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I agree, though I have the original S8 (which is factory unlocked) & am thinking about upgrading to the Note 8 (again, factory unlocked).

Just gotta wait for the price tag to come down to the $600's or the $700's; Paying $900 w/tax for the phone itself is too steep.
This is the thing price drops quickly with android/samsung devices. Wait a month or two and you may see some prices being dropped. Be interested to see the camera quailty difference from the S8 plus and iphone.
 
Pre-Ordered the Black Unlocked model. I had sold off my Unlocked Coral Blue s8+ to make way for the Note 8 so hopefully its worth it. Given all of the leaks of the iPhone 8 I'm almost positive I won't be missing out much.
 
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You are doing it again. the last ipad with 1gb was released in 2013. Now it is 2017. That is 4 years later. What if your pc from 2013 doesn' t have enough ram, you sue that company too?
False bud. The iPad Air was discontinued only last year and it is equipped with just a gig of ram.
As for PCs, you upgrade it. If you don't, you're not going to notice as going from Windows 7 or 8 to 10 on 4 gb of ram isn't that big of a deal.
 
Really beautiful looking device, Gorgeous display. it's really a surprise that Samsung is still retaining the headphone jack on their latest device, the Note 8 is the Latest Phone that still retains the 3.5mm jack, now that other competitors are stepping in to get rid of headphone jack.

Because they realise many customers still want one and getting rid of it was a monumentally stupid idea.
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Nice hardware, terrible software.

How so? Whenever I go back to IOS it just looks really dated now. It's not really changed significantly in it's appearance for years. Android looks fresh in comparison and actually works very well. It's just different to IOS.
 
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Beautiful display ruined again by the stupidity of the curved edges.

Just played with a demo model....

There is a minimal curve on this one compared to the S8. You'll see what I mean when you see one in the flesh. It's a lot less gradual and more pronounced, more screen real estate and a steeper curve to the sides where the bezel was in old style phones like the 7s ;-)

I like it.
 
Just played with a demo model....

There is a minimal curve on this one compared to the S8. You'll see what I mean when you see one in the flesh. It's a lot less gradual and more pronounced, more screen real estate and a steeper curve to the sides where the bezel was in old style phones like the 7s ;-)

I like it.

What's even better than a minimal curve? No curve at all. It's such a stupid gimmick that the only good thing about it is that it must be hard to replicate if only Samsung is keeping at it.
 
This has the same problem as the S8: the biometrics are a deal-breaker. People use their phones so frequently. This means the biometric authentication is one of the single most important features of a modern phone. This has been obvious since the iPhone 5S came out with Touch ID. That was four years ago, and somehow Samsung still doesn't understand this.

Compromising on biometrics because you want the screen to be closer to the edge is a straight up bad trade-off. I think Apple understands this, which is why I feel fairly confident that the rumored face authentication will be very effectively implemented. My hope is that it will be so good that the user will never really ever have to think about authentication during daily use; the phone will just work for you as though you have the passcode disabled. That's the goal that all smartphone makers should be working toward, and Samsung somehow seems to be moving in the opposite direction with their hard-to-reach fingerprint sensor and half-baked iris scanner.
 
Not entirely true. Yes, Google and Apple sell ads and profit from advertising revenue. What you omitted is that google also derives revenue from selling information to data brokers. Data brokers don’t trade in anonymous, obfuscated data. They make money from selling profiles of individuals. So, regardless of whether google sells them “anonymous” information, that information ends up in your personal, named profile. That information can include anything that google knows about you. And google’s insatiable appetite for collecting and inferring everything about you means they’re selling a lot more to these data brokers than you have directly divulged to them.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/web/its-a-data-brokers-world-and-we-just-live-in-it/

Apple does not do this. So there is no real equivalency — only a superficial one based on less consequential and as you put it “anonymous” ad slot sales. The real differentiator is who sells your information to data brokers and who doesn’t.

read your link again. says opposite of what you're saying

also in addition, in EU, and Canada, what you're describing is illegal. Google does not sell your data.
 
The only thing about Google in your linked article is the statement that Google is not a data broker (just like Apple).

Seriously?

You missed the point of my statement and the explicit google reference in the article — which is that the Brokers get their data from Google, Facebook and others. It makes no mention of brokers getting information from Apple.

Here is the exact quote - emphasis added:

But that definition does not show the full picture, says Jacobs. For example, the companies or organizations that collect our data in the first place are not generally considered “data brokers.” This means Facebook, Google, Foursquare, or CVS are not actually data brokers – instead, they are rich sources for the data broker industry.

Google is NOT “just like Apple” when it comes to respecting user privacy and personal information sharing preferences. Apple respects you, Google exploits you. If you’re ok with that, good luck and enjoy the Google ecosystem. I’m not ok with it so I choose the Apple ecosystem. It’s a simple choice let’s not muddy it up with false equivalencies.
 
I use DuckDuckGo. It’s an excellent search engine. By the way, I’m not against advertising. I’m just not a fan of google’s invasive approach to acquiring personal information, so I try to avoid being in their ecosystem.

Oh believe me I get it but in today's world its pretty hard to keep things private but I'm not sure that Android the OS gives up privacy as much as say Chrome and Google search does. Just as an example on Samsung devices I don't use GMail I use the email app Samsung provides along with Samsung's contacts, and messaging app, in other words I try to stay away from Googles apps if I can. Thats all.
 
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Oh believe me I get it but in today's world its pretty hard to keep things private but I'm not sure that Android the OS gives up privacy as much as say Chrome and Google search does. Just as an example on Samsung devices I don't use GMail I use the email app Samsung provides along with Samsung's contacts, and messaging app, in other words I try to stay away from Googles apps if I can. Thats all.
I think it's a bit late for privacy.

My amazon, adobe and multiple other accounts have been hacked already.

I now have 2 factor authentication on everything.
 
read your link again. says opposite of what you're saying

also in addition, in EU, and Canada, what you're describing is illegal. Google does not sell your data.

Seriously? Perhaps you should read my link again. Here is the direct quote for your convenience - emphasis added:

But that definition does not show the full picture, says Jacobs. For example, the companies or organizations that collect our data in the first place are not generally considered “data brokers.” This means Facebook, Google, Foursquare, or CVS are not actually data brokers – instead, they are rich sources for the data broker industry.

How is this the opposite of what I’m saying?

The only way your statement that “Google does not sell your data” can be true, is if Google gives your data away for free or trades it for something else. Very unlikely, but even if they don’t sell your data, they are providing it to entities who do sell it in an unanonymized manner.

Google is NOT “just like Apple” when it comes to respecting user privacy and personal information sharing preferences. Apple respects you, Google exploits you. If you’re ok with that, good luck and enjoy the Google ecosystem. I’m not ok with it so I choose the Apple ecosystem.

By the way, love the Jack Layton quote in your signature!
 
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Seriously?

You missed the point of my statement and the explicit google reference in the article — which is that the Brokers get their data from Google, Facebook and others. It makes no mention of brokers getting information from Apple.

Here is the exact quote - emphasis added:



Google is NOT “just like Apple” when it comes to respecting user privacy and personal information sharing preferences. Apple respects you, Google exploits you. If you’re ok with that, good luck and enjoy the Google ecosystem. I’m not ok with it so I choose the Apple ecosystem. It’s a simple choice let’s not muddy it up with false equivalencies.
While I ageee with you on some aspects. Not so much on other aspects. Apple respects profits over anything else

I use Apple devices solely so I’m not a hater. But Apple sells your data also, not your personal info but browsing habits ect. Same as google. They just don’t like to admit it. In this age of technology no one has privacy online anymore
 
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Oh believe me I get it but in today's world its pretty hard to keep things private but I'm not sure that Android the OS gives up privacy as much as say Chrome and Google search does. Just as an example on Samsung devices I don't use GMail I use the email app Samsung provides along with Samsung's contacts, and messaging app, in other words I try to stay away from Googles apps if I can. Thats all.

Your approach to minimizing your exposure makes sense to me; but I simply do not trust Google to keep the OS agnostic when virtually everything else they do is optimized to extract every bit of personal and social information from every transaction.

I totally agree it’s hard to keep things private in today's World; but for me Privacy is just the tip of the iceberg called personal sovereignty. Who owns your online persona? Who owns your digital essence? Who should control the access to and sharing of this personal information? I think you should own and control these as much as you own and control other personal aspects in the real world. Google, Facebook and others think otherwise - just read their TOS.

Some believe this is a trivial issue or a lost cause. I think this is important and worth the effort to resist the total surrender of our personal rights online .. especially as more and more of our life is conducted online. I believe that Apple embraces the vision of personal sovereignty that I would like to prevail, and their actions have earned my trust — so I choose the Apple ecosystem whenever their products or services match a need.
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While I ageee with you on some aspects. Not so much on other aspects. Apple respects profits over anything else

I use Apple devices solely so I’m not a hater. But Apple sells your data also, not your personal info but browsing habits ect. Same as google. They just don’t like to admit it. In this age of technology no one has privacy online anymore

I agree. Apple is driven by the profit motive. They are also driven by values. Technology becomes exploitative when the profit motive is not balanced by values that respect personal sovereignty. I think that Apple is maintaining that balance in a manner that maintains my trust in them. If they falter, I’m gone. Can you provide a reference to Apple selling users browsing habits — I’ve not heard that before — ?
 
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Your approach to minimizing your exposure makes sense to me; but I simply do not trust Google to keep the OS agnostic when virtually everything else they do is optimized to extract every bit of personal and social information from every transaction.

I totally agree it’s hard to keep things private in today's World; but for me Privacy is just the tip of the iceberg called personal sovereignty. Who owns your online persona? Who owns your digital essence? Who should control the access to and sharing of this personal information? I think you should own and control these as much as you own and control other personal aspects in the real world. Google, Facebook and others think otherwise - just read their TOS.

Some believe this is a trivial issue or a lost cause. I think this is important and worth the effort to resist the total surrender of our personal rights online .. especially as more and more of our life is conducted online. I believe that Apple embraces the vision of personal sovereignty that I would like to prevail, and their actions have earned my trust — so I choose the Apple ecosystem whenever their products or services match a need.
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I agree. Apple is driven by the profit motive. They are also driven by values. Technology becomes exploitative when the profit motive is not balanced by values that respect personal sovereignty. I think that Apple is maintaining that balance in a manner that maintains my trust in them. If they falter, I’m gone. Can you provide a reference to Apple selling users browsing habits — I’ve not heard that before — ?
I may be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time. Lol. I’m sure I read somewhere here from a pretty good source that iAds use customer data to target customers. They share this with other companies. Didn’t google just pay Apple billions of $$$ to stay the default search engine. I’m sure this info is going somewhere
 
False bud. The iPad Air was discontinued only last year and it is equipped with just a gig of ram.
As for PCs, you upgrade it. If you don't, you're not going to notice as going from Windows 7 or 8 to 10 on 4 gb of ram isn't that big of a deal.
Ok bud,

So samsung doesn' t do that? Every tablet they released fron 2013 is more than 1gb?

Let me, help you:
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_3_7_0-5422.php



Was released in 2013, for quite steep price and has 1 gb.
Should be fun android with 1gb.

Perhaps that is why they call it tab 3: not more than 3 tabs in chrome.
Bet a definite improvement over the tab2.

Samsung even still sells their j1 that was released in 2016 with 1gb of ram. And they still sell tons of other models with 1gb.
What should we do: sue them now?

But when it is samsung it is ok?
Please get your facts straight before starting your rant.
Both brands have their downsides, apple and samsung, but it is important that you should check facts first.
 
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Wow. I don’t know where the vitriol is coming from dude; but it is certainly misplaced. I have no issue with targeted ads, my issue is with how the company acquires the information. Apple allows you to opt-in and out of ads and express your advertising preferences, and they respect your choice. Google uses any means possible to appropriate and exploit your personal information regardless of your preference. You don’t see a difference, but I do — so I make a different choice than you — which is ok. And guess what, I’m not going to personally attack you for your choice.

More power to Apple and Google for arriving at a commercial agreement about search place on iOS. Apple can honor this agreement without violating my privacy and digital sovereignty because Apple allows me to change the default search — and I did, to DuckDuckGo.

You will have to provide a citation and explanation for your claim about Apple selling purchase info to banks. This strikes me as specious and/or misleading.

And yes, I use DuckDuckGo for search, Apple Maps exclusively for navigation, iCloud and Microsoft Exchange for email, and Lynda.com and Udemy for video references which allows me to mostly avoid YouTube.

I also subscribe to and pay for my regular news and entertainment sources: NPR, The Guardian, Sirius XM, HBO, Netflix, Medium and MacStories. I would gladly pay for MacRumors if there was a subscription option so if you are a subscriber as you intimate, please let me know how you contribute.

Finally, I don’t know if you had a bad day or if you just routinely attack anyone who expresses an opinion that’s contrary to yours; but news-flash: someone expressing a different opinion to yours is not the same as someone attacking you, so just breathe and be your better self.

With time I've learned to ignore kdarling's posts as he's become more and more anti-Apple as of late. Whenever there is a post praising Apple for an accomplishment they've made or a post criticizing Samsung or Google for a legitimate reason, expect kdarling to come along and oppose it, like clockwork. Of course he doesn't come off as a troll because he sounds like he's making reasoned arguments but when you pay close attention you can tell there's an agenda behind it and some of his claims don't even come close to being fact.
 
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With time I've learned to ignore kdarling's posts as he's become more and more anti-Apple as of late. Whenever there is a post praising Apple for an accomplishment they've made or a post criticizing Samsung or Google for a legitimate reason, expect kdarling to come along and oppose it, like clockwork. Of course he doesn't come off as a troll because he sounds like he's making reasoned arguments but when you pay close attention you can tell there's an agenda behind it and some of his claims don't even come close to being fact.
Maybe he isn’t a troll, just someone who works in the industry and knows the in’s and outs of it
 
Maybe he isn’t a troll, just someone who works in the industry and knows the in’s and outs of it

I never said he was. But his behaviour comes off as trollish, or at least very one-sided. But he tries to pass it off as being objective and neutral, which is nowhere near true.
 
I may be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time. Lol. I’m sure I read somewhere here from a pretty good source that iAds use customer data to target customers. They share this with other companies. Didn’t google just pay Apple billions of $$$ to stay the default search engine. I’m sure this info is going somewhere

Apple’s advertising platform uses certain personal information to place you in groups of 5,000 or more people. iAds are targeted to these groups — not to you personally.

Regarding the search positioning deal with Google: that has nothing to do with selling your information — it simply means that Google pays to have google search as the default web search engine in iOS. You can change this to any search engine you choose. I’ve changed my default to DuckDuckGo.

Finally, “Apple does not sell or otherwise transmit any personally identifiable information to third parties.” That is a direct quote from Apple’s Advertising and Privacy policy that you can read for yourself here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223

Net-net: there’s a world of difference between Apple and google when it comes to privacy. Apple respects your privacy. Google exploits your privacy. This matters to me so I choose Apple.
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With time I've learned to ignore kdarling's posts as he's become more and more anti-Apple as of late. Whenever there is a post praising Apple for an accomplishment they've made or a post criticizing Samsung or Google for a legitimate reason, expect kdarling to come along and oppose it, like clockwork. Of course he doesn't come off as a troll because he sounds like he's making reasoned arguments but when you pay close attention you can tell there's an agenda behind it and some of his claims don't even come close to being fact.
That’s the sense I got. Sad. A good, honest argument is a good thing, and I’m glad to see many of those on MacRumors.
 
Ok bud,

So samsung doesn' t do that? Every tablet they released fron 2013 is more than 1gb?

Let me, help you:
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_3_7_0-5422.php

BS. You picked a low cost $200 class tablet to prove a point. Try the Galaxy Note 8.0 or 10.1 tablet from 2013 that has 2GB, pen, split screen multitasking, etc. that are priced closer to iPads.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_8_0-5252.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_n8000-4573.php
 
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