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Samsung Rumored to Return to iPhone Chip Production in 2018

bobob said:
Samsung Rumored to Return Come Crawling Back on it's Hands and Knees to iPhone Chip Production in 2018
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Keep telling yourself that fella if it makes your feel better. Havnt Samsung just announced record quarterly profits? Doesn't seem like they have to go crawling anywhere.. as opposed to Apple, who if they want the 2nd best screens (after galaxy models) they have to go cap in hand to Samsung lol
 
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Well there's a theoretical possibility it will be the screen, flash memory and processor.
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In the iPHone 7, only the RAM is made by Samsung, buddy.

A bit of a stretch to call it "a Samsung phone" uh?
 
WatchFromAfar said:
No you don't get it. There is no Apple designed processors, the A-series chip is a RISK based chip designed from a UK company called Acorn in the 80's who manufacturers ARM based preprocessors. Yes Apple took that design, because it's open source, and ran with it but they didn't design it.
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The important point is Samsung didn't design it either. Tsmc and Samsung are outsourcing partners that manufacture the chip. Whether Apple designed the chip or not is immaterial, Samsung is following apples manufactung orders.
 
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ChrisCW11 said:
Well, driving around in a "sports" car with a Camry engine is the point I think the original poster is making very clear.
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What point is that?

I don't think too many people would call a Lotus a Toyota, just because many of them use Toyota parts. Just like I wouldn't call Apple's phone a Samsung phone, just because it uses Samsung parts.
 
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WatchFromAfar said:
It's a processor designed on a reference from Acorn in the UK, them made by Samsung. If Samsung makes it then yeah i guess that's not an opinion but a fact.
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Acorn designed the first RISC processor for personal computers. In 1990 ARM was created as a spin-off from Acorn and Apple, after the companies collaborated on the ARM processor as part of the Newton. Apple designs its own ARM-based chips, then finds OEM manufacturers to mass produce them. Acorn closed about 15-20 years ago.
 
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farmboy said:
Acorn designed the first RISC processor for personal computers. In 1990 ARM was created as a spin-off from Acorn and Apple, after the companies collaborated on the ARM processor as part of the Newton. Apple designs its own ARM-based chips, then finds OEM manufacturers to mass produce them. Acorn closed about 15-20 years ago.
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Yes everything you just posted is true. Doesn't disprove my point.
 
Jakewilk said:
7 nm?? The future is here. Not too long ago they were struggling to get below 16 nm and I began to worry that CPU mass production technology advancements were slowing to a halt, but I guess not!
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It's not really 7 nm. Chip fab has devolved to naming similar to "4G" "4GLTE", 4G is really 3G, LTE is actually real 4G, 7nm isn't actually 7 nm. It's actually very similar process to Intel's 10 nm.
 
I7guy said:
The important point is Samsung didn't design it either. Tsmc and Samsung are outsourcing partners that manufacture the chip. Whether Apple designed the chip or not is immaterial, Samsung is following apples manufactung orders.
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Excellent post. It's Apple's customization designed with the 'A' Series chips, other manufacturers build the chips for them. TSMC and Samsung are just partnered to assist with the process, but they don't have input behind Apple's chips.
 
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there's no reason NOT to include samsung in this, their semiconductor production is top tier in the industry
 
bobob said:
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Samsung just posted one of their best years ever. And that's with Apple only accounting for 5% of their total business

Samsung isn't crawling back to Apple. And Apple isn't crawling back to samsung.

Simply Put: Samsung is a world leader in multiple fields, that includes mobile chipsets, RAM, and displays. So if you're Apple, why wouldn't you go to the #1 leader in manufacturing / designing for these technologies if you want to use them

it's a net win for both Samsung and Apple. Apple gains access to some of the best screens, Chipsets and FABing in the world. Samsung gets business. Win Win
 
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gwhizkids said:
I don't personally hate Samsung, but I do find it odd that the Apple's largest and arguably most formidable competitor in the smartphone market is also a large supplier of critical components. I guess stranger things have happened...
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Whaha.
There is this great corporate plot with them too closely working together - while on the forefront expensive court cases need to make us believe that they are still competitors...
Like Trump and the Russians
 
WatchFromAfar said:
Yes everything you just posted is true. Doesn't disprove my point.
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Sure it does. You stated that "there is no Apple designed processors" and "Apple took that design, because it's open source, and ran with it but they didn't design it."

Yet you agree with someone who says that the two companies "collaborated on the ARM processor as part of the Newton"

So did they "take the design" or "collaborate" with them?
 
gnasher729 said:
Samsung is more than one company. There is Samsung Mobile division, with its history of shameless copying, with evidence of a 130 page notebook what things from iOS need to be copied, and with fiery disasters. And there is Samsung Semiconductor division, who do a decent job at creating hardware components, like creating Apple designed processors, Apple designed screens, and generic memory chips. I bet Samsung Semiconductor finds Samsung Mobile division cringeworthy, just like we do.
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That's ludicrous !
Like there is no problem with Trump talking to the Russians, because Russians he talks to are OK guys because they are in contact with Trump !
All Samsungs are in the same camp: guess which holding they all report to and how their financials are aggregated.
This exactly the same as Apple providing computer parts to Dell (yes, yes, its AAPL's computer division which has nothing to do with our iDevices but it's still Apple)
 
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I think on this forum, as customers, it's kind of fun to imagine one company or the other "crawling on hands and knees" to beg for business--all depending on which company is in our good graces at the moment.

But the reality is that it's all a very impersonal process for the most part. Maybe secretly the CEO's themselves might have a stake of pride in the process, but at the negotiating table, it's all about what's best for each company's bottom line. That's how the executives are evaluated and compensated and that's what they care about.

They leave the sniping to the ad agencies and corporate mouth pieces. Stoking up rivalry and invoking brand loyalties is good for business. They also leave sniping and building up images of the virtuous victims to the lawyers when disputes arise.

But otherwise, like honey badgers, they don't care about the same rivalries we all have built up in our heads on all these forums and blogs. People who head up a company the size Apple is now can't afford to keep alive grudges held back when Apple was the size it was 10 years ago. If Steve were still alive, it's questionable whether even he would still be fuming enough about Samsung's past transgressions, if nursing a grudge was going to hurt his products. And Tim, coming as he did from overseeing the supply chain, has always had a different perspective about these things.
 
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WatchFromAfar said:
"merely a component supplier" , how pray tell does something exist in the physical world without components?
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You really don't know? And yes, merely a component supplier.

Similarly, my house was constructed from lumber, tile, doors, faucets, windows, shingles, toilets, paint, cabinets, flooring, copper pipe, insulation, cement, lighting, appliances, and on and on. All selected from many dozens of different vendors based upon requirements, competitive pricing, and availability. As with complex tech gadgets. I hope that helps towards your better understanding.

I suspect you've never worked in tech where products were manufactured and made up of components selected from other vendors based on requirements, price, and availability.
 
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WatchFromAfar said:
The "soul of the phone" what a bunch of hippie crap. It's a consumer electronic device. Jeez...
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It's a processor designed on a reference from Acorn in the UK, them made by Samsung. If Samsung makes it then yeah i guess that's not an opinion but a fact.
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Incorrect. There are two methods to design ARM processors. Either by reference design, as you said, or by buying the rights to the instruction set, and using a completely custom design. Apple does the latter. It is entirely their own creation.
 
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