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It's impractical for a phone unless they can get the actual casing razor thin. No one is going to like carrying around a chunky brick-like candy bar phone in 2018. People today are simply accustomed to the thickness of an iPhone X, for example. Any foldable phone would have to meet this thickness when closed. So these new foldable phones would have to essentially be half the thickness of what you're currently using - no small feat with all the internals.

This sort of technology is perfect for laptops though. I would expect to see all sorts of amazing foldable laptops with full OLED display and touch keyboards/track pads come out in the next several years using this. No more hinges.
 
No matter which way you drop it, it lands on the screen. :p

Seems pretty cool, though, but I'd worry about the stress on the screen around the hinge, with the constant folding and unfolding. What does that look like after two years of use?
 
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No it's not that, Apple simply can't develop a foldable screen phone before Samsung no matter how much they try.
Samsung is in a unique position of being able to design, develop and manufacture the best mobile screens on the market. They've been working on this longer than any of their competitors(including Apple). This is why they are the first to launch a viable folding screen device.

Ok, if you are talking about the ability to create different type of screen technology, yes, I agree with you. Samsung and LG are the only ones in the industry who can do so. Apple view is limited to what their screen (and other part) supplier can do. Just like they have been limited to AMD and Intel in processor for their laptop (it looks it will soon change with their iOS devices getting better and better)
 
Well to be fair, I don’t know one friend, associate or family member, who owns a samsung phone that thinks Dex is worth anything. YMMV. I’d like t know the adoption rate other than the gushing on tech forums.

I’ll take a way and see attitude with this foldable display but unless Jony Ive designed it, it won’t be thin enough.

You mean the Jony who designed the rocking phone (off centered camera bump) or bugs bunny ear (notch) :)
 
It's impractical for a phone unless they can get the actual casing razor thin. No one is going to like carrying around a chunky brick-like candy bar phone in 2018. People today are simply accustomed to the thickness of an iPhone X, for example. Any foldable phone would have to meet this thickness when closed. So these new foldable phones would have to essentially be half the thickness of what you're currently using - no small feat with all the internals.

This sort of technology is perfect for laptops though. I would expect to see all sorts of amazing foldable laptops with full OLED display and touch keyboards/track pads come out in the next several years using this. No more hinges.
Touch keyboards. AAAARGH!!!!!!!
 
Given how finicky circuits are to even a little bit of repeated bending, and that plastics and rubbers are finite in their bending ability, I am not sold on the long-term reliability of this device (says a guy who updates every two years).

Laptop Screen Hinge ?
 
No, that’s not the point, although I do understand that it’s your point.
Possibly, but why they did it is also a different point.

My point, in response to an op claiming “Apple does this too” is that they don’t, and certainly not with a major new tech announcement. In 2007 Steve Jobs didn’t take the stage, turn off the lights, show us a glance of something new, and tell us it was coming out later. Not Apple’s style. And regardless of delivery (AirPower, for example), Apple events show us the whole product.

You do understand that showing a wireless charger or a speaker is one thing and creating an entirely new category of phones is another.
Also Airpower was only shown in pictures and videos. How is that = shown in full?
In 2007 Apple wasn't in competition with anybody. Samsung's doesn't have the same advantage. Chinese OEMs are breathing down their necks. But this is the thing, the danger for Samsung in this situation comes from Chinese OEMs not Apple.
 
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Touch keyboards. AAAARGH!!!!!!!

I get the frustration, but I think it's inevitable. That said, the current low profile butterfly/scissor switch keyboards offer a pretty bad typing experience, IMO. In Apple's case, might as well just put it to pasture and go full touch with taptic feedback.

I get a chuckle out of how the foldable phone is being made "new" again; I feel like it's 2003 all over again.
 
Ok, if you are talking about the ability to create different type of screen technology, yes, I agree with you. Samsung and LG are the only ones in the industry who can do so. Apple view is limited to what their screen (and other part) supplier can do. Just like they have been limited to AMD and Intel in processor for their laptop (it looks it will soon change with their iOS devices getting better and better)
Not just the ability to to create different type of screen technology but also the ability to mass produce it, integrate it into their own products and make it available to general consumers which is incredibly difficult and achievable only by a few companies.

At this point Apple most likely is still just experimenting with the idea of a foldable phone device while Samsung is at the level of being able to mass produce a finished product which will be available to general consumers.
 
Why doesn’t Ferrari sell better than Toyota?
1. Ferrari has intentionally limited production to 7000 cars per year in order to make their brand more exclusive. Toyota makes over 10 million per year. [edit: they are making a little more than 8000 this year.]
2. The average Toyota costs $33,000 while the average Ferrari sells for $315,000 (not factoring in their super-cars (like the Pininfarina Sergio) which go for $3 million.
3. Ferrari makes a range of specialty cars all designed for people who enjoy driving and are willing to put comfort and utility as low priorities. Toyota focuses on building a variety of functional vehicles including cars, vans, and trucks.
4. The average Toyota owner owns 1 to 2 cars. The average Ferrari owner has 5 or more cars. (65% of Ferrari owners have more than one Ferrari.)
5. Ferrari is owned 23% by Exor (who owns Fiat Chrysler) while Toyota is the parent company of itself. This means there is more pressure on Toyota to sell more cars at the expense of quality, while Ferrari's investors encourage low volume high value sales to avoid competing with its other brands.

Ferrari and Toyota make different products targeted at different consumers and run their organizations with very different business plans. Ferrari makes an estimated $80,000 per car while Toyota averages less than $3000 per car. Toyota' market cap is 171 billion to Ferrari's 11 billion.

For the record, these companies are leaders for their target demographic. For example, GM makes less than $700 per car across their less than 8 million cars produced annually. (And yes, these are averages across their entire fleet - I am not trying to say that they only make $700 on every car.) Lamborghini, which might be the closest comparison to Ferrari (despite being a division of VW) only sells a little over 2000 cars a year and only averages about $5200 per car.

Anyhoo... that's my explanation as to why Ferrari doesn't sell as well as Toyota.

Ummm.... because it is 5x more expensive.
Are you trying to say that you believe the Note series is 5x more expensive than other Android flagships??
*confused*

You answered faster than me, but you underestimated your very valid point. Ferrari is about 10x more expensive on average. Still, your insight was going in the right direction.
 
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No matter which way you drop it, it lands on the screen. :p

Seems pretty cool, though, but I'd worry about the stress on the screen around the hinge, with the constant folding and unfolding. What does that look like after two years of use?
You should get in touch with Samsung. They probably haven't thought about that.
 
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These presentations get worse and worse, 1 hour 40 minutes of cringe.
It was a developers conference. I thought it was actually one of their better presentations. The two females were particularly good.
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It's impractical for a phone unless they can get the actual casing razor thin. No one is going to like carrying around a chunky brick-like candy bar phone in 2018. People today are simply accustomed to the thickness of an iPhone X, for example. Any foldable phone would have to meet this thickness when closed. So these new foldable phones would have to essentially be half the thickness of what you're currently using - no small feat with all the internals.

This sort of technology is perfect for laptops though. I would expect to see all sorts of amazing foldable laptops with full OLED display and touch keyboards/track pads come out in the next several years using this. No more hinges.
That’s not what it looks like. It was disguised inside a case. They said it was their thinnest screen to date.
 
Yeah, let’s just ignore that Samsung wishes they could be in Apple’s mobile computing position.

Apple destroys Samsung in this space. Destroys.

And your analysis of Apple products being crippled is just more nonsense hate with zero fact. In 2018, Apple sold 218M iPhones at an average price of $765 for $166,699,000,000 in sales. Apple makes double the profit of any company in the world. They have a working strategy and are the envy of the tech world and business world.

Maybe people buy because of their leading silicon, the FaceID tech that revolutionized biometric security and was copied, the top notch cameras, the fantastic security and support, iOS, the design, or the whole package. One thing is for sure, no premium smartphone is bought more than the iPhone.

Innovation isn’t just throwing out some junk that is essentially a flip phone design, likely too think and clumsy to be anything meaningful.

Look at Samsung even try copy the Apple keynote format. It’s actually sad.

I was thinking the same thing, Samsung "copying" Apple's Keynote events ( heck, the lead spokesman there is trying to emulate Steve Jobs in every aspect ). How long have they been copying Apple on this?!? Just curious.... : )
 
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If they can get it to work well I'd be really interested.

Also, I don't understand why 'folding' is suddenly a bad idea for stuff we want to put in our pockets.
 
This is innovation that far exceeds the notch. Apple will adopt this in 2022-24 when Samsung minimized all the risks and people embrace the phone/tablet feature/function.

MR forum members will hate on this until Apple introduces something similar 4-6 years from now, and claim innovation :rolleyes:
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Phone/Tablet combination is rather appealing, couple that with USB-C and this can dock to accessories. One device to rule the business persons carry-on technology. Apple users will be carrying around their iPhone, iPad and/or MB/A/P with them.

Apple products could already dock to accessories...

This isn't even Samsung's idea, it goes back almost 10 years.

 
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We have had foldable screen phones, I know of only one other and that is a bad excuse to be first to the market. We have had foldable phones with one screen in the claimshell, a keypad and a smaller display on the exterior. If Samsung had terrible display/screen technology Apple would not be using them. Only recently had LG been able to meet Apples standards for AMOLED phone displays.

I am curious to see this in-person.

It's when you call this "Samung's screen technology" that it becomes obvious you don't really understand how this all works.
 
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