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Samsung Removes Ad Mocking iPhone's Lack of Headphone Jack After Following Suit With Galaxy Note 10
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24% make the headphone jack a priority with the next purchase decision, according to the above. So "some" people won't buy a phone without a headphone jack according to that poll. I don't know if that is more or less than I thought, but clearly not the majority.
I don't think its a stretch, at the end of the day both Apple and Samsung were making a case as to why their decision was superior for sticking with a smaller screen or keeping the headphone jack. True? Then, in a similar amount of time they reversed their decision. If you want to get hung up on the whole mocking tone of the commercial then then that's your MO.
Just as "iPhone screens have steadily increased along with consumer demand", so has the demand, use, lowering cost, and availability of bluetooth headphones. Someone has push the industry forward, and both Apple and Samsung did. But for people to say its coping is pretty narrow minded. Bench-marking the industry, watching trends, understanding where the market is going is what people making big $$ at Apple, Samsung, LG and all these phone companies do. Hence why I use the fanboy term (which wasn't directed at you). Being one-sided and not understanding/seeing the big picture is exactly what a fanboy is.
This is a twitter poll, but it is from Marques Brownlee and has a 195,000 votes...
Hmm, so 60% still cares in 2019. Quite a lot actually.
The argument was about 2016 though, would probably be a different picture. Also, MKBHD followers care about tech which is not totally representative. I’d say back in the day, at least over 50% would’ve really wanted a jack.
It doesn't take a majority to screw up profits and sales. Apple's phone sales are way down and perhaps they never even considered that some of their decisions (possibly the headphone jack for 24%) has something to do with it. For all the whiners on here that say it's not needed or old junk, the fact remains that its presence generally doesn't hurt anything, but its absence ticks 1/4 the iPhone users off (and this after many have already had to adjust). They've since dumped their 3D Touch (guess it sucked too) and any good designer could manage to keep the jack without screwing everything up if they don't demand paper thinness (that everyone then makes meaningless by buying a protective case that is a quarter inch thick). But Apple can be just as pigheaded as everyone else that thinks there should never be any compromise in life and that it should always be ALL OR NOTHING. Most conflict comes about when that's the prevalent attitude and one only needs to watch the news to see that compromise is now a dirty word and that conflict is inevitable in the future, both scales large and small.
Apple might do well to actually listen to its customers and feedback rather than play the part of Steve Jobs, something they're not very good at doing. Feedback should not be a dirty word.
You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I would still ask you to refrain from using derogatory, toxic language like “fanboy”.
The hundreds of millions of iPhone customers who have bought iPhones lacking a headphone jack are proof Apple knew what they’re doing.
Google, Samsung and others have ditched the jack as well, it really is time to get over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah everybody’s greedy, we get it, and Apple is the greediest of them all
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I believe apple did their home and completely understood the ramifications of their business decisions and were okay with it. More okay with it, than many MacRumors posters.
To be honest, my trust B/T headphones did and found myself using the earpods at the gym. Gadzooks, plugging them into the lighting port worked fine. So now, instead of buying a replacement set of b/t headphones, I'm using my lighting port earpods. Those customers of companies who are ditching the headphone jack are going to have to adjust. But I don't see apple making compromises for less than a quarter of the customers.
That the rumor mill has stated 3dt is gone in 2019, I hope apple replaces it with something that is equivalent or better. I don't see how, I do see something that is similar but not equivalent or better, but we will see. At any rate it's not the end of the world for me.
Until the day Apple goes out of business, they will probably continue to do everything "their" way and users like me will switch back to Windows or whatever and say fark'em. SMB and NFS both keep freezing in KODI on my FireTV 4K connected to my Mac Mini Server after so much time and since both have now done it, I have to assume it's something else in the OS (Windows 10 on the same Mac in Boot Camp has never froze yet serving the same media files off the same HFS+ drives using MacDrive and the Mac never did it until I updated to Mojave so GREAT JOB APPLE at screwing up networking AGAIN and leaving us with what will probably be a broken Mojave networking permanently as they will just move on to the next OS version (that will kill 32-bit programs and thus I will NEVER update to it as it will destroy $600+ worth of software here I don't want to buy again or "rent" from Adobe, etc.).
Apple in their infinite "wisdom" just keeps farking users over (again and again) and don't CARE if it hurts their bottom line as they think they're doing well enough as it is so who cares if the real Mac users leave. They've got legions of Kool-Aid drinking fanboys that will never leave even if a phone melted in their pocket and scarred the for life. You can't beat brainwashing. As someone who has had Macs for 13 years now, I've never discovered what that brainwashing technique is as I've ditched Apple whenever something better was an option (Most of my AppleTVs got replaced with FireTVs and/or NVidia Shields; I bought a Windows phone three years ago because it was dirt cheap and met my needs fine and I'm finding trying Windows 10 on my Mac Mini that it's not too bad at all, really and "most" of my software is readily available in Windows and even older versions of Photoshop I had before getting my first Mac still work in Windows 10). Screw Apple. They remove crap just to remove it. They are not poor. They do not even do a good job maintaining what they have despite that. Apple used to "just work". It's just sad when Windows 10 is more stable at networking than Apple. I don't know how long you could run Windows 10 without a reboot (given Microsoft's forced updates, probably not long enough), but what good is not rebooting when the movies being served freeze randomly? Killing the NFSD process (or SMBD if using SMB) gets it working again so it's clearly the networking protocol or something connected directly to it. The fact it doesn't happen in Windows (thus far anyway) points to Apple at blame. It never did that with El Capitan. I suppose I could go back, but sooner or later browsers, etc. will be not updated for it. Mojave would have at least given me several years to continue to use it as a server. But if I have to use Windows 10 as the server instead, what's the point?
Apple in their infinite "wisdom" just keeps farking users over (again and again) and don't CARE if it hurts their bottom line as they think they're doing well enough as it is so who cares if the real Mac users leave. They've got legions of Kool-Aid drinking fanboys that will never leave even if a phone melted in their pocket and scarred the for life. You can't beat brainwashing. As someone who has had Macs for 13 years now, I've never discovered what that brainwashing technique is as I've ditched Apple whenever something better was an option (Most of my AppleTVs got replaced with FireTVs and/or NVidia Shields; I bought a Windows phone three years ago because it was dirt cheap and met my needs fine and I'm finding trying Windows 10 on my Mac Mini that it's not too bad at all, really and "most" of my software is readily available in Windows and even older versions of Photoshop I had before getting my first Mac still work in Windows 10). Screw Apple. They remove crap just to remove it. They are not poor. They do not even do a good job maintaining what they have despite that. Apple used to "just work". It's just sad when Windows 10 is more stable at networking than Apple. I don't know how long you could run Windows 10 without a reboot (given Microsoft's forced updates, probably not long enough), but what good is not rebooting when the movies being served freeze randomly? Killing the NFSD process (or SMBD if using SMB) gets it working again so it's clearly the networking protocol or something connected directly to it. The fact it doesn't happen in Windows (thus far anyway) points to Apple at blame. It never did that with El Capitan. I suppose I could go back, but sooner or later browsers, etc. will be not updated for it. Mojave would have at least given me several years to continue to use it as a server. But if I have to use Windows 10 as the server instead, what's the point?
The hundreds of millions of iPhone customers who have bought iPhones lacking a headphone jack are proof Apple knew what they’re doing.
Google, Samsung and others have ditched the jack as well, it really is time to get over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah everybody’s greedy, we get it, and Apple is the greediest of them all
And market research revealed that many, many customers wanted to pay more for their iPhone, so Apple increased pricing. The hundreds of millions of customers who have paid that price are proof this is true.
Google and Samsung have also increased their prices, so everyone should just pay up and not complain. Apple isn’t greedy, I get it
See bits about Apple doing things their way which includes the headphones jack.
NOW, how does your question relate to the topic? Oh, that's right. You're just part of the Kool-Aid brigade.
Nope. But Apple’s market research did show that some customers would pay a higher price for a higher spec phone. The tens of millions who’ve bought X/XS/XS Max proves they were right, as usual. But of course, they also knew they had to continue to have a phone in the $699-799 range of the 8/8 Plus. So we have the XR, which is outselling two to one the XS and XS Max combined.
Unfortunately for Google and Samsung, even though they may remove the headphone jack and increase prices in an attempt to mimic Apple... they’re no Apple, and they have no pricing power. Both sell only a small fraction of what Apple sells in the expensive—and quite lucrative, at least for Apple—flagship smartphone market segment.Google and Samsung have also increased their prices, so everyone should just pay up and not complain. Apple isn’t greedy, I get it
With the continued severe decline in sales of their high-priced Galaxy and Note offerings, it wouldn’t surprise me if Samsung abandoned the higher tier altogether. Google may eventually do the same; they’ve already bailed completely on tablets.
But I doubt dumping the headphone jack will make any difference to the trajectory of Samsung or Google’s high end market share. I see nothing but continued erosion against Chinese manufacturers. Luckily, Apple doesn’t compete in the cutthroat Android market.
I guess there are only two (black and white sides with no shades of grey). What’s the other side now?See bits about Apple doing things their way which includes the headphones jack.
NOW, how does your question relate to the topic? Oh, that's right. You're just part of the Kool-Aid brigade.
I can't find out what he had to remove in the article. Can you quote it for me?
I've answered your question in the reply above.
He removed the barometric vent. Also, the phone was no longer waterproof and he still couldn't charge and listen to music at the same time.
Little off-topic, but...
Apple does however compete in the Asian market, which is largely those same Chinese manufacturers and consumers paying way less for surprisingly well-designed phones. With the rumors of XR getting the OLED display (which supposedly drove the price of X and XS up), Apple is slowly starting to focus on lowering pricing again, considering how next year the 2019 OLED XR could be a 600$ device when the next gen is launched (could be a great lineup without any "home-button phones"). With a 48% share of their Q2 profit, iPhone just has to do well.
No surprise if they can't keep selling the iPhone 11 at current pricing if the XR is inching closer to the same experience, hence the (ridiculous) rumored "Pro" marketing and the "exclusive" addition of a third camera. Wouldn't be surprised if high-end iPhone sales dropped further or XR pricing went up or both. Greed is not really a word I would use, I'm just saying how a for-profit company makes decisions based on, well, profit. Clever marketing makes everyone, including me, buy it anyway (although my second-hand XS was 300€ cheaper than new). It's not a big deal or a secret, I'm not mad or a Tim Cook hater, just saying how it is.
Samsung is already very successful in the low/mid-tier market as is all other competition. I don't think they'll abandon their high-end phones anytime soon (would be the best possible news for Apple!), but rather continue to offer "next year's iPhone's" features at competitive pricing like they have done for years and meanwhile compete with the Android market with their A-series phones.
Thanks. The charging thing was a result of having to alter the chips and whatnot, not of the space inside phone that we're discussing. So waterproofing required that extra component which took the place of the jack, along with other new components elsewhere in the phone obviously.
One could however argue that a Galaxy Note 8 fits a whole stylus and headphone jack in the same footprint as an 8 Plus. It wasn't really an engineering problem, no matter how Apple tells the story.
1) Apple’s fierce brand loyalty and extremely high customer satisfaction scores have zero to do with marketing.
2) “Everyone” doesn’t buy it; Apple has relatively low market share compared to Android—about 15% vs. 85%, and even loyal Apple customers are keeping iPhones 3-4 years.
3) You’re all over the place, one minute the 11R is $600, the next you wouldn’t be surprised if 11R was $800 or higher.
In any case, having veered far afield of the topic—the fact that Samsung has finally realized that not even their customers care about the headphone jack—I’m out. Have a good day.
1) Whatever you want to believe
2) Not sure what you’re replying to, no new info for me here
3) You misread, 800$ or higher now, cheaper next year when “12R” launches
Uh, that is 24% actually care. The rest say it would either be a nice bonus or don’t care. That isn’t the majority.
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This was the post I replied to with the 24% only actually care. Whoops, my bad.
You’re conflating 2 events. The drop in sales this year likely is a separate even from the headphone jack.
Recall the iPhone 7 year when the headphone jack was removed. Apple put up the 2nd best iPhone numbers of all time, only next to the iPhone 6 which finally gave us large screens.
So three years after the headphone jack was removed 24% in 2018 didn’t buy an new iPhone or upgrade. That doesn’t track.
Man, you guys struggle with basic cause and effect. It would be just as silly to say Samsung’s mobile losses came after Apple decided to lose the headphone jack and/or when Samsung decided to keep it in 2017.
Looks at Samsung Mobile performance since 2017. It’s been terrible...headphone jack and all.
The entire smartphone industry has slowed.