Non-sense to you maybe. It's still a fact that aside from the GPU and camera, the iPhone 4S shipped with outdated specs. However, I wouldn't trade the SGX543MP2 for anything else right now.
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Samsung Reportedly Dethrones Apple as Top Smartphone Vendor in Q3 2011
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Non-sense to you maybe. It's still a fact that aside from the GPU and camera, the iPhone 4S shipped with outdated specs. However, I wouldn't trade the SGX543MP2 for anything else right now.
Anything that disagrees with your opinion can't be real.It was posted on an Android fan site. I doubt they were making up stats to make Apple good.
First, I posted those benchmarks as examples. Feel free to search for more. Second, you seem to have ignored the GLBenchmark.
The only spec where iPhone 4S is better than SGSII is GPU. SGSII has much faster CPU and it wins in all those browsing tests when tested with a browser that utilized both CPU cores. iPhone 4S is slower in browsing, app loading, WiFi and 3G performance.
Non-sense to me, my wife and a majority of 4 million people who also bought the iPhone 4S. Most users could care less about hardware specs. Hardware specs don't sell phones. Some people still don't understand that.
I bought the iPhone 4S based on its specs (ie, the GPU). What makes you think your anecdotal opinion is better than mine ?
And I said a majority. I did not say everyone. Sorry if you don't understand the difference between the two.
I never said you said everyone, I put into question your use of majority. What makes you think the majority didn't buy the iPhone 4S based on specs ? (the camera with 1080p video recording, the dual-core A5 processor with best in class GPU, the augmented storage capacity of 64 GB). Face it, that's your opinion, stop trying to push it as fact.
Fact : I bought the iPhone 4S based on specs.
Also, you do realise that the majority of smartphones buyers do not buy iPhones right ? If all those other phones are sold based on specs, and the majority of buyers buys these other phones... wouldn't it stand to reason the majority do go for specs, and it's the minority that doesn't that buys iPhones ?
Frankly, no one knows why people really buy smartphones and what makes them choose the model they do end up with. There's probably a variety of factors of which all are probably equally represented, including : software lock-in, phone specs, user experience, cool marketing, visual appeal of the handset, etc.. etc..
There's no single truth like you try to claim there is. Hence why every eco-system is mostly doing well (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, BB) and why most vendors are also selling tons of units. Apple is not the only one having success in this space. They happen to be one of the successful players, along with Samsung, RIM, HTC, Nokia, Motorola, LG and others. Some are declining, some are on an upswing, but for now, it's going somewhat well for everyone.
I think to some degree you're right. But I also think you're wrong. And here's why...
To the uninformed masses - marketing has taught them that bigger is better.
That's why you have people buying 14MP cameras when all they do is post on facebook and would be more than fine with a 3MP
That's why they'll choose the TV with a 1,000,000:1 contrast ration when it's completely meaningless.
It's why people will buy a powerhouse specced up computer when all they do is their taxes and surf the net.
On some level specs don't matter because they are a foreign language. But when push comes to shove and someone doesn't understand the tech - they can and will be more impressed with better specs when "sold"
It must really must irk you thinking of the 4 million users who decided to buy the iPhone 4S over an Android phone. And to think these same people could have had a BOGO Android phone offer
Nope. iPhone 4S has nothing on SGSII there. In fact, when PC World tested the two phones they gave higher marks to SGSII. But both phones were close in these tests. Some reviewers may rand iPhone 4S higher but again not by much which means that the two cameras are equally good or bad depending on what the standard is
). Some reviewers also falsely claim that SGSII does not have image stabilization. It does. In fact, every other flagship (for the given manufacturer) smartphone on the market has image stabilization. Nobody trumpets it though because digital stabilization is mostly a gimmick. Apple made a big fuss about it during their presentation probably because the phone did not have much on iPhone 4 otherwise.
No doubt that our society has an appetite for anything bigger, anything faster and anything cheaper. I think in the case of the iPhone people see how well Apple has integrated the hardware and software to give the user a seamless experience. I really think that is why the iPhone is selling so well. People are in a hurry and want something that will get what they want done without a lot of hassle. The main reason why I bought the iPhone is because of how it gives me the ability to sync up all my calendar and address book data with all my Macs and iDevices. Siri has turned out to be a indispensable tool to me. And it does not hurt that the iPhone is a beautiful thing to look at.
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Fact still remains, hardware specs do not sell phones. Try to spin anyway you want.
It must really must irk you thinking of the 4 million users who decided to buy the iPhone 4S over an Android phone. And to think these same people could have had a BOGO Android phone offer
Why? There are 7 billion people on Earth. Do you know how many of them did not buy iPhone 4S? Is must be irking you really bad, right? The fact that people buy twice as much Android phones must be hurting you too. Or the fact that Samsung sold more smart phones in Q3 than Apple, how bad is that?
The only thing that would hurt me is if I had a bad phone but I don't. I have Galaxy SII.
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So you don't have an iPhone? Then I must politely ask why you are posting on this forum? Surely someone who doesn't own an Apple product shouldn't be spending there time posting on an Apple centric site right? That is unless you own some other Apple product such as a mac. But then, this begs the question..why are you posting in an iPhone thread when you don't have an iPhone?
I think your time might be better served going to an android site to post, because you'll be surrounded by more like minded people who share your beliefs.
I mean, I'm not a religious person but I don't think it's my job to go around to churches and preach my agnostic ways. Why? Because that would be demonstrating very odd, perhaps unhealthy behavior.
You have yourself a fine evening sir.
So you don't have an iPhone? Then I must politely ask why you are posting on this forum? Surely someone who doesn't own an Apple product shouldn't be spending there time posting on an Apple centric site right? That is unless you own some other Apple product such as a mac. But then, this begs the question..why are you posting in an iPhone thread when you don't have an iPhone?
I think your time might be better served going to an android site to post, because you'll be surrounded by more like minded people who share your beliefs.
I mean, I'm not a religious person but I don't think it's my job to go around to churches and preach my agnostic ways. Why? Because that would be demonstrating very odd, perhaps unhealthy behavior.
You have yourself a fine evening sir.
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Sure, but i will not return my SGS2, rather i will not buy the iPhone 4S, lets see what 5 will be, but somehow i think i skip to 6, but we will see At momment am happy with SGS2, ery happy!!!
Sure, but i will not return my SGS2, rather i will not buy the iPhone 4S, lets see what 5 will be, but somehow i think i skip to 6, but we will see
At momment am happy with SGS2, ery happy!!!I have an iPhone and I'm all Apple at home and at work. That being said - I think it's OK to have a variety of opinions and that sometimes that means hearing opinions that differ from yours. No doubt there are countless people in this thread that disparage the competition from a point of view they really don't have since they don't own those devices. And this thread in particular is about the iPhone AND Samsung. So I think opinions from all vantage points are OK
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Citation needed.
I think you don't quite understand the meaning of the word fact.
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I don't have an Apple TV. Yet I post on this forum. Maybe you want to question yourself exactly as to how an iPhone is required to post here. Apple sells more than 1 product line-up.
It must really must irk you thinking of the 4 million users who decided to buy the iPhone 4S over an Android phone. And to think these same people could have had a BOGO Android phone offer
Why on earth is this "BOGO" claim still thrown around so much. Show me where I can buy a Galaxy SII and get another for free, and I'll be all over it.
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Yeah and I know 10 people returning their iPhone 4s's.
See I can give anecdotal evidence as well.
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How to bring good design to a platform
October 20, 2011 • ∞ •
- Demonstrate from the top that high quality and attention to detail are prioritized and appreciated above everything else, including being the first to market, having the most features, or having the most aggressive prices. If you can get those as well, that’s great, but quality will not be sacrificed to do so.
- Instill these values in your staff. If you can’t, hire a staff for which you can. Better yet, hire a staff for which you don’t need to.
- Aggressively pursue simplification, elegance, craftsmanship, and the highest-class user experiences in the product line. Ruthlessly cut or hold features or entire products that aren’t good enough.
- Make it pretty.
How not to bring good design to a platform
Skip steps 1–3 above.
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Apple pretty much has the next decade in the bag. All they have to do
to remain the consumers' favourite is to respect their own values.
It's silly because UK carriers have been giving away the latest iPhones for free on contract, which in a way, is even cheaper than a BOGO offer (where you have to buy 1 phone and then you get a 2nd phone free... but what if you don't need 2 phones ?).
I don't understand why some people on here feel so threatened by Android when it's plain as day that there is plenty of room in the market for everyone to succeed, Apple, Google, all other OEMs and 3rd parties.
This is a market share game. Multiple vendors with multiple models with better pricing is how the PC beat the Mac in the 90s. I'm worried that history is repeating itself.
There I fixed it for you. Shipped does not mean sales made to customers, it means phones that are shipped to stores and are sitting on store shelves waiting to be sold to customers.
Samsung must have the most brilliant marketing team in the world then, if they are able to convince retailers to perpetually order far more stock than they sell. Alternately, you are accusing Samsung, a large multi-national conglomerate, of either ordering massive production runs of phones they know have no hope of selling or just cooking their numbers.
Regardless, I do remember reading that Apple's numbers don't quite correspond exactly to "phones in consumer's hands" either.
Citation needed.
I think you don't quite understand the meaning of the word fact.
Interesting how the first ad attracted 4 million people in the first three days. So you have me one that one. All those 4 million people must have bought the iPhone 4S based solely on hardware specs
Show that ad to the average user and they will have no idea what dual core means. So again, a majority of people do not buy phones based on hardware specs. Hence, hardware specs do not sell phones. People like you are, who buy based on tech specs, are in the minority.
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If they were truely sales then they would have reported sales and not shipped numbers. And now you are going to tell me Samsung has no way of knowing how many phones they sold. Yes it must be a conspriacy