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so sad..... comparing a phone that is almost a year older, and with a feature that no one cares about.
Please get your facts correct. iPhone 12 launched 23 Oct 2020. Galaxy S21 launched 14 Jan 2021. Less than 3 months between release dates.
 
Not sure why Samsung needs to do it but yes Apple are miles behind in zoom compared to Samsung . And sadly it may be 2 more years until we see a periscope lens camera on an iPhone

100x is cool but 5x,10x,20x and 30x is where it shines.
 
Yeah, good one. The Samsung phone is newer, so, duh?
Let's talk about Samsung apps and services installed and running on top of Android, and the general Android-Sammy experience before we pick on Apple's one so-called limitation.

Like 3 months difference from the release 12 pro max and s21 ultra.
 
I realize this is a fanboy site, but don't we want better for our iphones? Putting aside the "fake" 100x digital zoom, the Samsung 10x optical zoom is far better than anything Apple has in market (2.5x). People are commenting "sad", but that will change to "excited" when Apple finally catches up.

Same for every feature other phones have that Apple don’t have

Once Apple gets it people will realise how great it is
 
It is a PHONE.

You need actual proper optics? Go use a proper camera with dedicated (fixed-focal-length) glass.

Yes and the main selling points are high quality cameras. Why should people settle for less? People should want more options.

Apple will add periscope lens and it will have pretty much everything you could need from a smartphone camera
 
I'm quite sure Apple's A14 can fake the moon texture faster than the SOC in the Samsung since thats how Samsung does the moon photo... AI filled...
 
Samsung already supping most iPhone parts, time to jump ship and get a Samsung phone.
Yeah, keep believing that. In IFixIt’s iPhone 12 Pro Max tear down, the only Samsung parts are the 6GB RAM (among Micron, SK, and Toshiba suppliers) and likely the OLED display and its driver chip. LG supplies the 6.1 OLED for the iPhone 12 and in those iPhones probably the driver chips.

So sure, there’s at most 3 Samsung parts and at worst ZERO Samsung parts in the latest iPhone 12 series phones. But most of Apple iPhone parts, No, that would now be Texas Instruments, Qualcomm, and of course, Apple own A-series CPU’s, U1, and power controller chips.
 
For "photos" of the moon, Samsung basically uses AI to replace it. The moon is a static object, so by ML standards it's the perfect object to train AI to "sharpen" a blurry 100x digital "zoom" image. It's a neat trick, and for most people it won't matter, but it's not a real photo of the moon.
 
Intel, Microsoft and Samsung should redirect their advertising budget into R&D. They are hurting by losing market share to Apple so decide to slag off at them. 1. I encounter none of their advertising. 2. An  fanboy like myself is not going to ditch his iPhone 12 Pro 📱, iPad Pro, MacBook Pro 💻 and iMac 🖥 for Lenovo laptop, MS Surface, Galaxy 21 and HP desktop. 3. I do not have a weak mind so cannot be flipped on an ad campaign. 4. When purchasing technology there are many factors for myself choosing Apple. Reliability, privacy, security of myself and my information, durability, interconnectivity, innovation, functionality into my lifestyle, battery life and charge cycle, software, services, memory and the form (style / colours) of the products. 5. Publicly demo grating your opposition does not necessarily win favour with people and I think less of a company that involves itself with those practices.

I am somewhat biased to Apple products however given their consistently meeting these criteria plus their leadership is more stable than the opposition. I own Samsung TVs, Sony PlayStations and TV and Nokia smart phones. Nokia has some advantages, excepting the Microsoft ownership period, their phones are more robust. I do not expose my iPhone to the beach or in areas of extreme temperatures as the iPhones have never performed well in Australia's harsh outdoor summer conditions whereas the Nokias handle heat quite well. Nokia has always been at the forefront of camera technology. The Nokia 5G phones have a wide repertoire of 5G frequencies and a little muffed that the Australian iPhone 12s don't have the mmWave antennas. My Nokia / Microsoft smart phone casing was made of plastic (can't even remember the model number so must have had little impact on my memory) and had an early death from the summer beach heat and it fared worse than any iPhone.
 
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yeah but this is macrumors. If apple does it, it's great. If anyone else does it, it's trying too hard, no one's ever going to use it etc.

Go ahead people, Hit the downvote button and prove my point even further.
Turns out that's not true since everyone upvoted you ;)
 
I realize this is a fanboy site, but don't we want better for our iphones? Putting aside the "fake" 100x digital zoom, the Samsung 10x optical zoom is far better than anything Apple has in market (2.5x). People are commenting "sad", but that will change to "excited" when Apple finally catches up.
Just wait for Apple to polish it. Then imagine how much better it would be than Samsung.
 
Not sure about the sandwich picture. Ideal is in-between the two pictures. I do use the 10x and 30x zoom a lot like a pirate periscope. Can get the serial # off of something across the room without getting out of chair. More macro would be nice.
 
I don't think there's a lot of reason to compare smartphone cameras anymore, most takes are subjective. However, it would be nice if Apple bumped up optical zoom, the .5 increase on the 12PM is laughable, especially not being available on the 12P.
 
Yes and the main selling points are high quality cameras. Why should people settle for less? People should want more options.

Apple will add periscope lens and it will have pretty much everything you could need from a smartphone camera

Because it's purely marketing and proof of concept.

No one's actually gonna go out and use 10000x digital zoom in the wild and do anything with those pictures.
 
Because it's purely marketing and proof of concept.

No one's actually gonna go out and use 10000x digital zoom in the wild and do anything with those pictures.

It’s better to have it when you need it than not have it. 100x is more to use for fun or focus on something really far away. The strength is more in 5x, 10x, 20x and 30x
 
It’s better to have it when you need it than not have it.

And therein lays the difference between Samsung-fans and Apple-fans.

I'd rather have well-thought-through and well-developed features I actually use daily than a phone full of every gimmick feature under the moon (yes, pun intended given the thread) just because you can, that I and most everyone never actually uses or only once every blue moon at the cost that comes with compromises and cramming devices full of 'features'.

I know a lot of people who solely go by spec sheets and decide by which device has 'more' on paper. They never stop to think whether they'll actually need it.

Marketing.

The strength is more in 5x, 10x, 20x and 30x
Exactly, hence why Samsumg's ad is plain pointless. Marketing. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Bias aside, this is one of the worst commercials I’ve seen in a long time. I had to watch it twice to understand it. Also, I never understand the top selling brand trying to beat up on the lower volume brand—it connotes fear, or a lack of confidence. Another example of this was Visa constantly marketing against American Express when Visa clearly has the majority of the credit card market. I never understood why they didn’t beat up on MasterCard? Samsung’s pathetic advertising feels like this.
 
Whenever these Samsung articles pop up, the iPhone defenders are instantly on the offensive wth the first comments. Happens every time like clockwork
It’s just always funny to see comparisons against the iPhone. Actually, I guess if I think REALLY hard, then… I guess it’s like Samsung represents themselves as “the best Android phone” and, as a result, doesn’t want to compare against any other Android phone. Because, that would be telling their customers about a thing that they might prefer AND is easy to transition to.

By comparing against the iPhone, yes, they ARE saying “THIS IS THE COMPETITION AND THEY’RE THE BEST AND WE’RE GONNA SHOW HOW WE’RE BETTER”, and no, they’re not going to bring over many Apple folk. BUT if that ad brings over a few tens of thousands of current Android users, then it’s worth it. Plus, everyone knows putting Apple anything in your ad is automatically going to be communicated widely ‘cross these internets. The same ad vs a OnePlus wouldn’t get anywhere near the amount of attention. So, I think I got it. :)
 
I agree I would hardly ever use the zoom (impressive though it is), but even twice a year would be more than I use AR.
The LIDAR is used on every photo, not just for AR. It focuses quick because it can gather very accurate range information on near objects (out to 8 feet I think?).
 
That from here. They 'move back and forth'? For how long? And what about 'you are holding it wrong', and 'bendgate'. How can Apple maintain the operation of sliding lenses in an iPhone?
The lenses already slide on the current iPhone. On every phone that allows a smooth range of zoom (up until digital kicks in). The problem is that, iPhones are currently limited in their ability to zoom because of the thin-ness of the phone. Switching to perpendicular just means you do all the same things you’ve always done, only now the zoom is not limited by the thickness of the phone. It’s limited by how much space you want to allow for light to shine inside the phone (which of course means a smaller circuit board, smaller batteries, etc.).
 
yeah but this is macrumors. If apple does it, it's great. If anyone else does it, it's trying too hard, no one's ever going to use it etc.

Go ahead people, Hit the downvote button and prove my point even further.
Half right. If anyone else does it, it’s trying too hard. If Apple does it, it would have been done better under Steve Jobs OR why can’t they ignore the laws of physics, etc. Rarely is it considered “great”. :)
 
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