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What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

Why should Apple be afraid? Apple blew away the competition in designing their SoCs. Only Intel was able to compete with the A7.
 
What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.


Android ripped of IOS totally

Nuff said

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Nice. So they are able to cut ties with Samsung while besmirching its competence and capabilities. Double win, if true.
 
What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

Because it would take so long to find something?
 
Editors, please clarify: Did Samsung drop out (per the headline), or were they dropped (per the body text)? Unprofitable to continue, or penalized for poor performance?

Not that it matters in the big scheme of things. Both are likely to happen at one point or another (and I believe already have).

And as to who's copying who? It's a chicken vs. egg proposition. Evolution, not spontaneous creation. Whether you learn from your competitors' success, or learn from their mistakes, either way you're taking lessons from the other guy. And that, not some totally unique invention developed in a vacuum, is how society progresses.
 
Have to agree. I see a wafer with a bunch of defective chips (the black ones). Not the image to push.

About six percent. That's quite good. You need to realise that 0% defects is not the goal: Producing a wafer costs a certain amount of money. For that money, you get a certain number of working chips. If the defect rate is too low, then you could save money on the production of the wafer with a slightly higher defect rate, and still pay less per working chip. It's only if you go to 30% or 40% and the defect rate means you can't deliver the chips you promised, that's when you are in trouble.
 
Hmmmm but only a few apps are even using the A7 chips full potential. So why even talk about the A8 chip?
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So I guess you are right. It's not worth to talk about things not even used. NFC anyone?
 
Hey, can you supply 35 Million 5.5" retina displays a quarter starting with samples in March '14 and full production by May?

Also, can you build us 35 Million A8 processors? The schematics are attached.

Oh, and please quote 2GB of RAM at the same quantities.

I'm sure Apple obfuscates this as much as possible leaving competing products or specs as long as possible, but at some point they put in a build order and that is a raw information lead over the competitors. Sure Samsung says they have a firewall, but they don't even respect legal ones with regard to Apple, why would a self imposed one mean anything to them?

This still does not make any sense.

A8 processors - No one ever claimed Samsung copied Apple's processors. They use Exynos and Snapdragon. Besides what other processor was going to be built? The A8 is the next processor in Apple's progression.

2GB of RAM - You've got to be kidding. How long have they been using 2GB of RAM?

Screens - This is the funniest of all. They have 1.476 trillion screen sizes with 2.732 billion more ready for release in 2014.

It can be claimed they copied design style from Apple on their earlier products - I completely agree with this by the way. But their current gen of phones are worlds different from Apple's design. With that being said, the original poster's question is still valid. What products can Samsung copy based on components?

Bolded: Whaaa? Samsung doesn't build anything for Apple. Outside of the requested components why would Samsung need or Apple send any other information regarding their products?

Short version: Apple asks for everything in your post. Samsung can copy what?:confused:
 
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the Chinese article article itself said the reporting was based on speculation and rumors. Samsung semiconductor is a very profitable division within Samsung electronics. i would think the easier solution to "penalization" would be to apply credits to subsequent manufacturing volumes.

Editors, please clarify: Did Samsung drop out (per the headline), or were they dropped (per the body text)? Unprofitable to continue, or penalized for poor performance?

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Good, gtfo Samsung. Maybe yields are low from producing these chips, but it's prty unlikely that nominal profits will be made up.

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Good riddance. Let's see what Samsung does when they don't have anyone to steal ideas from. The sooner Samsung fails, the better for technology, honestly.

What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

If you think that iOS7 looks like Android, you should go for an eye test. Android is the most bland, boring, and uninspired UI, period.
 
For some reason I think that Samesung will be able to meet demands for themselves at the 20nm process.

That's exactly what I was wondering myself. What process is Samsung using for their newest chips? Is it 20nm? If so, they must have the fabricating process down pat to produce enough for themselves. Is this just Samsung wanting out of producing for Apple?
 
As a general response to many of the other posts: Samsung and Apple are corporations, not sentient beings, not football clubs, not artists or musicians or poets, writers, movie directors or actors. They're just giant machines whose only purpose is to make money for their shareholders, and thus they don't deserve any fan base.

So pretty much like football clubs, most artists or musicians and movie directors. So according to you, if you are doing something commercial, you don't deserve a fan base. That means the only people who deserve a fan base would be people that are so unsuccessful that they won't have any fans anyway. :)
 
Certainly for the minor demand that they have.

For some reason I think that Samesung will be able to meet demands for themselves at the 20nm process.

However you are foolish to believe that Samsung would let the billions of $$$$$ Apple supplies slip away on purpose. In fact I could see heads rolling at Samsung if this is true. Apple at one time was more than 80% of Samsungs foundry business.

Beyond that I have this feeling that Apple will likely be leveraging older process technologies to keep the older "A" series chips in production. This simply to leverage development costs and to spread out risk. As such we could see an A7 upgrade to the Touch which would be just one example of this in practice.

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Sounds like Apple might be dumping Samsung for good. As long as Apple experiences no delays in chip supply, should be a good thing in the long run.

Actually that sounds nothing at all like that. Take it at face value, Samsung couldn't meet demand requirements. It does no good to read into reporting something that was never said.

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Am I the only one who thinks TSMC has a horrible logo?

:rolleyes:

The logo is almost a perfect fit for the company. It isn't an attempt at a graphics art display of excessive talent.
 
What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

yep, i heard samsung had a fingerprint scanner before apple did.
and samsung had a 64 bit chip before apple did. apple heard samsung was gonna put them in their phones so they copied and put them in 5s. in the end, samsung decided both were rubbish and threw them away :D:D
but of course, joking aside, yes, u r right. however, samsung, with the dodgy practices, knew everything on new apple hardware designs. at least those won't be leaked anymore!
 
Hmmmm but only a few apps are even using the A7 chips full potential. So why even talk about the A8 chip?

Well first that isn't true. Second; do you really believe that A7 delivers all the performance needed in a tablet?

Apples tablets are a long ways from delivering on the vision many of us have with respect to this technology. Apple literally needs to pack more of everything into these machines, ore processing power, more RAM, and more flash storage.
 
About six percent. That's quite good. You need to realize that 0% defects is not the goal
I didn't bother to count them, I just estimated a little below 10%. Mostly I don't think it's a good thing to emphasize on your logo.
 
What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

If you think Apple is following Samsung and Google based on some aesthetic changes to iOS 7, you're missing the big picture. Apple is setting the pace of innovation and dictating to Google and Samsung what the future of mobile is. Just look at the biggest innovations in mobile last year: 64 bit CPUs, dual flash, motion co-processors, iPad Air (10" tablet, just 1 lb), iBeacon, and of course, fingerprint sensors that actually work.

These are innovations that fundamentally moves mobile technology forward, and we're only scratching the surface of some of those foundational innovations.
 
Not going to read thread. Just going to assume everyone is going to say how awesome this is, and FINALLY they can have an iDevice without a Samsung chip. Because somehow, this matters.
 
Apple will move away from Samsung sooner or later.

When that happens, Samsung will no longer have the advantage over other Android makers on knowing what Apple is going to make.

Agreed... I still think it was cheeky how Samsung started cloning/competing with iPhones when they were making lots of semi-secret components for Apple.

They will always be scum for that IMO.
 
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