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Samsung Profits Tumble as Apple Enters Large-Screen Phone Market and Low-End Options Thrive

Wow.
Really didn't think "entering the large screen market" (I didn't even know that was a market) would have such an effect.

So bigger really is better?
 
rdlink said:
I guess it's true that Karma is a bitch.

I must say that the last couple of Samsung ads I've seen were not attacks on Apple, but actually ads that highlighted the capability of their own products. Although the latest one was highlighting a feature that my iPhone has had for a couple of years (and that works better on the iPhone).

But my biggest problem with Samsung is not the fact that they attack Apple, or copy from Apple. It's their despicable business practices.

As a corporation they are very unethical. The article that I read recently that highlighted some of their shady practices was disgusting. And before the haters want to claim that Apple is "no better" and "acts like any other "corporation" in this regard, I will say you're absolutely wrong. Apple would never keep regulators at bay outside their headquarters for hours while destroying evidence inside.
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You strike me as somebody who is very naive with that statement. I wouldn’t mind betting something quite substantial of mine that Apple, (and plenty of other companies), have interpreted lots of laws in lots of creative ways, been blind when they need to and got away with all kinds of crap over the years.
Think about it. We all do what suits us when we think we can somehow justify it to ourselves and those that favour us. We love to think we are ethical but refuse to spend the time and money it takes to be really demonstrably ethical. As individuals we harp on about the environment and then we buy a 2 ton car with a 5 litre supercharged engine. Yeah, great. What’s wrong with a small engined item that only does 80Mph?
Just to be clear I have a 2 ton car with a 5 litre engine.
Now multiply that by 1,000,000 and you have the way in which corporations behave. ALL corporations.

M biggest problem with Samsung is that I don’t really like their 'finished products’.
 
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Desperation spurs innovation. Hopefully this lights a fire under Samsung's engineers.
 
Well they haven't really done much since the S3 and Note 2 and have just been rehashing until the Note 4.

Plus Touchwiz has been dire. Just not a good contemporary smartphone experience.

Also other OEMs innovated and caught up (even exceeded) feature wise and Apple well...remained Apple.

Even less money on the table now with the 5C, 5S, 6 and 6+
 
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Great business strategy, flooding the market with cheap phones and having barely any profit margin is only a race to the bottom. Glad they hit the bottom first :D
 
I'm mixed about this...

Do you want to see the:
Denver Broncos and the (insert one: SF 49ers, Seahawks, etc.)

or the

Denver Broncos and the Packers play in the Super Bowl?

I'd rather see two of the best play it out and the best team win, rather than a simple blowout.

It's more entertaining, and brings out the best in both teams.
(of course, when my team wins, I do prefer the blowout - that's where I'm mixed)
 
With sony, htc, etc making good highend phones and also low end phone makers xiaomi, it would eat samsungs profit for sure.
Which is a good thing, so they would be forced to innovate.
 
FSMBP said:
How so? You want Apple to have its competitors die off? I don't know about you but I'd rather have Apple be challenged by competitors; it will force Apple to innovate further as opposed to resting on their laurels.
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Samsung was a blessing in disguise for Apple.

If Samsung hadn't existed, folks would have bought better phones from HTC, Motorola, and/or the Nexus line instead. These companies actually built good phones which may have led to some brand loyalty.

OTOH, Samsung used marketing muscle which exceeded that of MS, Apple, and Coke combined to bulldoze Htc and Motorola away, and had the non-Apple crowd buy crappy plastic, Touchwiz laden, Galaxy phones instead, which were never going to generate any brand loyalty at all.

Also, by copying the design of the iPhone far more closely than any other Android manufacturer (not including Chinese knockoffs), Samsung did a great job of establishing Android as the poor man's iPhone, rather than a strong brand on its own, which may have happened if the best selling Android phone was a well designed and built with high quality materials phone like the HTC One, instead of the plastic S4.
 
FSMBP said:
How so? You want Apple to have its competitors die off? I don't know about you but I'd rather have Apple be challenged by competitors; it will force Apple to innovate further as opposed to resting on their laurels.
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HTC innovate. Motorola innovate. Samsung copy, teardown their competitors' products, and market them at a cheaper price. The competitors sue, Samsung counter-sue to increase the length of the court case, and by the time they need to pay a settlement they've made so much profit from the products that the settlement is absolutely inconsequential.

They've done it with vacuum cleaners (Dyson), photography (Kodak), television (Sharp), and phones (Apple).

Not to mention they've got a class action lawsuit against their fridges and washing machines.

That's why myself and others are more than happy to see Samsung fail.
 
Ted13 said:
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.

If Samsung had stuck to providing parts for other OEMs and done their own *original design* phones, they would not be in this spot right now. They may have missed some of their highs, but they would have had a solid, long term, sustainable business.
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Armchair CEO at work!
 
:apple:love aside, it is really hard to compete in multiple segments and be all things to all people. Samsung makes good high end devices and if they choose to focus on a specific segment, they might be a better mobile division - offer solid high end Android offerings and lead that segment.
 
Not surprising really. Advertising only goes so far and after a while people got sick of seeing "The Next Big Thing" plastered here, there and everywhere. Plus the Galaxy brand has become very diluted with Samsung releasing a new handset seemingly every other month. Now they say they're going to have new low cost phones for China. How many models of the Galaxy phone do they need? That many SKUs just creates confusion for the consumer. And things like the Galaxy Alpha and these new low cost China phones seem reactionary more than anything else.

Samsung's problem is it doesn't have the loyalty that other companies like Apple have. It doesn't really have anything sticky to keep people in its ecosystem. Mostly because it doesn't have an ecosystem. People are tied to Google apps and services and they don't need a Samsung device to get them.
 
JeffyTheQuik said:
I'm mixed about this...

Do you want to see the:
Denver Broncos and the (insert one: SF 49ers, Seahawks, etc.)

or the

Denver Broncos and the Packers play in the Super Bowl?

I'd rather see two of the best play it out and the best team win, rather than a simple blowout.

It's more entertaining, and brings out the best in both teams.
(of course, when my team wins, I do prefer the blowout - that's where I'm mixed)
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please dont tell me youre saying broncos = apple. apple would never allow themselves to get embarassed like last year
 
H2SO4 said:
Rubbish. It’s all due to sales of the iP6 and only the iP6.
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In the U.S. - possibly true. But other-Android competition in China and India is also a part of Samsung's revenue/profit drop. We don't notice it here.
 
Android Fanboy –"Apple Copied Samsung, they have been making large phones for two years, welcome to 2012 iFools!"


i Feel the Samsung Galaxy Alpha that's missing all of Samsungs usual great features like removable battery, SD-Card because its made of wonderful thin gold color metal unibody is Samsung panicking...
 

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