You just keep digging yourself deeper the more you type. I'm not going to further this lack of debate with you. It's futile.
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Samsung Reportedly Dethrones Apple as Top Smartphone Vendor in Q3 2011
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You just keep digging yourself deeper the more you type. I'm not going to further this lack of debate with you. It's futile.
This thread is about sales.
And, of course, the iPhone 4S has not been beat by the GS2 in any meaningful metric.
I think he realizes that but also knows that has nothing to do with the comment that he made
Duh... Apple only sells three models, the iPhone 4S, 4 and 3GS. Samsung sells god knows how many models, including the crappier, low end phones such as the Intensity.
I am on Apple side and don't like factor the samsung copy and produce 30 models in the market to take advantage.
I own a Galaxy SII, it is no match of iPhone 4s except better spec. Just the factor the phone get so hot when play graphics intensive games, it shows samsung have over engineering it without a balance.
But Apple really should rethink their strategy that they can upgrade their MBA and MBP in 8 months cycle, but with their most important product iphone, they only give minor upgrade in 16 months. Fortunately, many people will just accept whatever Apple throw them regardless it is a 4s or 5. But will they be so luck next time when Google and Samsung aggressively trying to take them in mobile phone market with new models and OS every 2-3 months?
I own a Galaxy SII, it is no match of iPhone 4s except better spec. Just the factor the phone get so hot when play graphics intensive games, it shows samsung have over engineering it without a balance.
But Apple really should rethink their strategy that they can upgrade their MBA and MBP in 8 months cycle, but with their most important product iphone, they only give minor upgrade in 16 months. Fortunately, many people will just accept whatever Apple throw them regardless it is a 4s or 5. But will they be so luck next time when Google and Samsung aggressively trying to take them in mobile phone market with new models and OS every 2-3 months?
Ignoring facts can have bad results
We are all reading teasers from the upcoming Jobs authorized biography about how ignoring facts can have horrible consequences. Well, Apple has been ignoring facts. The phone industry is fashion driven. People want new. People want flashy. Apple has been really really slow to change in comparison to other vendors. They stick with hardware designs for a long time. People walk into a store and see that Apple's phone looks the same as last year's. They look at a screen that seems small. They look at a once revolutionary home screen that is truly unchanged since 2007. It all looks too much the same. Apple chooses to ignore what people want. They cannot get their act together to ship a minor hardware upgrade in July/August when they should (and who thinks rolling out a new device in the Christmas season in many countries is a good idea...).
There are a lot of reasons for Apple to do things this way. However, as poor Steve's recent death shows, there is a cost to ignoring the real world. Sometimes that stubbornness leads to better products. However, in this instance, it leads to diminished sales. Those millions of customers who bought Samsungs in the last quarter are not coming back to Apple for TWO YEARS. Apple has to wake up and move faster. To keep this squarish, glass sandwich in production for two years is a HUGE mistake.
We are all reading teasers from the upcoming Jobs authorized biography about how ignoring facts can have horrible consequences. Well, Apple has been ignoring facts. The phone industry is fashion driven. People want new. People want flashy. Apple has been really really slow to change in comparison to other vendors. They stick with hardware designs for a long time. People walk into a store and see that Apple's phone looks the same as last year's. They look at a screen that seems small. They look at a once revolutionary home screen that is truly unchanged since 2007. It all looks too much the same. Apple chooses to ignore what people want. They cannot get their act together to ship a minor hardware upgrade in July/August when they should (and who thinks rolling out a new device in the Christmas season in many countries is a good idea...).
There are a lot of reasons for Apple to do things this way. However, as poor Steve's recent death shows, there is a cost to ignoring the real world. Sometimes that stubbornness leads to better products. However, in this instance, it leads to diminished sales. Those millions of customers who bought Samsungs in the last quarter are not coming back to Apple for TWO YEARS. Apple has to wake up and move faster. To keep this squarish, glass sandwich in production for two years is a HUGE mistake.
Can you not simply provide a definitive list of the 70 smartphones (excluding colour variances) that Samsung shipped in the last quarter instead of random links that includes featurephones like the Samsung Trender? Android, WP7 and Bada. No featurephones.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Trender_id5617
I know you're trying to prove a point but pasting random, meaningless links is getting you nowhere.
Samsung seems to be onto something..
Galaxy S2 was a nice catch-up to iPhone 4.. but Nexus Prime and future S3 seems to be a real nice competitor..
This is coming from all-time iphone user.
Competition is good, and I am most likely switch to S3 to give them a try..
Galaxy S2 was a nice catch-up to iPhone 4.. but Nexus Prime and future S3 seems to be a real nice competitor..
This is coming from all-time iphone user.
Competition is good, and I am most likely switch to S3 to give them a try..
How come when Apple outsells Samsung it's because the iPhone is so great, but when Samsung outsells Apple you guys start claiming quality>quantity?
Most of the people in this thread are what give MacRumors and Apple users their bad name
I get this feeling that a huge percentage of apple consumers buy the product out of obsession for the logo to give themselves identity or self worth.
If only rational thinking was as rampant as evangelical thought with mac loyalists. Its stunningly pathetic of what the cult of mac has become.
How?
Well, you can start with the fact that every meaningful performance metric has the iPhone 4S ahead of the GS2, and the author dismisses it as about equal.
For example:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...laxy-s-ii-is-getting-smoked-for-now-at-least/
Are those real benchmarks? :S The iPhone came out 3 days after that was posted.
This benchmark isn't very fair. For one, it only compares the stock browser of each device. Not many people that I know of use the stock browser on android anyway, and many people have achieved much better benchmarks than the 4s or iPad 2 using Opera or Firefox.
Furthermore, they've used ios 5 (which just came out) and Gingerbread (which is months old). A fairer comparison would be to wait until Ice Cream Sandwich comes out next week. The browser benchmark will be much improved as the new ICS browser will be able to use the dual cores of whichever phone.
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Bridge railings will be filled with the desperate cries of Apple fanboys everywhere today!
Who cares!
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I imagine the truth lies in the fact that most people claiming quality over quantity have never touched the phones they disparage but instead use internet rumor put forth by other Apple enthusiasts.
I'm a pretty loyal Apple customer because I love what I've bought from them. I have no doubt there are other products out there that are equal or even better. I just buy what I like and what I know!
Who cares!
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I imagine the truth lies in the fact that most people claiming quality over quantity have never touched the phones they disparage but instead use internet rumor put forth by other Apple enthusiasts.
I'm a pretty loyal Apple customer because I love what I've bought from them. I have no doubt there are other products out there that are equal or even better. I just buy what I like and what I know!
If they're part of someone's lazy horizontal business model, some of us would prefer to forego the risk entirely. Hence, Android. You can build great hardware around it (mostly because it desperately needs it), but that mega-specced box is still running a poorly-designed, laggy OS. And the OS is the user's one and only interface to all that hardware goodness.
That we were right all along? And so was our "cult leader", Steve Jobs?
Agreed. If Windows boxes, and other phones shared the same specs and price points as Apple's stuff they would not sell. It's bad when a company makes you the whore not the other way around where they are supposed to trip over themselves to compete.
As far as phones and idevices goes, history repeats itself. Apples strategy will not work long term. Refusing to get established in corporate world's and even shunning creative professionals will bite back hard. Casual consumers who don't even know what RAM is are fickle.
MS will be around and in the same shape in a decade, Apple I honestly dont know.
It's been working for over a decade. Or do you mean in 10 more years?
Apple's strategy works consistently because Apple understands consumers. If consumers continue to be consumers (they will, even in a recession, as we have seen), Apple can continue to follow the same strategy with more than an even chance of success - namely, to make one thing a top priority above all others:
User Experience.
10 more. I'm not going back and forth with you. Nothing against you as a person, might be a cool cat. I do not remotely echo any of your Apple glorification.
It did not work in the 80's and 90's, people get bored with stuff over time. People dont want to pay high dollar forever, one bad experience its done. Apple are not set in business or in pro markets (as much) linux and custom software is used at ILM and Pixar. Gates would make 5x as much with the IMAGE Apple has. IMO.
Anything that disagrees with your opinion can't be real.
It was posted on an Android fan site. I doubt they were making up stats to make Apple good.First, I posted those benchmarks as examples. Feel free to search for more. Second, you seem to have ignored the GLBenchmark.
Except your whole point was that the iPhone 4S is outdated.
I actually use both the Galaxy S II and iPhone 4S everyday, the iPhone is a far superior phone. Couple that with Siri and the iPhone 4S is light years ahead of any current Android phone. Battery life on the Galaxy is horrible compared to the iPhone.
Ship is not the same as actually sold. So maybe Samsung will ship a ton of the Nexus phones. But then a month later a new model will be out that will also flood the market. The only way that the Android phone manufacturers can complete is by quantity not quality.