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What if I told you that, currently, Apple copies more than others?

It's Apple that should be afraid of not knowing what Samsung and Google are going to do.

Have you seen iOS 7? I'd count how many parts of that OS is a copy of Android, but it'd be a waste of my time.

Just wonder why millions of Android users install iOS7 theme.
 
I've give it a few months. Apple will come right back to Samsung once again when the issues are figured out.
 
:confused: What is your point? Windows Mobile 6.5 came our 2+ years after the iPhone.

Well, 6 in general came out in 2007 , before the iPhone.

Also, you can't say that Apple would have gotten to where they were with out the development of Windows Mobile.

They deserve a lot more credit then they get.

My point was that everyone borrows and steals ideas from each other.

How do you like the notification center in iOS ? Hmmm ?
 
Well, 6 in general came out in 2007 , before the iPhone.

It was first demoed after the iPhone. Again, not quite supporting your point.

Also, you can't say that Apple would have gotten to where they were with out the development of Windows Mobile.

Why not?

My point was that everyone borrows and steals ideas from each other.

Absolutely. You just picked a horrible example to illustrate that point.
 
Well, 6 in general came out in 2007 , before the iPhone.

Also, you can't say that Apple would have gotten to where they were with out the development of Windows Mobile.

They deserve a lot more credit then they get.

My point was that everyone borrows and steals ideas from each other.

How do you like the notification center in iOS ? Hmmm ?

What happened to Samsung is not borrowing but completely copying. Even Google warns Samsung not to completely copy Apple.
 
It was first demoed after the iPhone. Again, not quite supporting your point.



Why not?



Absolutely. You just picked a horrible example to illustrate that point.

Dude - You really want to get into this ?

Here is Windows Mobile 5 , released in 2005 and in development since 2003

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Not as slick as Apple's iPhone , but clearly the inspiration. There was no such thing as a smartphone before this platform and Apple borrowed HEAVILY from their research
 
What happened to Samsung is not borrowing but completely copying. Even Google warns Samsung not to completely copy Apple.


Galaxy s2 was a copy but not the s3 or s4 and all the recent phones

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It was first demoed after the iPhone. Again, not quite supporting your point.



Why not?



Absolutely. You just picked a horrible example to illustrate that point.


Not like you could make a new mobile os in a week. It was in development for years
 
Yeah, I'm not sure how people confuse a dark and heavy UI with a light and airy one. And don't even get me started on the hideousness of Android's system font, Roboto. Google, like Microsoft, was too cheap to just license Helvetica and created a bastardized version of it, making the entire OS look like crap. It's a good thing you can change themes on Android.

Ugh, tell me about it. Roboto just screams one of those hideous default Impact type of fonts that come pre-installed with Office.
 
Dude - You really want to get into this ?

Here is Windows Mobile 5 , released in 2005 and in development since 2003

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Not as slick as Apple's iPhone , but clearly the inspiration. There was no such thing as a smartphone before this platform and Apple borrowed HEAVILY from their research

Just curious what inspiration for the iPhone comes from it. I'm not saying it wasn't I'm just not sure what specific feature/item you're pointing to in those pictures.
 
Dude - You really want to get into this ?

Here is Windows Mobile 5 , released in 2005 and in development since 2003

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Not as slick as Apple's iPhone , but clearly the inspiration. There was no such thing as a smartphone before this platform and Apple borrowed HEAVILY from their research

I remember the Compaq ipaq. We made the chips in Hudson Ma.
2001/2002 time frame
 

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Samsung Reportedly Drops Out of Apple's A8 Chip Production Over Low Yields

Dude - You really want to get into this ?



Here is Windows Mobile 5 , released in 2005 and in development since 2003



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Not as slick as Apple's iPhone , but clearly the inspiration. There was no such thing as a smartphone before this platform and Apple borrowed HEAVILY from their research


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I never said anything about copying. My response was to the shear value of the information to a competitor. The depth of knowledge that Samsung has into Apple's product roadmap is disturbing.

Okay, take copying off the table. Take that same list you created. Now again I ask, what can Samsung glean from that component list? They already know the chip roadmap, they fab them. They wouldn't give a hoot about the 2GB of RAM, they already use it. The screen size? Again, they have 70 bajillion screens sizes. If Apple comes out with a larger phone what's Samsung answer going to be? Something smaller? Same size? Larger? Already done, done, and done.

Both your answers have been vague and full of generalities. What specifically do you mean by "The depth of knowledge that Samsung has into Apple's product roadmap is disturbing"? Disturbing how? What exactly do you think they know?
 

1984 - Yes I remember that year quite well.

There wasn't such a thing as a mobile OS. That honor goes to Microsoft a few years later.

What you posted is an early Apple desktop OS , borrowed (if not stolen COMPLETELY) from Xerox.

Microsoft had already been developing their OWN GUI and developing upon ideas grown IN-House !

As opposed to the copy, buy or steal approach from Apple.
 
1984 - Yes I remember that year quite well.



There wasn't such a thing as a mobile OS. That honor goes to Microsoft a few years later.
What about the Newton? When it comes down to it, it's the GUI we're talking about here. A few years later? More like a few decades.

What you posted is an early Apple desktop OS , borrowed (if not stolen COMPLETELY) from Xerox.


"Apple engineers visited the PARC facilities (Apple secured the rights for the visit by compensating Xerox with a pre-IPO purchase of Apple stock) and a number of PARC employees subsequently moved to Apple to work on the Lisa and Macintosh GUI." -Wiki

So Xerox inviting Apple to demo the GUI, purchased rights from Xerox, and Xerox PARC employees working on the Lisa is somehow "COMPLETELY" stolen?

No, you know what is "COMPLETELY" stolen? The post iPhone Android OS that was a blackberry wannabe pre iPhone.
 
For the amount of hassle and having to produce product for your #1 most hated rival, its probably better for them to just drop out under the guise of "poor yields". Keeps future options open.

That's not how it works when your biggest client is Apple. The people working at the semiconductor division get paid bonus based on what the division makes, which means by "just dropping out", they reducing their own salary while your friends working at the phone division get paid more money. If that sounds crazy to you, because it is.

Samsung sells LCD displays to Apple, Microsoft sells online services to Apple, Sony sells camera modules to Apple and Qualcomm sells chips to Samsung even though they are all rivals. Most large conglomerate work this way.

Be careful what you wish for, it doesn't always turn out the way one likes. :) If Samsung is having yield issues, I can only imagine what the second tier suppliers are having.

Are you seriously saying TSMC is a second tier supplier? I mean your bias is obvious but seriously the largest foundry in the world is "second tier"?

Processors are one of the few things where it doesn't make sense to multi-source like this. The design has to be validated with each individual supplier process. Differences between those processes will cause Apple to tune performance to the lowest common denominator.

I'm still wondering how Apple could possibly pull this off. Has anyone successfully pulled off multifoundry thing for a chip of this scale successfully?
 
Are you seriously saying TSMC is a second tier supplier? I mean your bias is obvious but seriously the largest foundry in the world is "second tier"?

Biggest doesn't always mean best. :) As I remember, Samsung ssd's and lcd panels were the desirable ones in the Macbooks not too long ago. But Apple is far wiser than I, so if they have the confidence in TSMC, they are comfortable in their choice. For we the consumers, I hope it all works out as intended.
 
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