Samsung Reveals Galaxy Note 8 With Dual Rear Cameras and 6.3-Inch AMOLED 'Infinity Display'

[ValO]

BS. You picked a low cost $200 class tablet to prove a point. Try the Galaxy Note 8.0 or 10.1 tablet from 2013 that has 2GB, pen, split screen multitasking, etc. that are priced closer to iPads.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_8_0-5252.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_n8000-4573.php

Closer to ipads,? at introduction they were priced higher than ipads.
Since you are trying to defend that apple should not put 1gb in their models, because it saves one buck or something, why is it ok for samsung, even when they are cheaper.
Is it ok for samsung to release a model phone with 1 gb in 2016?
And i mean a model they put on the market in 2016, not from earlier , but in 2016. The last 1gb iphone apple released was in 2014!
Yeah great!

 

[ElQuesoFrito]

Meh...Not a fan of the "Infinity Display"

 

[zone23]

Meh...Not a fan of the "Infinity Display"

Cool story, but you'll be a fan when its attached to the iPhone I bet.

 

[kdarling]

With time I've learned to ignore kdarling's posts as he's become more and more anti-Apple as of late.

More like anti-ignorance and against internet myths replacing actual history.

I built my first (analog) computer as a kid in the mid 60s, and have been designing and programming computers, OSes and apps for coming up on a half century. I've been doing touchscreen exclusively for a living for over 25 years, most of it on handheld devices. So I know a thing or two, as do other oldtimers here.

As for recent post timing, it's actually an annual thing. It's summer vacation time, and every year we get temporarily overrun by students repeating nonsense that they read on a fansite years ago.

Trouble is, some people confuse correcting a fan, with being anti-Apple, because they seem to think of themselves as if they were Apple!

 

[Phonephreak]

But you're okay with Apple:

• making money the same way with targeted iAds?
• selling Google search first place on iOS in return for billions of dollars each year?
• making money by selling to your own banks, access to you and your purchase info?

Wow.

While we're on the topic, apparently you're quite okay with selling your digital maidenhead to sites like this in return for free usage. Why don't you contribute instead so they don't have to support themselves off ads. Or do you just like to freeload when you think you're anonymous?

And you're saying you never use Google Search, Maps, YouTube, GMail or any other Google service?

I just joined but have lurked for a while. That was the snarkiest comment I’ve ever seen you post.
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So Bluetooth 5.0 was invented by Apple.

No apple was part of a group that invented it. NOT just Apple.

 

[kdarling]

I just joined but have lurked for a while. That was the snarkiest comment I’ve ever seen you post.

Yes, it was way over the top for me. For over thirty five years online under my own name (not anonymous like everyone else) I've tried hard to not be mean. I've got a lot of family medical stress gong on locally right now, but that's still no excuse for its snarky tone.

 

[kevinof]

Hear hear. Well said.

Yes, it was way over the top for me. For over thirty five years online under my own name (not anonymous like everyone else) I've tried hard to not be mean. I've got a lot of family medical stress gong on locally right now, but that's still no excuse for its snarky tone.

 

[kdarling]

Not entirely true. Yes, Google and Apple sell ads and profit from advertising revenue. What you omitted is that google also derives revenue from selling information to data brokers. Data brokers don’t trade in anonymous, obfuscated data. They make money from selling profiles of individuals.

Google does not sell personal data. Period.

As for your link, it mentioned Google once almost like clickbait, then never mentioned them again. Not a good source.

So, regardless of whether google sells them “anonymous” information, that information ends up in your personal, named profile.

You're very right about one thing: bringing up data brokers. I wish more people did. They pose a much, much greater threat to our privacy than Google ever will. This is one reason why I see it as so silly when people bring up Google alone, and even avoid their services -- as if that will prevent data from being collected on them... and worse, being sold.

(And at least Google gives everyone a dashboard where people can go control a lot of their info collection, delete it, and even edit it if they think they're getting too many ads on a certain topic. Apple doesn't even give that much transparency on what they collect on us, probably because the amount would freak most people out.)

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Unlike Apple and Google, data brokers do not make money by selling anonymous ad slots. They make money by actually selling personally identifiable data... which is what people should really be worried about.

Heck, some are big names. Experia credit sells a weekly list of expectant parents to baby product companies. Facebook sells info on whether or not you actually end up visiting a store that showed you an ad. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Our income, legal problems, web site visits (from a ton of other sources than Google), and so forth are all for sale.

I don't think it can be stopped either. So perhaps what we need is a way to share in the revenue instead

 

[Phonephreak]

Yes, it was way over the top for me. For over thirty five years online under my own name (not anonymous like everyone else) I've tried hard to not be mean. I've got a lot of family medical stress gong on locally right now, but that's still no excuse for its snarky tone.

Hope everything works out for you.
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Google does not sell personal data. Period.

As for your link, it mentioned Google once almost like clickbait, then never mentioned them again. Not a good source.



You're very right about one thing: bringing up data brokers. I wish more people did. They pose a much, much greater threat to our privacy than Google ever will. This is one reason why I see it as so silly when people bring up Google alone, and even avoid their services -- as if that will prevent data from being collected on them... and worse, being sold.

(And at least Google gives everyone a dashboard where you can go control a lot of their info collection, delete it, and even edit it if you think you're getting too many ads on a certain topic. Apple doesn't even have that much transparency on what they collect on us, probably because the amount would freak most people out.)

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Unlike Apple and Google, data brokers do not make money by selling anonymous ad slots. They make money by actually selling personally identifiable data... which is what people should really be worried about.

Heck, some are big names. Experia credit sells a weekly list of expectant parents to baby product companies. Facebook sells info on whether or not you actually end up visiting a store that showed you an ad. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Our income, legal problems, web site visits (from a ton of other sources than Google), and so forth are all for sale.

I don't think it can be stopped either. So perhaps what we need is a way to share in the revenue instead

Scary to the the amount of data company’s can get on us, even with the consumer trying to keep those prying eyes out of our business

 

[MacKyle]

bigger battery, bigger explosion...

 

[heretiq]

Google does not sell personal data. Period.

As for your link, it mentioned Google once almost like clickbait, then never mentioned them again. Not a good source.



You're very right about one thing: bringing up data brokers. I wish more people did. They pose a much, much greater threat to our privacy than Google ever will. This is one reason why I see it as so silly when people bring up Google alone, and even avoid their services -- as if that will prevent data from being collected on them... and worse, being sold.

(And at least Google gives everyone a dashboard where people can go control a lot of their info collection, delete it, and even edit it if they think they're getting too many ads on a certain topic. Apple doesn't even give that much transparency on what they collect on us, probably because the amount would freak most people out.)

--

Unlike Apple and Google, data brokers do not make money by selling anonymous ad slots. They make money by actually selling personally identifiable data... which is what people should really be worried about.

Heck, some are big names. Experia credit sells a weekly list of expectant parents to baby product companies. Facebook sells info on whether or not you actually end up visiting a store that showed you an ad. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Our income, legal problems, web site visits (from a ton of other sources than Google), and so forth are all for sale.

I don't think it can be stopped either. So perhaps what we need is a way to share in the revenue instead

I don’t think you read the section that mentions google, so here is the entire quote for your convenience (bold emphasis added):

But that definition does not show the full picture, says Jacobs. For example, the companies or organizations that collect our data in the first place are not generally considered “data brokers.” This means Facebook, Google, Foursquare, or CVS are not actually data brokers – instead, they are rich sources for the data broker industry.

Google is a source of data for data brokers — who as you’ve said “make money by actually selling personally identifiable data... which is what people should really be worried about.”

So google aids and abets data brokers who I agree we should worry about — which is why I provided you the reference in the first place.

Do you really believe google is giving data brokers data for free? No, google is selling them data.

Apple does not do this. And google’s so-called superior “visibility” is just sleeves out of their vests.

If you believe it can’t be stopped, it won’t be for you.

I believe otherwise, so I choose Apple, avoid google as much as possible, and just don’t use Facebook and Foursquare and their ilk in an attempt to minimize my exposure.

 

[lordofthereef]

Only Apple 2015 devices and newer with at least 2GB DRAM are still useful so that's two years longevity. Samsung 2012 devices and newer like Note 2 with 2GB DRAM are still useful so five years longevity. Worse than early obsolescence with 2014 iPhone 6 is if it dies from touch disease defect because Apple went with cheap bendable aluminum to maximize profit on its first phablet attempt.

If you say so. I think if you’re willing to stick to old software, as the five year old note has, you’d find the iPhone would likely be doing just fine too. Some people on these forums still swear by iOS 6 lol. Of course, if you know what you’re doing with either device, you’re set to load “whatever you want” on it. I just don’t think the average consumer is able/willing to go through the trouble.
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Just a hunch, but I bet if there were no Apple Stores, she'd probably here complaints about iPhones a lot more as well.
I buy Apple stuff from Best Buy (Open Box FTW), but I take them to the Apple Store if I have issues.

Possible. They have Samsung stores inside every (or almost every) Best Buy now too with their own employees (that she still manages). Same with Apple. I feel that most average consumers tend to take their product back to where they got it when they have issues. Most people I’ve talked to (anecdotes again of course) had no idea they could take their Apple product back to Apple if they didn’t buy it there. One of my friends has been dealing with Verizon repairs, bless his heart
Lol.

 

[Abazigal]

While I ageee with you on some aspects. Not so much on other aspects. Apple respects profits over anything else

I use Apple devices solely so I’m not a hater. But Apple sells your data also, not your personal info but browsing habits ect. Same as google. They just don’t like to admit it. In this age of technology no one has privacy online anymore

Every company respects profits. Google and Samsung are no angels when it comes to this regard either.

It just so happens that because their profits come from hardware, I feel that Apple's interests are more directly aligned with that of the consumer. Apple has every interest in keeping me, the user, happy so I will continue to use their products. It's an honest direct relationship between the buyer and seller that I can get behind.

Conversely, companies like google and Facebook are in the business of trying to monetise the customer via something they don't want (advertising) by giving them something free in exchange. To them, more profits come from serving more (invasive) ads, so it's not hard to see the potential conflict of interests here (and indeed, there has been several).

Perhaps you are right in that nobody has privacy in this day and age. That doesn't mean I give up without a fight and spread my legs to every company who wants to mine my data. I intend to still keep my data private where I can. For example, I am using maps over google maps, iCloud instead google drive and safari instead of chrome. I use apps like protube and tweetbot which don't serve ads. I run ad-blockers on my browsers. One day, I hope to eventually transition over to DuckDuckGo.

Privacy isn't a binary option where you either have it or you don't. There's a sliding scale and you can still control just how much of your privacy you are willing to give up in exchange for a certain amount of benefit, and I like that there is at least Apple to serve as a viable alternative to google.

 

[RedCloud2017]

Its still there to provide multitasking access for 2 apps onscreen at the same time ;-) Also you get used to it and it feels great in the hand now they've sorted the sensitivity out.

Had a chance to play with the Note 8 yesterday at a Samsung store. It has slightly less edge distortion than the S8 but I still find the glare unbearable. All the multitasking in the world won't make me ever put up with that.

And the curve is not even needed for side gestures anyway.

 

[cgsnipinva]

Meh...Not a fan of the "Infinity Display"

Let's be honest it is a beautiful display - because I think it is bright. The curved edges don't bring much value to me. I will be interested in Apple's OLED display and see if it maintains the true color tone that iPhone screens have been known for.

But I need more than just a big screen. Samsung makes GREAT screens (and tvs) - but I need productivity from my phone that requires the right OS and App stack. Advantage still goes to Apple for that.

 

[heretiq]

Every company respects profits. Google and Samsung are no angels when it comes to this regard either.

It just so happens that because their profits come from hardware, I feel that Apple's interests are more directly aligned with that of the consumer. Apple has every interest in keeping me, the user, happy so I will continue to use their products. It's an honest direct relationship between the buyer and seller that I can get behind.

Conversely, companies like google and Facebook are in the business of trying to monetise the customer via something they don't want (advertising) by giving them something free in exchange. To them, more profits come from serving more (invasive) ads, so it's not hard to see the potential conflict of interests here (and indeed, there has been several).

Perhaps you are right in that nobody has privacy in this day and age. That doesn't mean I give up without a fight and spread my legs to every company who wants to mine my data. I intend to still keep my data private where I can. For example, I am using maps over google maps, iCloud instead google drive and safari instead of chrome. I use apps like protube and tweetbot which don't serve ads. I run ad-blockers on my browsers. One day, I hope to eventually transition over to DuckDuckGo.

Privacy isn't a binary option where you either have it or you don't. There's a sliding scale and you can still control just how much of your privacy you are willing to give up in exchange for a certain amount of benefit, and I like that there is at least Apple to serve as a viable alternative to google.

Perfectly stated @Abazigal. Thank you.

 

[Technarchy]

Let's be honest it is a beautiful display - because I think it is bright. The curved edges don't bring much value to me. I will be interested in Apple's OLED display and see if it maintains the true color tone that iPhone screens have been known for.

But I need more than just a big screen. Samsung makes GREAT screens (and tvs) - but I need productivity from my phone that requires the right OS and App stack. Advantage still goes to Apple for that.

If by "True color tone" you mean flat, bland, washed out with a slightly pixelated quality than yeah.

Samsung has had better flagship display tech across the board since the Galaxy S6. It's not even close in comparison.

Use an S8 for a couple of months and then go back to the iPhone. You'll appreciate how far behind the iPhone display tech is really quick.

 

[Shanghaichica]

If by "True color tone" you mean flat, bland, washed out with a slightly pixelated quality than yeah.

Samsung has had better flagship display tech across the board since the Galaxy S6. It's not even close in comparison.

Use an S8 for a couple of months and then go back to the iPhone. You'll appreciate how far behind the iPhone display tech is really quick.

I would say the S5 was the year Samsung took over as screen kings. I think my 7 plus might just be on an par with the S5 screen wise.

 

[ElQuesoFrito]

Cool story, but you'll be a fan when its attached to the iPhone I bet.

Let's be honest it is a beautiful display - because I think it is bright. The curved edges don't bring much value to me. I will be interested in Apple's OLED display and see if it maintains the true color tone that iPhone screens have been known for.

But I need more than just a big screen. Samsung makes GREAT screens (and tvs) - but I need productivity from my phone that requires the right OS and App stack. Advantage still goes to Apple for that.

The colors and brightness are great, don't get me wrong. I just don't like the curved edges.

 

[Technarchy]

I would say the S5 was the year Samsung took over as screen kings. I think my 7 plus might just be on an par with the S5 screen wise.

I think the S5 is when OLED became competitive with tangible benefits over Apple displays. But once Samsung launched their their QHD displays in 2015 it was all over. As in not even close.

Samsung’s infinity display QHD+ widened the gap even further. I seriously hope Apple specs their OLED high enough to be competitive again. A pentile 1080P 5.8” display would be an ugly solution compared to the S8.

 

[zone23]

The colors and brightness are great, don't get me wrong. I just don't like the curved edges.

Oh yeah the classic curved edges.. I agree when the first phone came out with it I think it was the S6 edge or something I didn't like it either but now it doesn't really bother me at all. I get it though.

 

[rjohnstone]

The colors and brightness are great, don't get me wrong. I just don't like the curved edges.

I just got to spend some hands on time with the Note 8 and the curved edges are very tight.
It's almost a perfect squared off 90 degree angle but with a slight soft edge.

It's nothing like the S7 Edge, which I hated due to accidental touches.

 

[ElQuesoFrito]

I just got to spend some hands on time with the Note 8 and the curved edges are very tight.
It's almost a perfect squared off 90 degree angle but with a slight soft edge.

It's nothing like the S7 Edge, which I hated due to accidental touches.

I might have to play around with the Note 8 then and see how it feels. I haven't liked all the other curved edges in the past.

 

[Chair-Sama]

I have never once felt envy over a device that doesn't work.

I'm not gunna lie...i do feel a little envious....envious of the fact that i WONT be able to take time off because my phone blew up in my pocket.
but i guess thats the unfortunate part of owning an iPhone, no immediate risk of death or dismemberment right?
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It's laughable that the newest Android phone won't even ship with the latest Android OS.

literally the definition of what is wrong with android these days.

 

[rjohnstone]

I might have to play around with the Note 8 then and see how it feels. I haven't liked all the other curved edges in the past.

Best Buy has them on display now. That's where I found one to examine.
I really like how it feels in my hand.
I'm 6' 2" and my hands are far form small, so this thing fits nicely.
I put my 6S+ that's in a Spigen Slim Armor case next to it and it's very similar in size.
The iPhone (in the case) is a tad wider, and about the same length from top to bottom.