Samsung Removes Ad Mocking iPhone's Lack of Headphone Jack After Following Suit With Galaxy Note 10

[JackStrawFromWichit4]

Space issues... https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/07/iphone-7-modded-headphone-jack/

Lol!

Lol is right. Read a little bit more about the link you posted and you’ll realize you proved my point for me. The guy had to remove something to make this work.

You still haven’t told me why Apple still includes the jack on many of its other devices if the main goal was to sell AirPods...

 

[Shirasaki]

Every mega companies out there:
You can remove all you want, but you cannot remove the history or alter it in anyway. What is done is done.
But I choose to not believe they know this.
So, jump on headphone jack bandwagon and decide to erase the trace. Nice clutch move here. That’s why we cannot have nice things.
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Apple thinks wireless earphones provide a better experience than corded headphones. They think Bluetooth is better than a cord for an in-car scenario. And with a Bluetooth speaker. It’s really that simple. No conspiracy theories necessary.

Nice mention of Apple here, otherwise I would just treat the entire “Bluetooth audio sounds better” as pure garbage.
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because most of the planet has moved on from wires.

I am looking inside my Mac and iPhone. Still plenty of wires. Some are just not the conventional wires we use to charge devices.
And the internet backbone is still built upon wire.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Anyone that has ever had their Wi-Fi or other wireless device cut out on them do to a signal disruption (interference from a microwave or other device, generally lower signals, whatever) KNOWS that wired will always be more reliable than wireless and faster as well unless it's abandoned as it's far easier to develop without being hamstrung by the very real limitations of a crowded broadcast spectrum.

Many people place convenience over quality and then bad mouth the higher quality alternatives with seemingly no conception of what quality means. These are probably the same people that watch movies on a tiny phone screen, listen with cheap ear buds (air buds), think stock car stereos are good enough, drive slow (because their cars have 100 horsepower), wish the car would drive itself so they can Facebook more, have no idea how to drive a stick or fix anything around the house, think Budweiser or some craft watermelon beer is quality booze, never heard of single malt or Dolby Atmos and complain about chrome wheels being for old people....

What a shame it is these mass consumers that lead a premium brand like Apple to conclude that crap quality is "good enough" to make a sale so why bother? Apple used to care about quality. If they replaced serial ports with USB it was because it as BETTER all around, not just more convenient or a reason to sell dongles (Lightning instead of USB-C).

Desktops SHOULD have jacks. They should be connected to quality speakers and at least gigabit (if not 10 gigabit) Ethernet. WiFi has more overhead, is less secure and prone to interference. Desktops are not meant to be portable, so questioning why they should have dedicated jacks is absurd.

Other decisions by Apple are even worse. Having one port (USB-C only) on a notebook is not convenient at all. Throwing out MagSafe without a USB-C alternative is going backwards. There's a point where things are "thin" enough and overall speed, convenience and productivity shouldn't be undermined for a 0.5mm thinner case that weighs two ounces less. Who makes these decisions at Apple and what makes them think that makes sense?

Why have a Macbook and Macbook Air that are almost identical while refusing to offer a single tower desktop outside some insanely overpriced workstation class under the umbrella of cannibalism of not comparable iMac sales? Why does "Pro" mean nothing at Apple anymore? Why does Apple defend that stupid touch bar while insisting there is no use for a touch screen, even for Windows 10 Boot Camp compatibility that then drives potential customers away for no reason? Why does Apple solder things instead of use standard connectors for no other reason than to stop customers from upgrading their computers and increasing waste while claiming being environmentally friendly?

The answer to all those questions is the belief (even if incorrect) that it will increase profits. This is the failure of Capitalism. When profit trumps morality and quality and even convenience at every opportunity, even clueless people eventually notice they're being ripped off. Steve Jobs wanted to empower people to do great things and reinvested a lot of profits into new products. Tim Cook wants to empower himself to buy another yacht and put those profits in his bank account and those of the stock holders. Apple has become just another soulless corporation out to worship the almighty dollar and it's kind of sad for those of us that appreciated innovation and quality as they are no longer important to Apple.

 

[I7guy]

Anyone that has ever had their Wi-Fi or other wireless device cut out on them do to a signal disruption (interference from a microwave or other device, generally lower signals, whatever) KNOWS that wired will always be more reliable than wireless and faster as well unless it's abandoned as it's far easier to develop without being hamstrung by the very real limitations of a crowded broadcast spectrum.

Many people place convenience over quality and then bad mouth the higher quality alternatives with seemingly no conception of what quality means. These are probably the same people that watch movies on a tiny phone screen, listen with cheap ear buds (air buds), think stock car stereos are good enough, drive slow (because their cars have 100 horsepower), wish the car would drive itself so they can Facebook more, have no idea how to drive a stick or fix anything around the house, think Budweiser or some craft watermelon beer is quality booze, never heard of single malt or Dolby Atmos and complain about chrome wheels being for old people....

What a shame it is these mass consumers that lead a premium brand like Apple to conclude that crap quality is "good enough" to make a sale so why bother? Apple used to care about quality. If they replaced serial ports with USB it was because it as BETTER all around, not just more convenient or a reason to sell dongles (Lightning instead of USB-C).

Desktops SHOULD have jacks. They should be connected to quality speakers and at least gigabit (if not 10 gigabit) Ethernet. WiFi has more overhead, is less secure and prone to interference. Desktops are not meant to be portable, so questioning why they should have dedicated jacks is absurd.

Other decisions by Apple are even worse. Having one port (USB-C only) on a notebook is not convenient at all. Throwing out MagSafe without a USB-C alternative is going backwards. There's a point where things are "thin" enough and overall speed, convenience and productivity shouldn't be undermined for a 0.5mm thinner case that weighs two ounces less. Who makes these decisions at Apple and what makes them think that makes sense?

Why have a Macbook and Macbook Air that are almost identical while refusing to offer a single tower desktop outside some insanely overpriced workstation class under the umbrella of cannibalism of not comparable iMac sales? Why does "Pro" mean nothing at Apple anymore? Why does Apple defend that stupid touch bar while insisting there is no use for a touch screen, even for Windows 10 Boot Camp compatibility that then drives potential customers away for no reason? Why does Apple solder things instead of use standard connectors for no other reason than to stop customers from upgrading their computers and increasing waste while claiming being environmentally friendly?

The answer to all those questions is the belief (even if incorrect) that it will increase profits. This is the failure of Capitalism. When profit trumps morality and quality and even convenience at every opportunity, even clueless people eventually notice they're being ripped off. Steve Jobs wanted to empower people to do great things and reinvested a lot of profits into new products. Tim Cook wants to empower himself to buy another yacht and put those profits in his bank account and those of the stock holders. Apple has become just another soulless corporation out to worship the almighty dollar and it's kind of sad for those of us that appreciated innovation and quality as they are no longer important to Apple.

I agree wired quality is also better. I don't believe the headphone jack has to be that vehicle. Apple should make sure the lightning port (or usb-c port in the future) has audiophiles covered.

However, it's interesting Samsung agrees with apples.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Every mega companies out there:
You can remove all you want, but you cannot remove the history or alter it in anyway. What is done is done.
But I choose to not believe they know this.
So, jump on headphone jack bandwagon and decide to erase the trace. Nice clutch move here. That’s why we cannot have nice things.
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Nice mention of Apple here, otherwise I would just treat the entire “Bluetooth audio sounds better” as pure garbage.
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I am looking inside my Mac and iPhone. Still plenty of wires. Some are just not the conventional wires we use to charge devices.
And the internet backbone is still built upon wire.

1) Lots of headphone jacks still on Apple products, including the Lightning—>headphone jack adapter.

2) Bluetooth audio sounds better? Yikes, someone needs to recalibrate their ears.

3) Wires are great for some things, including 100% of the power grid. But the internet backbone is fiber.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I agree wired quality is also better. I don't believe the headphone jack has to be that vehicle. Apple should make sure the lightning port (or usb-c port in the future) has audiophiles covered.

However, it's interesting Samsung agrees with apples.

What stereo equipment supports lightning jacks that you should think that is somehow a smart move? If you use a phone's USB-C or Lightning connector, you then nerd an expensive an not included bulky adapter to just have it charge and play audio at the same time instead of a 10 cent 3.5mm audio jack. It doesn't sound like a smart move to me. Apple loves selling those overpriced dongles, though.

Bluetooth is great until your batteries run out or the signal glitches (or sounds like crap when the required (to get decent quality) compression format isn't supported on the other end.

 

[Shirasaki]

2) Bluetooth audio sounds better? Yikes, someone needs to recalibrate their ears.

3) Wires are great for some things, including 100% of the power grid. But the internet backbone is fiber.

I am not claiming “Bluetooth audio is better”. I mean otherwise.

Fibre is another form of wire anyway.

 

[Tech198]

1) Lots of headphone jacks still on Apple products, including the Lightning—>headphone jack adapter.

2) Bluetooth audio sounds better? Yikes, someone needs to recalibrate their ears.

3) Wires are great for some things, including 100% of the power grid. But the internet backbone is fiber.

If you factor in adapters as well, then it just makes the reason look better.. Best to leave it as "headphone jack disappeared in iPhone, and adapters came along later as a separate reason."

Besides, the reason for it going was not because of bezels thinner.. If it was, Apple would have left it in, as thinner bezels also came along later..

They removed it due to the haptic feedback..

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-iPhone-have-to-get-rid-of-the-headphone-jack-for

When Apple tells you the reason for removal, there are still all sorts of conclusions you can come to as the "real reason in people's mind"

 

[InuNacho]

because most of the planet has moved on from wires.

I wonder what those things attached to wall outlets are?

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

because most of the planet has moved on from wires.

Show me one theater (home or cinema) that doesn't have a TON of wires. Wireless has limitations (reliability, bandwidth) and not to mention the need for power will require either batteries or an outlet (unless you have a homemade nuclear reactor powering your device). The idea that "most of the planet" has moved on from "wires" is absurd. I doubt even if it were worded better to just mean headphones, it'd still be wrong. Even if we had Tesla's grand vision for wireless power transmission, you'd still likely need far more precise methods to move power inside buildings and the like, let alone communications and more importantly, secure communications. How do you connect your TV to various playback devices? Airplay? Uh-huh. Try connecting an Atmos powered home theater without any wires.... But then I doubts that you even know what Atmos is.

I weep for the future....

 

[sunapple]

No one said the iPhone 7 couldn’t have been made with a headphone jack; cellphones had always had headphone jacks and obviously even the XS and next month’s iPhone 11 could have a headphone jack if Apple wanted to provide one. But what happens when the entire bottom bezel disappears? Without the large bottom bezel, how does the headphone jack occupy the same space as the folded OLED display and display controller?

Of course I understand the headphone jack occupies valuable space, but they definitely removed it early before it was actually necessary from an engineering point of view. Why? Sales of AirPods - which worked out well. I own AirPods, they're great. I've owned iPhone 7 through XS, and yes, sometimes I'm annoyed by the lack of a headphone jack (or being able to both charge and use the jack with the supplied adapter).

The point is that Apple decided the future was wireless, and they used the courage Samsung lacked to deliberately drive the industry (and customers) to wireless earphones—kicking and screaming if necessary. There’s no doubt that the headphone jack occupies space that can be used by other components. In an iPhone, space is at a premium.

I love that you're actually buying Apple's marketing. But hey, Apple does push the industry and now you can look back and see that it's the way of the future. If we're discussing why Apple cut the headphone jack early instead of when it actually became an engineering problem, you could see how this was about sales and money. Samsung proved you could keep the headphone jack for a bit longer if you wanted to.

Instead of looking at the facts and drawing a conclusion, you started with your conclusion and ignore facts that don’t fit.

That's not true. Just because you think you're right, doesn't mean I can't think I'm right or comment my theory without immediately providing an essay along with it. You didn't provide me with real arguments at first either. I've got a few for you now, now that you've stated your theory.

If “it’s all about money”, how do you explain the fact that Apple has supplied 100+ million free Lightning headphone adapters so that customers wouldn’t have to buy AirPods? Are they just stupid? Why wouldn’t Apple drop the jack from laptops? Desktops? 100+ million iPads sold during the last three years?

Don't get me wrong, I love the company and the mission and vision, but Apple is mostly about turning a great profit in hardware sales, just a fact.

The argument that 'free' Lightning adapters are included is weak, it's a clumsy way of connecting your 'old' headphones (which now do seem rather 'old'), it gets lost, it can't charge your phone at the same time, it's annoying. For some, it may just be an extra nudge to buy AirPods. They provided you with a weak solution to their artificially-made problem and already ditched it with iPhone XS.

Macs and iPads are only 20% of Apple hardware sales and I'm betting iPhone are used more as well, especially as a music listening device (on-the-go usage is also a big part of wireless convenience and fits iPhone better as well). If you're going to force wireless headphones on people, you start with iPhone. They'd be screwing a lot of professionals over too, removing the jack from Macs. (EDIT: Just remembered my iPad Pro also did not feature a headphone jack, it's spreading)

Apple thinks wireless earphones provide a better experience than corded headphones. They think Bluetooth is better than a cord for an in-car scenario. And with a Bluetooth speaker. It’s really that simple. No conspiracy theories necessary.

Well, I'm here to tell you it's not that simple. I'm not saying I don't believe Bluetooth is great (of course it is), I'm just saying it was also a scheme to sell more AirPods.

and they used the courage [..] to deliberately drive the industry (and customers) to wireless earphones—kicking and screaming if necessary.

Exactly.

Lol is right. Read a little bit more about the link you posted and you’ll realize you proved my point for me. The guy had to remove something to make this work.

You still haven’t told me why Apple still includes the jack on many of its other devices if the main goal was to sell AirPods...

I can't find out what he had to remove in the article. Can you quote it for me?

I've answered your question in the reply above.

 

[Shirasaki]

What are the rest of the cases?

Vastly inferior sound quality (think about 128kbps MP3 quality). Drops and signal interference. Need to recharge every now and then. To name a few.

 

[smirking]

Lol is right. Read a little bit more about the link you posted and you’ll realize you proved my point for me. The guy had to remove something to make this work.

What did the guy end up removing? It wasn't mentioned in the MR article and I didn't want to watch the whole video.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Of course I understand the headphone jack occupies valuable space, but they definitely removed it early before it was actually necessary from an engineering point of view. Why? Sales of AirPods - which worked out well. I own AirPods, they're great. I've owned iPhone 7 through XS, and yes, sometimes I'm annoyed by the lack of a headphone jack (or being able to both charge and use the jack with the supplied adapter).



I love that you're actually buying Apple's marketing. But hey, Apple does push the industry and now you can look back and see that it's the way of the future. If we're discussing why Apple cut the headphone jack early instead of when it actually became an engineering problem, you could see how this was about sales and money. Samsung proved you could keep the headphone jack for a bit longer if you wanted to.



That's not true. Just because you think you're right, doesn't mean I can't think I'm right or comment my theory without immediately providing an essay along with it. You didn't provide me with real arguments at first either. I've got a few for you now, now that you've stated your theory.



Don't get me wrong, I love the company and the mission and vision, but Apple is mostly about turning a great profit in hardware sales, just a fact.

The argument that 'free' Lightning adapters are included is weak, it's a clumsy way of connecting your 'old' headphones (which now do seem rather 'old'), it gets lost, it can't charge your phone at the same time, it's annoying. For some, it may just be an extra nudge to buy AirPods. They provided you with a weak solution to their artificially-made problem and already ditched it with iPhone XS.

Macs and iPads are only 20% of Apple hardware sales and I'm betting iPhone are used more as well, especially as a music listening device (on-the-go usage is also a big part of wireless convenience and fits iPhone better as well). If you're going to force wireless headphones on people, you start with iPhone. They'd be screwing a lot of professionals over too, removing the jack from Macs.



Well, I'm here to tell you it's not that simple. I'm not saying I don't believe Bluetooth is great (of course it is), I'm just saying it was also a scheme to sell more AirPods.



Exactly.



I can't find out what he had to remove in the article. Can you quote it for me?

I've answered your question in the reply above.

Apple has gotten rid of serial ports, floppies, optical drives and ditched a whole host of connectors on laptops for USB-C/TB3, based on their vision of the best future technology roadmap. If you want to call that “buying Apple’s marketing”, feel free.

You’re convinced Apple removed the headphone jack to push sales of AirPods, but by supplying both Lightning earphones and a Lightning—> headphone jack adapter in the box, exactly zero customers needed to buy AirPods. No one was “forced” to buy wireless headphones. And professionals mostly use USB audio interfaces, not headphone jacks.

Those who bought AirPods did so because they liked the idea of no wires, not because using the included Lightning earphones (or the adapter with 3.5-equipped earphones) was so “clumsy” or “annoying”. As upsetting as it may be, once again Apple was right, and they showed everyone else the future—as usual.

After 35 or 40 years, it does get rather tiresome hearing complaints about how overpriced Apple is. The latest incarnation of that complaint—Tim Cook is greedy/Apple only cares about profits/Apple only cares about shareholders and its stock price, not customers—is equally tiresome. But feel free to believe in whatever conspiracies or “schemes” please you.

No one is forced to buy outrageously overpriced products from the greedy Apple run by Scrooge McCook. Buy from whatever company pleases you. Both iOS and Mac have very small market share compared to Android and Windows. Most people don’t buy Apple, and that’s ok with me. Apple’s fine with that too.

Keeping the headphone jack until 2016 or later like Samsung is apparently what it would have taken to please you, but it doesn’t seem like Apple was all that interested in doing so. Maybe ten or twenty years from now people will have gotten over it. Or maybe they still be complaining about it, who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[sunapple]

Apple has gotten rid of serial ports, floppies, optical drives and ditched a whole host of connectors on laptops for USB-C/TB3, based on their vision of the best future technology roadmap. If you want to call that “buying Apple’s marketing”, feel free.

You’re convinced Apple removed the headphone jack to push sales of AirPods, but by supplying both Lightning earphones and a Lightning—> headphone jack adapter in the box, exactly zero customers needed to buy AirPods. No one was “forced” to buy wireless headphones. And professionals mostly use USB audio interfaces, not headphone jacks.

Those who bought AirPods did so because they liked the idea of no wires, not because using the included Lightning earphones (or the adapter with 3.5-equipped earphones) was so “clumsy” or “annoying”. As upsetting as it may be, once again Apple was right, and they showed everyone else the future—as usual.

After 35 or 40 years, it does get rather tiresome hearing complaints about how overpriced Apple is. The latest incarnation of that complaint—Tim Cook is greedy/Apple only cares about profits/Apple only cares about shareholders and its stock price, not customers—is equally tiresome. But feel free to believe in whatever conspiracies or “schemes” please you.

No one is forced to buy outrageously overpriced products from the greedy Apple run by Scrooge McCook. Buy from whatever company pleases you. Both iOS and Mac have very small market share compared to Android and Windows. Most people don’t buy Apple, and that’s ok with me. Apple’s fine with that too.

Keeping the headphone jack until 2016 or later like Samsung is apparently what it would have taken to please you, but it doesn’t seem like Apple was all that interested in doing so. Maybe ten or twenty years from now people will have gotten over it. Or maybe they still be complaining about it, who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apparently, now I'm in the same category as:

The latest incarnation of that complaint—Tim Cook is greedy/Apple only cares about profits/Apple only cares about shareholders and its stock price, not customers—is equally tiresome. But feel free to believe in whatever conspiracies or “schemes” please you.

You don't have to lecture me about Apple's history or the complaints about Apple throughout the years, I've lived it all. Don't assume I'm all against Apple's policies or that I don't believe in them, I've heavily invested in Apple products in the last 15 years, having owned over 200 products. Heck, the Apple logo and name are in my avatar and username.

I'm also not saying I was forced to buy AirPods, or that I would rather buy from Samsung. This is just about the headphone jack, which in the grand scheme of things is not that important. I'm not even complaining about it (except stating as an example that, yes, it can be annoying), I bought the AirPods and am satisfied.

It's just that, as a fan of Apple, it's still possible to also not just buy into their reasoning behind every decision, but to look at all the facts and see that they are not as perfect as they want you to believe. Which is fine, it's just that apparently you don't see it like I do.

Yes, it’s true. While Services is still growing rapidly—it was up 13 percent over last year’s quarter—it’s not the fastest mover in Apple’s portfolio. That’s the category formerly known as Other, and recently relabeled as Wearable/Home/Accessories. The home of Apple Watch and AirPods has seen 10 straight quarters of double-digit percentage growth. After seven straight quarters with growth percentages in the 30s, the category revenue shot up 48 percent this quarter.

Wearables/Home/Accessories represented 10 percent of Apple’s overall business, making it larger than the iPad and almost as large as the Mac.

source

I may be making some assumptions, like you do as well, but we can both see here how important the "Other" category is to Apple. This includes all dongles sold after they ditched regular ports and AirPods which are more populair because regular headphones are not as convenient (try and charge your phone while listening to Lightning headphones).

Is wireless the future? Yes. Does Apple profit from ditching ports? Yes. Is Samsung now catching up and is their argument that it was only about a 2-3 percent increase in battery bogus? Yes.

 

[Kabeyun]

I am looking inside my Mac and iPhone. Still plenty of wires. Some are just not the conventional wires we use to charge devices.
And the internet backbone is still built upon wire.

You really think those kinds of wires are the wires he’s talking about?

 

[Shirasaki]

You really think those kinds of wires are the wires he’s talking about?

I know what he is talking about. But based on his comment alone without context, his point is simply invalid. Even with some context, say, wired headphone, it is not out of the world any time soon. I can still see plenty of people using earbuds coming with their iPhone or whatever buds coming with their android device to listen to something, alongside a good chunk of AirPods users. I admit there are not “many” wired headphone users nowadays, but certainly not the level of “gone and phased out completely”, which is the basic idea of his post.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Apparently, now I'm in the same category as:



You don't have to lecture me about Apple's history or the complaints about Apple throughout the years, I've lived it all. Don't assume I'm all against Apple's policies or that I don't believe in them, I've heavily invested in Apple products in the last 15 years, having owned over 200 products. Heck, the Apple logo and name are in my avatar and username.

I'm also not saying I was forced to buy AirPods, or that I would rather buy from Samsung. This is just about the headphone jack, which in the grand scheme of things is not that important. I'm not even complaining about it (except stating as an example that, yes, it can be annoying), I bought the AirPods and am satisfied.

It's just that, as a fan of Apple, it's still possible to also not just buy into their reasoning behind every decision, but to look at all the facts and see that they are not as perfect as they want you to believe. Which is fine, it's just that apparently you don't see it like I do.


source

I may be making some assumptions, like you do as well, but we can both see here how important the "Other" category is to Apple. This includes all dongles sold after they ditched regular ports and AirPods which are more populair because regular headphones are not as convenient (try and charge your phone while listening to Lightning headphones).

Is wireless the future? Yes. Does Apple profit from ditching ports? Yes. Is Samsung now catching up and is their argument that it was only about a 2-3 percent increase in battery bogus? Yes.

Oh good grief, now we’re proceeding to the “Apple’s getting rich on adapters” BS. Spare me.

I don’t care if you’re the world’s biggest Apple fan and own one of everything they ever made, or hate everything Apple does. Your complaints are years-old, unoriginal and unsupported. I’m bored.

 

[sunapple]

Oh good grief, now we’re proceeding to the “Apple’s getting rich on adapters” BS. Spare me.

I don’t care if you’re the world’s biggest Apple fan and own one of everything they ever made, or hate everything Apple does. Your complaints are years-old, unoriginal and unsupported. I’m bored.

Unsupported complaints... Sure, if you ignore my arguments and dumb it down to a complaint when I’m actually not complaining. This is not worth the trouble.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Unsupported complaints... Sure, if you ignore my arguments and dumb it down to a complaint when I’m actually not complaining. This is not worth the trouble.

Your arguments are unpersuasive. Complaints about Apple getting rid of the headphone jack are worn out. So are conspiracy theories about Apple getting rid of ports so they can get rich off adapters.

Provide some evidence instead of guesses, conjecture and unsupported supposition.

 

[sunapple]

Your arguments are unpersuasive. Complaints about Apple getting rid of the headphone jack are worn out. So are conspiracy theories about Apple getting rid of ports so they can get rich off adapters.

Provide some evidence instead of guesses, conjecture and unsupported supposition.

Calling my comments conspiracy theories is such a cliche way to be dismissive of what I’m actually saying. And yes, it’s mostly speculation because there are no specific sales figures.

From your comments it’s clear you’re never going to change your mind about this so why you still want to “discuss” It is a mystery to me. You know I can’t provide sales figures because they’re not available and you don’t want to reply to the article I brought up which is the closest thing I can provide.

It remains a theory that to me is most likely true, I don’t have much more to say. Can’t say I’ve heard a compelling argument from your side, other than what Phill Schiller would say, you know, the VP of marketing.

 

[Abazigal]

Show me one theater (home or cinema) that doesn't have a TON of wires. Wireless has limitations (reliability, bandwidth) and not to mention the need for power will require either batteries or an outlet (unless you have a homemade nuclear reactor powering your device). The idea that "most of the planet" has moved on from "wires" is absurd. I doubt even if it were worded better to just mean headphones, it'd still be wrong. Even if we had Tesla's grand vision for wireless power transmission, you'd still likely need far more precise methods to move power inside buildings and the like, let alone communications and more importantly, secure communications. How do you connect your TV to various playback devices? Airplay? Uh-huh. Try connecting an Atmos powered home theater without any wires.... But then I doubts that you even know what Atmos is.

I weep for the future....

I see it more as Apple trying to reduce the incidence that users have to interact with wires, rather than cutting down on the number of wires.

For example, the back of my TV is a rat's nest of wires. There's the TV's power cord, plus an Apple TV, and a HDMI cable running to a satellite receiver. But when I am sitting on the couch, I am able to airplay whatever content I want from my iOS devices to the TV.

I have optic fiber internet, but my devices all run on wifi (even the iMac in my study room). The only cable runs to my router in the living room. My iMac has a wireless keyboard, trackpad and mouse.

My AirPods charge via lightning, but connect to my iPhone wirelessly.

At work, I have a usb dock that connects to my laptop via a single usb c cable, but there are easily 3-4 cables running to it on the other end. The benefit here is that I need to only disconnect one cable as opposed to 3-4 every time I want to hook up my laptop.

Thanks to my iPad's long battery life, I only need to charge it at night, and I don't have to worry about plugging it in again for the rest of the day. With an Apple TV, I don't have to be tethered to the teacher's desk at the front of the class. I am free to be anywhere I wish in the room, even though the TV itself uses 2 cables.

With airdrop, I can fling files around without needing a usb cable.

So there are a ton of wires in my life, but I only have to set them up once and then I don't have to deal with them again. Subsequently, all interaction is carried out wirelessly (or with just a single cable).

That's likely what Apple is moving towards. Not about declaring war on cables, but making them more manageable for the end user.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Calling my comments conspiracy theories is such a cliche way to be dismissive of what I’m actually saying. And yes, it’s mostly speculation because there are no specific sales figures.

From your comments it’s clear you’re never going to change your mind about this so why you still want to “discuss” It is a mystery to me. You know I can’t provide sales figures because they’re not available and you don’t want to reply to the article I brought up which is the closest thing I can provide.

It remains a theory that to me is most likely true, I don’t have much more to say. Can’t say I’ve heard a compelling argument from your side, other than what Phill Schiller would say, you know, the VP of marketing.

What’s to reply about the MacWorld article? Nothing there supports your speculation.

Samsung eventually reached the same conclusion that Apple did years ago: the headphone jack is an unnecessary waste of space, where space is at a premium. It’s just not needed, for the vast majority of users. Plug in the included Lightning earphones and enjoy. Or use the adapter. No one is being forced to buy AirPods or any other Bluetooth headphones.

Apple is well known to leave behind technology when they think it’s outlived its usefulness for most of their customers. They did plenty of market research. They know their market, and many, many people told them they didn’t really care about losing the headphone jack.

 

[Shirasaki]

Regardless of how people bicker here, I only know one thing: marketing is legally telling lies. The true motivation of Apple removing headphone jack will remain a mystery, so does Samsung. There is no technology advancement. There is only trade-off. Wireless headphone is still more expensive than wired headphone and provide sound quality proportional to the price similar to wired headphone, with the exception of AirPods and any Beats headphone.

Wire itself will never go away. Wired headphone however, may become a niche category that true music lovers will embrace, where most other people just grab random Bluetooth headphone from random brands and call it a day.

 

[sunapple]

What’s to reply about the MacWorld article? Nothing there supports your speculation.

Samsung eventuallyn reached the same conclusion that Apple did years ago: the headphone jack is an unnecessary waste of space, where space is at a premium. It’s just not needed, for the vast majority of users. Plug in the included Lightning earphones and enjoy. Or use the adapter. No one is being forced to buy AirPods or any other Bluetooth headphones

It doesn't have to be one or the other, surely they made a move towards a wireless future and surely some people are fine with using the adapter, for example, people with adequate battery life on their phones. People are however forced, eventually, to buy a phone without headphone jack. Apple doesn't sell them anymore if I'm correct. How they solve this issue is up to them, buying AirPods or Beats headphones seems to be a popular solution.

When Apple pulled the CD drive and Ethernet port from laptops, it started with one model: the first MacBook Air. It was overpriced, underpowered, and clearly meant for early adopters, designed to pave the way for a more interesting future a couple years down the road. This was a product that would only reach a niche market; Apple was just a minor player in laptops at the time — in seventh place, according to a 2008 report. That allowed for a quieter transition period, as CDs went away and the App Store came to life.

That’s far from the case this time around. Apple sets the standard when it comes to smartphones, and it’s pulling the headphone jack from its primary model and asking the masses to deal with it, without obvious reasons why.

No one’s saying that Apple is wrong about wireless being the future. But the notion that it needed to remove the headphone jack now, and in this way, to improve the iPhone isn’t credible. Apple is advancing a vision of computing that lets it capitalize further on a quickly growing market, bringing headphones more firmly within the company’s ecosystem. What killing the headphone jack really does is help Bluetooth headphone companies. That makes it a business decision, and not much more.

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I couldn't agree more, this is my opinion as well. But hey, to each their own.

They know their market, and many, many people told them they didn’t really care about losing the headphone jack.

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