hmmmm you mean like Apple saying they will never make a small iPad? Or saying the 3.5 inch display iphone was the best size? The Samsung Note 7 does have a USB C port and a headphone jack.
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Samsung Mocks Apple's Decision to Remove the Headphone Jack in iPhone 7
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Well judging by science and people who tried it salt water does not play nice with simple soft rubber seals and soft metal in the connector. Anyone who took it into the sea has already voided the warranty.
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But the thing that interprets them is.
Not really an audiophile. As long as the external speaker(s) are really, really loud.
Samsung and Apple are in bed together. Like it matters if Samsung mocks Apple when Apple still throws billions at them. Google still makes money when people buy iPhones thanks to mobile ads and their services. Companies and election candidates do it all the time. I don't see Samsung and Apple having a divorce anytime soon. Imagine the reps at Samsung visit Apple and vice-versa talking about the supplier contract? They still have very much a partnership.
Samsung and Apple are in bed together. Like it matters if Samsung mocks Apple when Apple still throws billions at them. Google still makes money when people buy iPhones thanks to mobile ads and their services. Companies and election candidates do it all the time. I don't see Samsung and Apple having a divorce anytime soon. Imagine the reps at Samsung visit Apple and vice-versa talking about the supplier contract? They still have very much a partnership.
I agree. This should not be about technological progress but about ease of use. As yet, bluetooth is still a buggy technology that is difficult to manage in situations with many connections or where you need to keep your hands free and do not have time do go into settings. The headphones are such an often used piece of equipment that maximum ease of use and convenience are paramount.
The new solution to heaphone jacks should be at least as convenient to connect in all situations as the headphone jack is, and as yet that technology is not mature enough. Until that time, I prefer wired headphones, preferably with the old-fashioned jack.
But that would imply change is necessary? Going from a standard, reliable, ubiquitous connection method accepted worldwide to either a very limited lightning connector (which potentially removes simultaneous charging ability) or a slightly sub-standard audio broadcasting system which requires batteries which need charging and degrade over time.
The ONLY benefits are on Apple's side, either through cost saving, additional add-on sales or space saving in the iPhone itself which we don't benefit from since it seems the main competitors cram in far more to less space (ie Samsung - bigger screen, battery, waterproofing, even a pen to a smaller form factor).
This is something good for Apple, good for profit margin, and an inconvenience of varying degrees for their users. The arrogance that Apple are showing for their customers by removing features without giving us something worthwhile in trade off (oh yeah, "thinness"
so long as you pretend the camera doesn't exist) is getting far too cocky on their part. The iPhone 6/6S was "OK" but nothing like as impressive as the 3G, 4 or 5, the 7 is looking to be a bigger disappointment while the competition are ever-improving. Apple is going to make the same mistake as many other big companies if they're not careful and think they're invincible - they won't disappear any time soon but many world-leading companies are shadows of their former selves nowadays through sheer arrogance.
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Is that a joke? So he has to carry a bulky extra piece of hardware in a crowded car so we can listen to crappy tinny music? Plus that's one more stupid accessory to buy to compensate for the phone's shortcomings. Even the $300+ battery powered speakers don't have the power to sound good over road noise and will sound like garbage next to even cheap in-car audio.
Of course we'd all be total jerks to anyone who tried to do that. Nobody wants to be "that guy" and now you're saying Apple people should be "that guy" who has to bring a clunky speaker because his phone is too crappy to connect like everyone else's.
There is zero benefit to a phone without a headphone jack over a phone with a headphone jack plus bluetooth and lightening (which the current iPhone has). So the new world of Apple is to build crappy stuff that makes people stand out because they can't do what everyone else wants to.
Of course everyone is getting in line to make phone of a phone with no headphone jack. It's the stupidest idea of the decade.
Brilliant. So now you're "that guy" who needs to tote along a big bag of adapters and external speakers to compensate for his anti-social phone. How long will Apple be able to sell iPhones when every iPhone user is made fun of for his crippled toy?
So now the iPhone user is "that guy" who pretends his crippled device is somehow better even though it can't do what a $5 mp3 player can. The headphone jack is not redundant, and better alternatives, if they exist, can be used along side it as they are with current phones. Remember the old fable about the cat who lost his tail in a screen door? The headphone jack is the iPhone's tail.
In my example, you are giving up everything in terms of listening experience. And having a headphone jack doesn't force you to use it if you prefer one of the alternatives. They're all available on most modern phones.
I hope that all those people promising to not buy the next iPhone keep their word. I'll be able to get one quicker.
Dude, I'm a med student. I spend 4-6 hours at the library per day alone.
I'm probably not an average user. But that doesn't make me hate the change. I did just buy a 128 GB iPhone 6s Plus, so I don't know why I'm fighting this issue. I'm not upgrading this cycle anyway.
Hopefully if Apple do pull this anti-consumer move then someone will make a case with a headphone jack, lightning pass-through and a decent DAC in it (maybe add some extra battery while they're at it). I don't want a dangly dongle adapter and the phones are verging on being too thin already anyway. Sticking with my SE for a good while anyway.
Thinner designs are subjective. I would like to delve in objective comparison, Samsung or Android has ways to go to catch up to unit battery life from a device. iPhone 6s Plus has a 2750mAh capacity battery while Samsung S7 edge has a 3600mAh capacity battery. For Android to be as efficient as iOS Samsung S7 edge should have had 11.85 hours of battery life from a bigger battery when compared to 6s Plus. And S7 with a larger battery than 6s Plus just cannot match the iPhone.
What this tells me is Samsung is more interested in increasing battery life by brute force (just increasing capacity) instead of innovating the hardware. I know for sure Samsung cannot innovate on the software, because that falls squarely on Google's shoulders. And looking at plain vanilla Android on the Nexus 6P which has 3450mAh battery capacity, the results are even more disappointing considering there is no overhead of bloat. Android is just not able to match iOS on OS/software optimization.
That's most likely not by choice, there is not much alternative to Android at the price point to majority of the folks who don't want flagship phones.
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Hopefully, then maybe Apple will start trying to make better product again...
All those USBc headphones out there .. So hard to chose. Seriously, anybody who buys a digital headphone with a fixed USBc cable, deserves to use a Samsung phone. All headphones worth buying will be platform agnostic, and will useable with any device a customer wants to use them with -- including 3.5mm eauipment, because you know, all that legacy equipment isn't going anywhere soon, just like all that legacy PC equipment that doesn't have a USBc port either.
Samsung is likely in the exact same boat as Apple -- they need to reclaim internal space to add new features. But that won't stop Samsung marketing their phones as having a headphone jack to draw Apple customers looking for headphone jacks, while they still have them. They are opportunists and have no shame. Then they will drop the headphone jack and herald USB-C audio as the new standard to attempt to keep the converts, despite the fact that wireless will be the new standard.
This is hysterical. Last weekend I rented an older car that only had a 3.5mm input. My car has Bluetooth and USB. I was caught unprepared. I made one attempt to buy a male-to-male cable at a local drugstore, but they didn't sell them. You know what they did sell? Lightning cables. And that was enough of my weekend wasted trying to play my music through my rental car radio, so I just settled with the radio.
Here's the lesson learned -- when you take a trip, even a spontaneous one, be prepared. Had the thought occured to me that I might be rented a car without Bluetooth or USB, I would have brought along my BT dongle. Next time I will. If one of your friends had been left out, he would have been prepared for the next trip. Once upon a time, you might have taken a trip where everyone had an iPod but one guy who get left out too. I suppose you'd make fun of him too? The reality is, if you had a friend with an iPhone without a headphone jack, at some point he'd probably buy an adapter so he was prepared, or you might buy a BT dongle for your car, both for yourself, and to accomodate your friends, rather than make fun of them. And, if Apple does this, just like the drugstore I went to had Lightning cables but not male to male 3.5mm cables, finding a basic adapter will probably just as easy -- that's the strength of having a user base of over half-a-billion iPhones. At a minimum, I can see some universal dongles which are USB-A female to 3.5mm which allow any phone to use its charging cable to connect. And of course on this impromptu trip, all your friends had their respective charging cables with them too, right?
Now for all the fallacies you're pushing ... You have no idea what BT 5 will offer, and if Apple is removing the headphone jack, they will most likely be offering an improvement over existing Bluetooth connecting issues. My BT radio supports up to 5 devices being paired. Most support a minimum of two. You don't have to buy a new car to get add on BT either. I have a simple dongle that supports instant pairing with up to two devices. No PITA whatsoever. But in the end, you make the biggest specious leap, which is that by next year most flagship phones may well need an adapter to use a headphone jack. In which case, you'll all be in the same boat and can make fun of each other.
Thinner designs are subjective. I would like to delve in objective comparison, Samsung or Android has ways to go to catch up to unit battery life from a device. iPhone 6s Plus has a 2750mAh capacity battery while Samsung S7 edge has a 3600mAh capacity battery. For Android to be as efficient as iOS Samsung S7 edge should have had 11.85 hours of battery life from a bigger battery when compared to 6s Plus. And S7 with a larger battery than 6s Plus just cannot match the iPhone.
What this tells me is Samsung is more interested in increasing battery life by brute force (just increasing capacity) instead of innovating the hardware. I know for sure Samsung cannot innovate on the software, because that falls squarely on Google's shoulders. And looking at plain vanilla Android on the Nexus 6P which has 3450mAh battery capacity, the results are even more disappointing considering there is no overhead of bloat. Android is just not able to match iOS on OS/software optimization.
I don't find this accurate at all. I've owned the Nexus 5x and now have a have a 6p. The battery life is far superior on the 6p. Battery life and performance on the 5x were both disappointing even considering its low price point. Battery life on the 6p is also far better than any iPhone i've owned (which is several...i switch back and forth every few years)
Most of the people claiming they won't buy the next iPhone WEREN'T going to buy one anyway. They're just faking their rage at Apple so they have a reason to complain.
Some people have legitimate complaints that the "thank you sir may I have another" Apple zealot crowd dismisses since Apple can do nothing wrong.
BT phones and ear pieces have slight to major delays that cause audio sync issues when watching video. I have zero interest in watching videos that are out of sync because Apple and its cultists claim BT is magical and compressed audio sounds better.
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For many, THAT is probably how this will get resolved. But then, Apple will basically get away with ejecting utility to a third party accessory without cutting the price of the iPhone. So, why not eject other stuff next time? For example, why not kick the WHOLE battery out to third party cases? "We" would spin that as genius because it would allow the "more battery" people to get whatever kind of battery they want- just pick the right case. Apple could cut some unit cost AND easily get to feed their "thinner" addiction too.
Why not kick the camera out to a third-party case? That eliminates the "bump" or "wart" and people could pick whatever kind of camera they want. More cost elimination and no more bump or wart to clash with "thinner!"
Why not eliminate the iPhone body and just assume the bare guts will get inserted into "designer" cases. More cost elimination, "thinner & lighter," and watchband-like accessories to sell.
Later, why not kick the screen out too?
Eventually, we rationalize paying the full iPhone price for an empty box where everything that used to come with an iPhone is sold separately.
And I'm certain there will be at least 10 guys here who would argue the genius in that too... as soon as they believe Apple is going to do it.
Fair enough. But so far there's a rumor of what Apple may do, and most are assuming that Apple won't do anything to improve wireless audio in the process of removing the headphone jack. That makes zero sense to me. BT 5 was just announced, so that suggests that yes, big improvements are on the horizon.
But that would imply change is necessary? Going from a standard, reliable, ubiquitous connection method accepted worldwide to either a very limited lightning connector (which potentially removes simultaneous charging ability) or a slightly sub-standard audio broadcasting system which requires batteries which need charging and degrade over time.
The ONLY benefits are on Apple's side, either through cost saving, additional add-on sales or space saving in the iPhone itself which we don't benefit from since it seems the main competitors cram in far more to less space (ie Samsung - bigger screen, battery, waterproofing, even a pen to a smaller form factor).
This is something good for Apple, good for profit margin, and an inconvenience of varying degrees for their users. The arrogance that Apple are showing for their customers by removing features without giving us something worthwhile in trade off (oh yeah, "thinness"
Ah the same old argument that greedy Apple is out to screw its own customers and profits in the process.
Seriously!? Apple is going to save its sagging profits from already slowing iPhone sales, by removing a universal port when it doesn't have to, despite the fact it's competition doesn't have to either, thinking it will not only make up for slowing sales, but the inevitable defection of existing customers, with some Lightning licenses, adapters and forced Beats headphone sales when there is a thriving headphone market with many other major players to offer choices?
Yeah, you've clearly thought that through. I'm sure you were one of the first to notice that there was no way to charge the phone and use Lightning headphones at the same time either. Thank god you pointed out how out of touch Apple is, so I can dump all of my stock today.
mocking is a cheap tactic, but since Apple does it all the time I wouldn't be against Samsung in this case, also remember that Samsung is the bigger guy here with more sales, so they are NOT the underdog. Also Apple needs Samsung for chips and screens, Samsung does not need Apple.
As for the lightening connector, you are correct, Apple has taken out many things in earlier years -> people complained -> then it became the standard like no physical keys on cellphones, disk drives, CD drives, and flash.
As for the lightening connector, you are correct, Apple has taken out many things in earlier years -> people complained -> then it became the standard like no physical keys on cellphones, disk drives, CD drives, and flash.
In my experience, what Apple takes away, they find a way to give it back so it's never really a total sacrifice on your part.
For example, I lost a bunch of display ports with the Macbook Air, but gained an all-in-one solution in the form of the thunderbolt display. I lost flash with iOS, but gained the app store.
I am willing to bet that to make up for the loss of the audio jack and to move people over to wireless music, Apple will release their own take on the bluetooth headphone which mitigates many of the current drawbacks.
At the end of the day, buying into the Apple ecosystem invariably means having to trust that Apple really does know best at the end of the day. Apple tends to favour one optimal way of doing something (even if that one way isn't really your cup of tea) over multiple options for doing the same thing.
And if you don't like it, then maybe you shouldn't be in the Apple ecosystem. I am not trying to be rude or arrogant by telling you to get lost, just that perhaps it is time to reconsider your options as the current ones might no longer meet your needs.
There's nothing to pretend. I am acknowledging that yes, my iPhone comes without an audio jack and that I am willing to take steps to either mitigate the absence of that port, or change my usage habits such that it becomes a non-issue.
It's not about being better or superior to the rest. At the end of the day, it's my choice, and I chose to adapt my changing my work environment such that it heavily favoured Apple devices. Basically, I maximised the benefits while minimising the drawbacks. It took quite a bit of financial investment and a lot of trial and error, but fast forward 4 years, and I daresay it has all been worth it in the end.
I already do with my macbook air and iPad. Guess what? I am a teacher, and I even tote around a tray holding an Apple TV, power cable and a 10m-long HDMI cable (in addition to my other teacher peripherals) so I can set it up in whatever classroom I go to. I airplay my iPad or iPhone or MBA to the projector via my Apple TV over a physical, wired connection. I pass files around via airdrop and cloud storage.
Am I being anti-social? Perhaps. But in being forced to adopt a wireless solution (partly to work around the limitations of my iOS devices), I have found a different (and more importantly, better) way of teaching. One that I might have never stumbled upon were I still using my original work-issued Windows laptop.
Like I said - sometimes, you just cannot have a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Yes, there is nothing stopping me from using wireless tech with the current iOS devices, but for most people, there wouldn't exactly be much incentive to want to change either if current wired solutions remained good enough. Someone has to play the bad guy here, and maybe that someone will be Apple.
Maybe Apple is being the devil here. But there are some things only the devil can offer, and so I voluntarily take the good with the bad, and throw in my lot with Apple.
I have an Apple TV set up in my class, so only teachers who use Apple products can tap on my infrastructure as well. Of course, they can always default to plugging their work-issued laptops to the VGA cable. If I want to airdrop stuff around, that invariably limits my scope to Apple devices. I am the go-to guy at work for Apple accessories such as adaptors and charging cables, but for anything else? Forget it.
I am already living in a different world from others by virtue of being an Apple user. The catch here is that there are enough iOS users around me that we are our own self-sustaining community, not some sort of tech outcast.
Like I said, change has to start somewhere. There will come a time when enough people in your car use smartphones without a headphone jack, and then it will be the owner who seems anti-social for not supporting bluetooth or carplay or whatever floats their boat.
I continue to be DUMBFOUNDED by the Cult of Apple and the "Apple can do no wrong" mentality.
I've always wondered how Jim Jones was able to get his followers to drink poisoned Kool-aid but after watching people defend Apple I now understand.