10 is announced somewhere around February that it likely will not include the 3.5 Jack either.
Your post is pure speculation based on my statement of the A series being a testing ground for new features and plans. Also, why did you reiterate what I said about emerging markets? Was I not clear when I named those lower income and or emerging markets?

If the S10 is without a 3.5 mm jack, then Samsung better implement a state of the art DAC that far exceeds what LG has put into their higher end flagship phones. The removal of a jack for a mid-range Android in emerging markets isn't a smart move considering people will have to cough up extra for bluetooth headphones. A $400 phone is already a luxury item in those countries in relation to the average income.

Your post said a lot without saying anything of substance. I expected better from you, RP, since you've always had a keen eye for detail and logic that I can't say many on here display.
 
So all those people ( I see some of you in this thread) that said you would never buy an iPhone and stick with Samsung as they would not remove the headphone jack. Told me I was just a fanboy that couldn't accept Samsung was better...
Two words: LG V40 - best phone on the market for wired sound, and not too shabby with everything else. Unfortunately, no iOS.
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I've rarely used my 3.5mm jack on my main phone since getting my first set of Bluetooth headphones in 2011.
So apparently, the jack didn't interfere with your wireless experience. That's the whole point - removal wasn't necessary for Bluetooth users, but it was very critical for wired users. Conversely, I've never used bluetooth headphones and always used/use the jack. I occasionally use bluetooth speakers for mobility around the house.
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I do. Wired headphones are cheap and don’t need to be charged.
The really nice wired headphones aren't cheap at all, but wow do they make some sound when paired with some nice DAC hardware via a 3.5 MM jack.
 
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It was a matter of time. I'm not happy they did it, but realistically they weren't going to keep it around for another 10 years. I just wish they waited one more year, so that I can get the latest phone with a headphone jack in 2019 from Samsung.
 
True. However, I would say that the only times I wore headphones while sitting at home enjoying music was when I was a teenager and I was deliberately trying to isolate myself. These days I feel like listening to music should be a more inclusive thing, and I rely on speakers instead. Which in my case actually means that music is never playing on my phone at home, making the headphone jack (or lack thereof) irrelevant. Just another perspective for you.

There are endless scenarios for each person depending on needs, but no matter if I am sitting at home, on the road, in a crowd of people, or sitting by myself, if quality of sound is more important than location, wired headphones are superior sounding.

I appreciate convenience, but I have invested a fair amount in headphones, Grado being my favorite, and nothing wireless can even come close to the quality of sound of a decent pair of headphones, add a decent DAC to the equation and the conversation is over.

Overkill for a smartphone for sure, but when I had the 7 plus, my Grados still sounded very good even through a phone.
 
There's this amazing new thing called Bluetooth and it lets you connect your headphones without a plug.

Do you still play CD's in your car?
No. I have a tape deck.

Bluetooth headphones must be charged. Wired ones require no charging.
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That's a nice thought, but there is no single USB-C headphone standard, so there are in fact different implementations and compatibility issues.

Consumer Reports:

The Google Pixel 2 Headphone Conundrum

In an online post, Google noted that only headphones compatible with USB Type-C Digital Audio will work with the Pixel 2. […] Analog Type-C headphones won’t produce any sound, Google says. Instead they will prompt a smartphone notification informing you that you need different headphones. […]

How do I know whether my headphones are compatible?

For now, Google recommends that you purchase headphones certified as “Made for Google.” This program, similar to Apple’s “Made for iPhone” program, confirms that the hardware is fully compatible with the Pixel 2. As of now, only three manufacturers offer headphones that have earned that distinction: AiAiAi, Master & Dynamic, and Libratone.​


The Verge:

Buying USB-C earbuds for my Pixel 2 was incredibly annoying and expensive

Two weeks after starting my cheap Pixel 2 earbud search, I finally have a working pair — but they cost almost twice the amount I wanted to spend, and don’t feel very premium. If I lose or break them, it’ll cost me almost $50 and another 10-day wait. The next time I upgrade my phone, they may not be compatible. Even the Apple Store sells $29 Lightning EarPods. Google needs to do a lot better by its Pixel owners than a single $149 USB-C option. Even better, just give us back the damn headphone jack.​
Exactly. Just give us back the damn headphone jack.
 
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Hahahaha oh I’ve been waiting for this.

And I’d rather a notch than that hideous asymmetrical to the phone camera hole.
 
Haven't missed the headphone jack on iPhone 7 and X since release. AirPods are fantastic for day-to-day, wh-1000xm2 for travel and commute and GTK-XB5 at home. Car has bluetooth as they all do nowadays. Absolutely non-issue for majority of people.
 
Exactly. Just give us back the damn headphone jack.

Which headphone jack? TS? TRS? TRRS-a CTIA/AH? TRRRS?

Yes, there isn't even a standard for 1/8" headset jacks, which is why many headsets don't work on many smartphones, and why we have 1/8" to 1/8" adapters that just move the rings around. I have personally experienced this problem.

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Apple-Where deletion is innovation.
Apple’s competition is under no obligation to follow Apple. As pointed out especially Samsung when they spend so much time mocking Apple - so what’s the deal?

Criticism of Apple says that they’re trying to push AirPods or dongles or Airpower charge mats or something. So what’s the conspiracy here with Samsung? Surely, they’re not intentionally crippling this phone to up sell their S10, are they? And what of it if the S10 excludes the headphone jack, as well?
 
Wireless headphones suck. They're not a practical replacement for the headphone jack; garbage sound quality, limited range, ridiculous price tag, poor battery life and the inevitable death of them when the battery doesn't hold a charge anymore. They're effectively a disposable product.

I'll keep my Sennheiser headphones for years to come and not worry about having to charge.

That said; Apple's scumbag move to remove the port was based on lies. The competition just got as bad as them. Screw them all.
 
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Money is the only reason


All others fanboys can think of = BS

I bought the Airpods while I was still using my 6S+. My adaptor is still sitting untouched in its original packaging. Apple hasn’t earned an extra cent more than what they would otherwise have.
 
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Wireless headphones suck. They're not a practical replacement for the headphone jack; garbage sound quality, limited range, ridiculous price tag, poor battery life and the inevitable death of them when the battery doesn't hold a charge anymore. They're effectively a disposable product.
That's one opinion. Here's another: I have been very satisfied with my Bose QC35 headphones. Great sound quality with noise cancellation, great range, good value for the price, great battery life and the ability to use a wired jack, if desired. Every electronic device is essentially disposable at some point, but not all of us hate wireless headphones. I hate wires much more, and keep hoping for the day when there's wireless power and connectivity for everything.
 
That's one opinion. Here's another: I have been very satisfied with my Bose QC35 headphones. Great sound quality with noise cancellation, great range, good value for the price, great battery life and the ability to use a wired jack, if desired. Every electronic device is essentially disposable at some point, but not all of us hate wireless headphones. I hate wires much more, and keep hoping for the day when there's wireless power and connectivity for everything.

So what? You had wireless on the iPhone for years. The headphone jack never has and never will hold you back from using wireless.
 
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So what? You had wireless on the iPhone for years. The headphone jack never has and never will hold you back from using wireless.
If you read carefully, you'll see my post was a direct response to the quoted post that claimed that wireless headphones suck. My post had nothing to do with the availability of wireless or headphone jacks on iPhones or any other devices. So what's your point?
 
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I really, really, really don't like how 'sloppy' the top and bottom of the phone look. The least they could do is try to make it symmetrical...
 
Look, I am no big fan of Samsung, but I don't see how it is "mocking" to point out they offer something that the competitor didn't? To me it's more like "look what we offer that this certain other company don't".
Did you even see the ad? Or the Galaxy reveal? It was mocking.
 
Look, I am no big fan of Samsung, but I don't see how it is "mocking" to point out they offer something that the competitor didn't? To me it's more like "look what we offer that this certain other company don't".
Apparently, many others see clearly that it's mocking:

Samsung Mocks iPhone's Camera, Lack of Headphone Jack, and More in Latest Galaxy S9 Ads
Samsung’s advert mocks Apple fans and feature-light iPhones
Samsung returns to mock iPhone X buyers in latest commercial
A brief history of Samsung mocking Apple announcements
 
I think the funniest thing about this thread are the number of people comparing headphones as if these changes mean you can't use your headphones anymore and must use something wireless. It's ridiculous.

News flash: I haven't been able to use a serial port or Firewire on my laptop for some time without an adapter.

There comes a point where critical mass isn't there anymore—or in Apple's case, they often nudge the market forward (iMacs going USB-only, new MacBooks going USB-C, no floppy, etc.).

For you audiophiles who really care about dynamic range and whatever, great. I'm happy your hearing and listening is so refined. These companies care about your specific needs about as much as laptop makers care about the fact that I still have to use serial adapters to mess with old networking equipment from the console. I'm not barred from doing it, but I do have to carry adapters. This has been the story of electronic devices since... at least my entire life.
 
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