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Brilliant. Apple should take note no one wants this. Look at the stuff Samsung can engineer into a phone very similar in size to the 6S+. Apple should feel embarrassed they are so far behind.

I think that's the take home point all the Apple fanboys are missing (and I don't own an Android device, only iPhones and iPad) - Let's see:

Samsung manage to put waterproofing (proper waterproofing), a large 5.7" OLED screen, headphone jack, USB C, Micro SD expandable storage, fast charging, a 3500mAh battery and a pen, just for starters, in a space smaller than the 5.5" iPhone 6+ (or rumoured 7+ since no real changes) which seemingly needs to remove features, has a 5.5" screen and a 3000mAh battery and less successful waterproofing (rumoured). The latest Samsung Touchwiz software is fine, I've tried it and it's no longer a negative.

So what do we gain by sticking with Apple nowadays? The convenience of "less"? Design? (please, Samsung have overtaken here too), Thinner? (if you ignore the camera) higher cost? I'm struggling to find the positives outside of iOS being slightly better at a push. Apple seem to be stagnating and worrying about fashion accessories of late and unless the rumours about the "7" are completely off then I might finally be moving away. I must admit I'll enjoy an open file system for a start if I do...
 
Aren't they removing it for space and you get better audio quality with the lightning connection?

I know it's not a popular move, but those are the reasons right?

Lighting audio will either be pass through using the existing internal DAC or require an external DAC in the headphones. Both these don't give you better sounds quality and could potentially be much worse as headphones hit a price point where a quality DAC just isn't possible.

44.1khz 16bit audio is all you need. Lighting provides no quality increase please stop trying to spread nonsense.
 
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Why do you think he was referring to Apple when he said, "Want to know what else it comes with? An audio jack."? It is because the article title says so?

Like you said, it hasn't been confirmed by anyone that Apple's removing the 3.5mm jack; It's still a rumor at this point.

On the other hand, Motorola and Le Eco do have smartphones that don't have a 3.5mm jack. Why couldn't he be referring to them, or what appears to be a trend by smartphone manufacturers in general to remove the 3.5mm jack?

This article is nothing more than click bait.


This is not a click bait article at all. Several sites have published this article in similarity. Let's not have any false modesty here, we all know Samsung was aiming at Apple. Apple is a major player next to Samsung. Sure, their are other companies without the Jack, but does anyone else care about small contenders? No.

But in reality, with the dozens of leaks and reports, I think it's safe to say the Jack will not be equipped on the iPhone 7.
 
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Just saw them on the local news and the one feature I hope the next iPhone has is water proofing, and I don't mean a bit of rain or a splash of water. They had them under water with divers taking photos. Will the next iPhone have this?
 
Apple fanboys

I might finally be moving away

I read these and wondered what might be the breaking point for you so I checked your post history, starting from the oldest in 2013. On the last page only (I don't think I really want to read another 23 pages of this)

"Lets be realistic here - this site has many Apple fanboys that would pay double for anything with an Apple logo"

I've seen a lot of comments like this, seem to be mainly from fanboy types

Seems like you've been banging that drum for a few years.
 
I think that's the take home point all the Apple fanboys are missing (and I don't own an Android device, only iPhones and iPad) - Let's see:

Samsung manage to put waterproofing (proper waterproofing), a large 5.7" OLED screen, headphone jack, USB C, Micro SD expandable storage, fast charging, a 3500mAh battery and a pen, just for starters, in a space smaller than the 5.5" iPhone 6+ (or rumoured 7+ since no real changes) which seemingly needs to remove features, has a 5.5" screen and a 3000mAh battery and less successful waterproofing (rumoured). The latest Samsung Touchwiz software is fine, I've tried it and it's no longer a negative.

So what do we gain by sticking with Apple nowadays? The convenience of "less"? Design? (please, Samsung have overtaken here too), Thinner? (if you ignore the camera) higher cost? I'm struggling to find the positives outside of iOS being slightly better at a push. Apple seem to be stagnating and worrying about fashion accessories of late and unless the rumours about the "7" are completely off then I might finally be moving away. I must admit I'll enjoy an open file system for a start if I do...

I'm not sure I'd call android an open file system. While I actually most agree with you the problem is Samsung is ahead because of lower costs. It also basically has access to details about apples products before they come to market, having a spec better doesn't always mean it's better. The only thing I'm craving from the note is an almost edge to edge screen and side bezels that are super thin.

The advantages of ios beat android for me. It's airplay to apple tv, continuity with mac OS, icloud photo sharing with the whole family, the investment made in movies and music on iTunes and much more. Even imessage is becoming essential as they add more features.

Sure Samsung hardware looks great but it's still android with all its security flaws and poorly optimised software.
 
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As has been said.

Talk about Apple needing to remove the headphone jack to help with waterproofing AND gain some additional internal space.

So how come Samsung can make a waterproof phone, AND have a headphone jack AND a whole stylus stored inside the same device?
 
I read these and wondered what might be the breaking point for you so I checked your post history, starting from the oldest in 2013. On the last page only (I don't think I really want to read another 23 pages of this)

"Lets be realistic here - this site has many Apple fanboys that would pay double for anything with an Apple logo"



Seems like you've been banging that drum for a few years.

A great response to the points I made.

I USED to be a big fan of Apple products, I stuck with the eco-system despite increasing dissatisfaction but don't forget like many I'm on a two year phone contract which is due up in September so as much as I'd LIKE to upgrade to the iPhone 7 it doesn't mean I will if Apple aren't progressing or bothering to even try any more. And yes, there are a lot of "Fanboys" here - read the first couple of pages of this thread.
 
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I'm not sure I'd call android an open file system. While I actually most agree with you the problem is Samsung is ahead because of lower costs. It also basically has access to details about apples products before they come to market, having a spec better doesn't always mean it's better. The only thing I'm craving from the note is an almost edge to edge screen and side bezels that are super thin.

The advantages of ios beat android for me. It's airplay to apple tv, continuity with mac OS, icloud photo sharing with the whole family, the investment made in movies and music on iTunes and much more. Even imessage is becoming essential as they add more features.

Sure Samsung hardware looks great but it's still android with all its security flaws and poorly optimised software.

Well I tend to agree but that's always been the way, the Apple eco-system is what keeps many around - the product itself was awesome but I think that was a couple of generations back and complacency seems to be settling in, many very big companies have done the same (Sony? Nokia? Kodak? Polaroid?) and this may just be another part of a longer development process in preparation for the iPhone 8 next year according to rumours so there could be great things ahead. It's just that all the latest products don't inspire great confidence really.

I'd love to be able to put music/movies in a folder in seconds as I can with an Android device though - iTunes and the Music app still seem to be terrible systems to me, the opposite of the stripped back hardware.
 
"What to know what else it comes with?"

TouchWiz, which is 100% of the reason I'll never buy a Samsung Android phone. I'm just saying

The Google Edition of their phones are just as maddening.

Why do I have to update everything all of the time and go through a dozen upgrades (I hate the android with the spinning ball in his chest) to get to the latest version of the OS and standard apps?! Then, what is the name of the messaging app? Hangouts?! Oh, wait, now I'm supposed to use Messenger. Where is it? Oh, I need to download the standard messaging app?! Jesus. Does Google think I have nothing better to do than keep up with something as stupid as a messaging app? Why do I have two sets of Settings?

The long and the short is, Android is a steaming pile of poo that makes you mad every time you touch it. Which is rather funny considering I'm developing for it. In our system we use Android not as a general-purpose phone, but a purpose built tool so it sucks a bit less, minus the fact the development tools are just a notch or two above horrible.
 
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I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

You cannot listed to a digital signal. Sound is analog. There has to be a DAC involved at some point. Today's DACs are tiny, so you can probably cram one into a connector or into the earbuds. But if anyone tells you that you're going to get a better quality sound from lighting, is incorrect. It's exactly the same, except the DAC will be in a different place.

What this may open the door to is some more expensive headphone providers being able to use higher quality DACs, but you really can't "hear" the difference... Yes, they are better, of course, but the DACs you get on almost everything are the same "CD Quality Sound" (a marketing term you don't often hear any more!)
 
I'd laugh my pants off if Phil said the same thing next month during the iPhone 7 announcement, but I'm afraid the rumours are true and the jack is gone
 
Didn't they also try this line with removable batteries and sd card slots, only to follow suit and remove these features in a later model? Money's on Samsung losing the 3.5 jack in the next model if the 7/6SE doesn't have one this year
 
Just saw them on the local news and the one feature I hope the next iPhone has is water proofing, and I don't mean a bit of rain or a splash of water. They had them under water with divers taking photos. Will the next iPhone have this?

It's reported the next iPhone will have a higher rating for Waterproofing, but this has not been confirmed as of yet. Eliminating the 3.5 Jack and a flush home button would certainly lead the iPhone to be more water resistant, but water proof is another question. We won't know until the September Keynote.
 
It's reported the next iPhone will have a higher rating for Waterproofing, but this has not been confirmed as of yet. Eliminating the 3.5 Jack and a flush home button would certainly lead the iPhone to be more water resistant, but water proof is another question. We won't know until the September Keynote.

Which do you think is more useful to the average phone user?

1 - The ability to use normal headphones

2 - The ability to take your phone scuba diving
 
People mocked removal of the floppy drive, removal of the optical drive and removal of the ethernet port.
Guess what the industry wound up doing.
1 - The ability to use normal headphones
"Normal" is a relative term. Nokia feature phones (menu/* to unlock), chiclet keyboards, CDs, mono sound, VGA, wired peripherals and dial-up modems were all "normal" once. And you know what? People got over it and it became a non-issue. Like the transition from the old Dock connector to the Lightning connector. And if it eventuates, 12 months after a phone-jack-less iPhone, it'll be a non-issue -- except for the hardcore whiners, who would just find something to whine about anyway (like their phone being too thick, how come it can't be thinner?). If you're not happy, you don't have to upgrade your phone - your old one didn't stop suddenly being useful. For that matter, go buy an Android... until they drop it too. :D
BTW, some users will tell you that Bluetooth headphones are their "normal".
 
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Which do you think is more useful to the average phone user?

1 - The ability to use normal headphones

2 - The ability to take your phone scuba diving

Why would you take your phone scuba diving? What are considered normal headphones? Wired or wireless? And if you took your iPhone scuba diving, the likeliness of your iPhone not working is probable, therefore you won't be using any headphones.
 
Why would you take your phone scuba diving? What are considered normal headphones? Wired or wireless? And if you took your iPhone scuba diving, the likeliness of your iPhone not working is probable, therefore you won't be using any headphones.

You're being facetious. Virtually every pair of headphones ever made is wired, as you well know.
 
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I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

That's such a crap argument, I'll just take the surface.

Here's one... as long as they intend to have an external speaker, they have to have a DAC chip built in anyhow.

Here's another. This BS about flow... a DAC has to flip it to audio at some point in the chain. By moving it external to the unit for headphones, you are having to now power a second DAC (battery), and then requiring that chip to be properly isolated, insulated, and be capable of pushing to a pair of cans.

If you're concerned about the width of the device, I'm not exactly hearing "OMG I so hope the 7 is thinner than the chunky 6s".

So all you're doing is removing the volume of the plug from the inside of the device. That's enough battery to run another 15 minutes or so, and that's assuming you don't make it thinner based on your prior nonsense.

Here's another... that 50 year old technology will be around another 50 years. The main reason is the low level of power draw, and not having to add batteries. It's one thing to make the case that a Lightning-based DAC Amp might improve the listening experience, though if you're still worried about that and using an iPhone, I'd question that thinking. Even so, that's still an option on a 6s that is here, right now, and not interfering with the current 3.5mm.

So basically, your argument is that the 3.5mm plug is too big for modern devices, and yet the best seller in Q2 was the iPhone SE. All you've said is "why not use the 8mm". And of course, that's stupid because it's unnecessary and not the target for portables. All you're left with is you don't like it because you think it's "nostalgic". The facts are it is a superior quality option for 99% of the current existing stock of headphones. Requiring a dongle to use them is unnecessary, redundant, and an additional battery draw for the same output.

So unless I hear a different argument on how audio quality is improved over what the 6s offers, it's still just a stupid design omission.
 
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