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Not really much of an accomplishment when you're on top in sheer numbers due to how many low end junk and mid range models you sell as evidenced by profits still declining. It just shows that the Galaxy S and Note lines make up only a small portion of Samsungs numbers. It's not really hard to practically give away dirt cheap devices. What's impressive is that Apple is able to get people to pay over $600 on average for their phones all while still selling a large amount of them in absolute numbers.

If anything this is embarrassing to Samsung to ship the most phones yet only have around 6-7% of the industry's profits.
 
Quantity or marketshare don't mean jack if your profits are falling..
It's really tough to compare Samsung and Apple. Samsung may be having difficulties right now, but fundamentally they are a much more resilient company than Apple. Samsung has their hands in everything, all the way from the smallest chips on up to end-user consumer devices. Apple is riding the iPhone gravy train. If anything jeopardizes the status quo without another product taking it's place, Apple will shrink right back down to the niche player it has always been. If they're smart, they're hoarding their money right now so they can finance their own relevance into the future even in the absence of compelling products (see also Microsoft...).

What's impressive is that Apple is able to get people to pay over $600 on average for their phones all while still selling a large amount of them in absolute numbers.
If I were Tim Cook, this would trouble me a little. There has been some indication that people are tiring of shelling out big bucks for phones, especially as the carriers move towards exposing the consumer to the full price of the phone instead of hiding it in a monthly contract. Take a look at PCs and imagine how it's going to go when even a three or four year old phone is 'good enough' for most people. It would be uncomfortable to rely on fashion has your main selling point, because fashion is fickle.
 
Being the world's largest doesn't matter if you're not also making the most profits. By all accounts, Apple seems to be dominating in that category.
If anything this is embarrassing to Samsung to ship the most phones yet only have around 6-7% of the industry's profits.


Untrue.

MOST profit isn't entirely relevant if you don't do something with that profit. sitting on massive piles of cash is detrimental to everyone.

the important thing for any business is growth, and sufficient profit to support that growth.

having "THE MOST PROFIT EVER IN ALL THE INDUSTRY" doesn't matter if you can sustain whatever growth your company has forecasted and keep the investors happy.

also claiming that the biggest profit numbers is relevant misses a lot of other factors such as profit margins. Company A charges 5% markup, company be charges 50% markup. Company B will have larger profit than A, but might sell less devices. Neither of these is entirely relevant to proving one is better than the other if the investors are happy and growth continues.

All this is, is some lame pissing match.
 
not gonna lie the Edge is one sexy phone. unfortunately it is running the wrong OS ;)

Couldnt agree with you more...every time I experience Android, my blood pressure rises..for example, I cant look at the email/gmail app after experiencing iOS email
 
I never thought I would ever buy a Samsung phone. Well, today I have an S6 Edge. And you know what? I always hated Android. But I'm really enjoying the freedom I have on this handset. It's pretty awesome to see how configurable this thing is, and I am enjoying things such as Tasker and IFTTT on it. Widgets work pretty well too.

It feels a lot more ... personal than my iOS or Windows Phone devices. Which is odd, I never thought I would like Android. But here I am.

And it's all thanks to the S6 Edge. Man, this thing draws attention. I've never seen so many people gawk at a phone before ... well, not since my original iPhone which I got on launch day!

One of the things I enjoy most about my Android phone is simple - the ability to choose default apps. In that regard, my device becomes more "personal" because the device works more how I want...
 
One of the things I enjoy most about my Android phone is simple - the ability to choose default apps. In that regard, my device becomes more "personal" because the device works more how I want...

Yes, absolutely. For instance, I switched to Outlook as my default mail client - and everything "just works" with it. iOS always felt like a hodgepodge of kludges when the default apps didn't work for you. It was such frustration.
 
One of the things I enjoy most about my Android phone is simple - the ability to choose default apps. In that regard, my device becomes more "personal" because the device works more how I want...

It's interesting to toggle back and forth. I have a 1st gen Moto X, and an iPhone 6. When I get sick of one, I switch to the other. :D Android definitely has some nice features that iOS lacks.
 
It's interesting to toggle back and forth. I have a 1st gen Moto X, and an iPhone 6. When I get sick of one, I switch to the other. :D Android definitely has some nice features that iOS lacks.

I've used both as well, though don't currently have an iPhone... I can't justify having two different devices.

What would be nice, is if we could install whatever OS we want onto our own OWNED purchased hardware.

If I buy a hardware device, i don't see what right a software vendor has to limit me from running whatever OS i can make run on it. Of course, obtaining that OS legally.

I'm sick of these "locked bootloaders" and systems. this was not how I envisioned tech 20 years ago.
 
I never thought I would ever buy a Samsung phone. Well, today I have an S6 Edge. And you know what? I always hated Android. But I'm really enjoying the freedom I have on this handset. It's pretty awesome to see how configurable this thing is, and I am enjoying things such as Tasker and IFTTT on it. Widgets work pretty well too.

It feels a lot more ... personal than my iOS or Windows Phone devices. Which is odd, I never thought I would like Android. But here I am.

And it's all thanks to the S6 Edge. Man, this thing draws attention. I've never seen so many people gawk at a phone before ... well, not since my original iPhone which I got on launch day!


Thats because it is easily the best smartphone out there right now but most IPHONE users will just brush it aside as "just another apple copy".

Samsung has really stepped up their game with this phone. I think this is great for competition.
 
Every smartphone that Apple sells is a high end device. Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones. The fact that these two are close in numbers is a total victory for Apple.
 
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OK,but it doesn't really matter. Nothing to get excited about.
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I'm just quoting you on this because I wish more people would realize this, and enjoy what they've purchased. Whether it's apple or smsung or one of the many other top quality phone manufacturers.

we all are better for the wide range of competition.
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You both make the most valuable points. Who's better is a relative question and debate. The fact that we have a choice is what makes it all possible.
 
"The First 10 Days of Galaxy S6 Sales in Korea are Frighteningly Dismal"
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-sales-in-korea-are-frighteningly-dismal.html

"[Samsung] had sold a little over 200,000 units of the two smartphones here as of Sunday since their launch on April 10, sharply falling short of the 300,000 pre-orders, according to the data, indicating that earlier sales forecasts may be exaggerated."

That's the difference between "shipped" and "sold".

"We expect sales will improve soon, as the mobile carriers decided to increase subsidies on the Galaxy S6 series."

LOL
 
Every smartphone that Apple sells is a high end device. Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones. The fact that these two are close in numbers is a total victory for Apple.

A victory? How about just stating it largely irrelevant and/or that both companies seem to be successful in what they do. We HAVE to declare someone "victorious" ? Why?
 
A victory? How about just stating it largely irrelevant and/or that both companies seem to be successful in what they do. We HAVE to declare someone "victorious" ? Why?

Current, mainly 'western' mentallity of a bipolar zero sum game. Most notably an attitude found in mostly American's.

If A is true, B has to be false.
if you're not first. You're last.

if you aren't #1 in something, you are worthless.

its Cultural
 
whopiee a bunch of garbage vs a few good iPhones ill side with apple

PS whats with samsung with all these "Next Big Thing" adds don't they know it already been done can't they be original with anything
 
By returning to their original strategy of blatantly copying Apple?

What do you mean? You mean like how Apple got fingerprint sensors, larger screens, NFC and smartwatches AFTER it's been already implemented by Android? Please go.

The fact is, if Samsung stayed plastic half of you would be critiscizing Samsung (Shamedung?) for not using quality materials. What gives?
 
Quantity or marketshare don't mean jack if your profits are falling..

Did you think about Apple's profits before buying one of their products? I really don't think customers care about how good Samsung profits are doing at any given time.
 
Yeah, why not to compare the iPhone sales with the sales of the cheap plastic budget phones that Samsung sells and/or give away in emerging markets, sure, it fair!

Please, compare the flagships sales, just one time....
 
Right fit

It's ok that that iPhone isn't the right fit for everyone. I want my iPhone to work how it currently does. I don't need lots of untested features that make the device buggy and unreliable. Others (like some windows users) would want to sacrifice product stability for features and extra functionality. Apple is a smart company for me in that they give me well rounded and highly functional features that work. They don't give me unlimited features that maybe buggy or cause problems with other features. I'll stick with my iPhone. Plus, competition will only help and push the iPhone to be better.
 
Yeah, why not to compare the iPhone sales with the sales of the cheap plastic budget phones that Samsung sells and/or give away in emerging markets, sure, it fair!

Please, compare the flagships sales, just one time....

May I ask why you really care? Sincerely - are you curious - or does it/will it shape your behavior in any way?
 
I would be more interested in sales numbers of devices with similar features from Apple, Samsung, and other vendors. Apple doesn't compete in the low-end smartphone market. Also, two other interesting data points would be profits from smartphone sales and how much money is made by app sales (for both the storefronts and developers).
 
The funny thing is that everybody brings this up when some other company than Apple reports "shipped" rather than "sold" numbers, when it's Apple tho it's assumed any unit shipped is automatically sold

Apple reports number of units sold, while Samsung reports units shipped. So Samsung is making a choice to spin the numbers in their favor (sleazebags that they are). How is this a double standard?
 
What do you mean? You mean like how Apple got fingerprint sensors, larger screens, NFC and smartwatches AFTER it's been already implemented by Android? Please go.

The fact is, if Samsung stayed plastic half of you would be critiscizing Samsung (Shamedung?) for not using quality materials. What gives?

1) Fingerprint sensors
Apple was the first to get it RIGHT. The first fingerprint sensors on Android were laughably unusable. They were mounted on the rear of the phone, required the user to swipe in a very specific direction which in turn required holding the phone in an awkward grip, and ultimately it was totally unreliable. In typical Samsung fashion, their original fingerprint sensors were added as an afterthought so they could list it as another feature on the box, regardless of how poorly it worked.

2) Larger Screen
A larger screen is no more of an innovation than a new color. I don't go around bragging that Apple innovated by coming up with "space grey" or "gold" -colored devices.

3) NFC
Apple doesn't jump on new tech without providing users with a compelling reason to use it. NFC payments in the US were rarely used until Apple released Apple Pay. They not only made it easy to use, but they secured deals with banks in advance, implemented an elaborate security system that makes it near impossible for someone to steal your credit card number, and they anonymized the transactions so that retailers couldn't track the user. Meanwhile, NFC payments on Android did little to increase security or privacy, and were awkward to use, requiring the user to give Google Wallet their credit card info. To make a payment, they required unlocking the phone, searching for and opening an app, compared to Apple Pay which works by just holding your locked phone next to the terminal.

4) Smartwatches
Do you really want to go there? The explosion in Android smartwatches was entirely the result of rumors that Apple was working on one. The first few days of Apple Watch pre-orders exceeded the combined sales to date of all Android smartwatches. The Apple Watch is the first such product that doesn't look like a computer strapped to your wrist. It's also small enough to look good on a woman's wrist, which means they've doubled Android's addressable market with that quality alone.

5) Quality Materials
Nobody is criticizing Samsung for using higher quality materials. They're being criticized for (once again) blatantly copying the iPhone instead of coming up with something original. It's also telling that Samsung started using better materials in a desperate last ditch attempt to compete with Apple, rather than because they care about quality or their customers.

Samsung's edge display is arguably new and innovative, but again in typical Samsung fashion they've failed (in my opinion) to present a compelling use case for it.
 
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Shipped...that's all you need to read.

Also SA is in Samsung's pockets...their research has been debunked by many credible sources.

Lastly don't you think it's odd that this amazing information for Samsung comes a day later after Apple comes out with their sales $$$$ that obliterated Samsung.
 
May I ask why you really care? Sincerely - are you curious - or does it/will it shape your behavior in any way?

Hahaha, but aren't you doing the same thing? (caring about _his_ caring?) I mostly just chuckle at comments I think are inane and move on vs. policing what are people post.

Come on, take my hand, it'll be OK :D

*Sam and DT run hand-in-hand through a meadow of flowers*

:D
 
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