Samsung Sole Supplier for Retina Display in New iPad?

[dba7dba]

Samsung should create a new product category instead of trying to compete and failing over and over.

Good for them that they have many subdivisions, which I would assume each run as a separate business. Their display subdivision is doing excellent.

It would be better if Samsung and Apple got along; they need each other (sort of, as Apple may never tie the knot to any vendor).

Samsung may have great technology but Apple has the brains to turn that technology into successful products.

Hmm Samsung failing over and over? Other than tablets I don't see samsung electronics failing over and over in a particular segment.

Samsung has the brains to turn technology into successful products such as these:

• smartphone
• chips
• ram
• screen
• laptops
• TV

Pretty much a lot of the GUT of idevices is from samsung.

Apple's had plenty of dudes. Xserve? Xsan?

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Apple is saying that Samsung will make things the way it says, and it will not make imitations of the things they were given to manufacture. Apple is the Design firm, and Samsung is a kind of jobber, in Apple's eyes. A competitive bid winner.

There is little doubt that Samsung is probably the engineering winner at the moment in the world electronics trade. A company that makes things to spec very well.

Its problem is, it doesn't want to stay Apple's bitch. The asian giants started to grow from the industrial strength encouraged by American policy and money in the postwar years. What they created is very powerful. We might be able to do assembly here in the U.S., but none of the parts would be made anywhere near. You want a Retina Display? Go to Samsung. Any American companies do that? Why, no. We've lost huge chunks of our industrial infrastructure, and we haven't been replacing it, just selling fraudulent debt instruments to the world.

You can thank wall street and apple for that. None of the asian nations/firms pointed a gun at our heads and demands that the factories be set up there.

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Apple didn't "ditch" Sharp over anyone. Sharp simply couldn't supply enough "good" displays in time. If they sort out their production, there'll be Sharp displays in time eventually. Samsung was also a late addition to the first iPad display. Originally it was all LG but later Samsung boosted their PLS display production to be a supplier.

This is one reason why Apple doesn't mention suppliers by their name in marketing. Their demand is so big that they can't rely on a single company. They'll source the parts from as many suppliers as needed.

SORTING out manufacturing to meet the demand (both in quantity/quality/timing) is something samsung has been doing well. That's something you have to respect.

And let's not forget samsung's not only doing well in churning out the parts but also the technology and yes even design. Thin bezel TV first came from Samsung I believe.

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that's not true. Apple want's Android wiped off the face of the earth. Samsung just got in the way by making devices that actually propelled Android growth.

Apple would have no problem with Samsung should they switch to Windows completely.

Apple should man up and sue google directly.

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Apple does NOT want Samsung wiped off the face of the earth. Apple wants Samsung's tablets gone.

There's a difference there, can you tell the difference? Or do you have to keep bashing Apple for no reason?

So you acknowledge Apple knows they cannot block/remove/out-compete samsung smartphones?

 

[walie]

hmm, i predict that this will start the trend on this forum that people are going to try to correlate the serial number of an ipad to whether it has an Samsung display or not

the "Samsung ipads" will be coveted the most while the sharp and lg ipads will be cast aside

"your ipad has a yellowish display? its probably a sharp or lg one, my Samsung one is resolutionary perfect!"


you heard it here first!!

 

[*LTD*]

Maybe Apple should design, develop, and produce its own displays and semi-conductors. You all act like Apple designed and invented every single thing used for its computers and tablets.

Invented? Nah. Designed? Absolutely. That makes all the difference. Suppliers are suppliers. I don't see why Apple can't have an entire harem of supplier-b*tches working for them. Though apple is moving toward greater self-sufficiency.

This industry needs Apple to make great things out of all the materials out there.

 

[xinu]

Haha, I never said the US wasn't screwed. I completely agree with you there man!

Samsung's Total Equity is twice that of Apple's.

 

[dba7dba]

Let's see, Samsung will introduce a retina display tablet in 6 months (but it'll be continued to be crippled by a certain slow os)

Haha. I got ICS on my galaxy nexus and it is not slow.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Hmm Samsung failing over and over? Other than tablets I don't see samsung electronics failing over and over in a particular segment.

Samsung has the brains to turn technology into successful products such as these:

• smartphone
• chips
• ram
• screen
• laptops
• TV

Pretty much a lot of the GUT of idevices is from samsung.

Apple's had plenty of dudes. Xserve? Xsan?

Xserve and Xsan were not necessarily failures, simply the market for these was not large enough to make any sense to spend any more resources developing these, considering the Mobile device was becoming a much larger market.
Apple decided that the Mac Pro would make a better Server / Pro Station.
And Xsan is still out there, compatible with lots of already existing devices.

Mmm... Let me give you an example of what can be called a total failure in the business world. It is from an email I have just received today.

 

[dba7dba]

Invented? Nah. Designed? Absolutely. That makes all the difference. Suppliers are suppliers. I don't see why Apple can't have an entire harem of supplier-b*tches working for them. Though apple is moving toward greater self-sufficiency.

This industry needs Apple to make great things out of all the materials out there.

Let's not forget samsung is NOT just one of the suppliers. What hurts apple's behind is these 'suppliers' are making good phones. Sure some claim android on them is not good but hardwarewise these are good, even better than iphones in some areas.

I don't see how Apple can move to self sufficiency. Are they going to buiid/own factories? Don't think that will happen.

 

[Glideslope]

I wonder if business or politics makes stranger bedfellows?

Business. Every Time.

 

[xinu]

I just saw the Beam and go excited for a minute, but for a 15 Lumen projector I don't see the hype.

As a nice toy to impress your friends it's excellent. Other than that, worthless battery eating gadget.
I would prefer to connect my iPad/iPhone/iPod to a real HD Projector or even a dedicated pocket projector instead of making an important business presentation using a crappy low power, low resolution pocket projector.

Or better yet, AirPlay it to an HDTV over an AppleTV at HD Resolutions.

Regarding other specs, it has:
800x480 display resolution
768MB RAM (not 6GB as previously speculated).

Still, it's a good start, a nice teaser for things to (hopefully) come in the future.

1. If Apple would have done LED Projector for iPhone you would shout here OMFG AMAZING INCREDIBLE MADNESS AND MAGIC

2. You can airplay (what a stupid name again) , HDMI-mirror etc with that Samsung Bean too. Of course.

 

[dba7dba]

Mmm... Let me give you an example of what can be called a total failure in the business world. It is from an email I have just received today.

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I don't see how that equals failure. Trust me they are not giving them away for free. Someone is paying for it. And your example only shows phones. That's just ONE of the products I mentioned.

Do you know where I can get a 50" LCD tv for free? RAM? Displays? A4 chip?

 

[I8P'CS]

Who makes iMac screens? if they can't produce an iPad size retina screen how can they produce 21.5 or above screen? In this i mean LG!! NO RETINA IN 2012 IMAC.

 

[ChazUK]

Mmm... Let me give you an example of what can be called a total failure in the business world. It is from an email I have just received today.

"free" subsidized phones a failure?

Interesting.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I don't see how that equals failure. Trust me they are not giving them away for free. Someone is paying for it. And your example only shows phones. That's just ONE of the products I mentioned.

Do you know where I can get a 50" LCD tv for free? RAM? Displays? A4 chip?

Failure equals to not making money or losing money. Think how much are these phones worth that can be used as 2-Year Plan baits.

If the manufacturer has to drop the price enough for the carrier to consider worth offering it for $0.00 with a 2-Year Plan, then it's a Loss = Failure.

I'm only talking about phones and tablets. I have nothing personal against Samsung in regards to their TVs, Appliances, etc. Their TVs IMO are the best out there.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Haha. I got ICS on my galaxy nexus and it is not slow.

I have iOS 5.1 running on my iPad 1 and it is not slow and it is only a lonely single core CPU with 256MB RAM. So what is your point?

By the way, how many Android devices now run ICS? My 2 year iPad, my 2 year old iPod touch and both my iPhones run the latest iOS version.

 

[doboy]

Haha. I got ICS on my galaxy nexus and it is not slow.

Cause it's a nexus device and doesn't have crap skin on top. Prob not the same case when Samsung releases "retina" tablet.

 

[samcraig]

Invented? Nah. Designed? Absolutely. That makes all the difference. Suppliers are suppliers. I don't see why Apple can't have an entire harem of supplier-b*tches working for them. Though apple is moving toward greater self-sufficiency.

This industry needs Apple to make great things out of all the materials out there.

LTD - even if Samsung was JUST a supplier - they still have innovated and maintain the best QA for the components they produce. That's no small potatoes - yet you just want to call them B*****. That's really short sighted - but par for your course.

Innovation comes in many forms. So does excellence.

 

[walie]

Failure equals to not making money or losing money. Think how much are these phones worth that can be used as 2-Year Plan baits.

If the manufacturer has to drop the price enough for the carrier to consider worth offering it for $0.00 with a 2-Year Plan, then it's a Loss = Failure.

I'm only talking about phones and tablets. I have nothing personal against Samsung in regards to their TVs, Appliances, etc. Their TVs IMO are the best out there.

its not the manufacturer that drops the price, its the carrier offering a higher subsidy on the phone for signing a contract. The actual price of the phone NEVER changes

 

[saturn88]

Apple has designed the Retina Display for the iPad. The 2 layer thing that separates the pixels from the signals, they have that patented. That's 7 years of locked down tech, which by that point, will be old news. Samsung is the only company that could prove that they can mass produce it, at this point. Patents show you how they did it, so Samsung now knows and are likely upset they didn't figure it out first, but they want in on the money, so why not make the components (plus, they're good at making components as in they have a low percentage of failed parts). In order for Samsung to have retina type display, they'll have to figure out a different way (even if it's ever so slightly different, as long as it doesn't infringe) or license from Apple (which returns some of that money back to Apple).

So those that think Samsung is supplying the Retina Display because they designed it are in for a wake up call. If they did, why wouldn't they put it in their tablets first?

Because this Apple retina display is an old tech. Apple retina display is still old LCD/LED backlit based technology but just with more pixel density. Samsung owns a much better technology e.g. OLED and AMOLED.

An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels, better angle view, wider color gamut, lower average power consumption and can be thinner and lighter than LCD. Due to its low thermal conductivity, an OLED typically emits less light per area than an inorganic LED. Super OLED and AMOLED (Active-matrix OLED) still could have retina level or even higher pixel density with all of the benefits mentioned above.

Eventually to keep up Apple would have to move to AMOLED when Samsung will have enough production capacity for such large volumes. Nokia and Moto have already equipped their flagship phones with Samsung Super AMOLED displays.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Apple should man up and sue google directly.

"Man up", did you really just write that? Who uses that any more. Not to worry, Apple is establishing precedence by going after the Android device manufacturers first which can be used later against Google. I see Motorola was a great acquisition for Google.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

its not the manufacturer that drops the price, its the carrier offering a higher subsidy on the phone for signing a contract. The actual price of the phone NEVER changes

I would like to believe it too, but I don't think that all subsidies are single-sided. In this case the manufacturer gets stuck with a lot of non-selling devices while new ones come out, so they have to get rid of them quickly.
Just try to count how many smartphone models Samsung has in the market at this time. They are killing their own market.

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Because this Apple retina display is an old tech. Apple retina display is still old LCD/LED backlit based technology but just with more pixel density. Samsung owns a much better technology e.g. OLED and AMOLED.

An OLED display works without a backlight. Thus, it can display deep black levels, better angle view, wider color gamut, lower average power consumption and can be thinner and lighter than LCD. Due to its low thermal conductivity, an OLED typically emits less light per area than an inorganic LED. Super OLED and AMOLED (Active-matrix OLED) still could have retina level or even higher pixel density with all of the benefits mentioned above.

Eventually to keep up Apple would have to move to AMOLED when Samsung will have enough production capacity for such large volumes. Nokia and Moto have already equipped their flagship phones with Samsung Super AMOLED displays.

From Wikipedia:
AMOLED displays may be difficult to view in direct sunlight compared to LCDs because of their reduced maximum brightness.[11] Samsung's Super AMOLED technology addresses this issue by reducing the size of gaps between layers of the screen.[12][13]. Additionally, PenTile technology is sometimes used, rearranging the subpixels for each color and in the case of PenTile RGBW, adding a white subpixel, which lets through more light, thereby increasing brightness, albeit while introducing graininess.
The organic materials used in AMOLED displays are prone to degradation over a period of time. However, technology has been developed to compensate for material degradation.[14][15]
Current demand for AMOLED screens is high and, due to supply shortages of the Samsung-produced displays, certain models of HTC smartphones have been changed to use next-generation LCD displays from the Samsung and Sony joint-venture SLCD in the future.[16] Construction of new production facilities in 2011 will increase the production of AMOLED screens to cope with demand.[17]

 

[walie]

I would like to believe it too, but I don't think that all subsidies are single-sided. In this case the manufacturer gets stuck with a lot of non-selling devices while new ones come out, so they have to get rid of them quickly.
Just try to count how many smartphone models Samsung has in the market at this time. They are killing their own market.

you do know that the carrier "buys" the phones from the manufacturers and the customer then "buys" the phone from the carrier right?

 

[Amazing Iceman]

you do know that the carrier "buys" the phones from the manufacturers and the customer then "buys" the phone from the carrier right?

Absolutely! And if the manufacturer can't sell it, it will drop the price to make it more appealing to the carrier so it can subsidize it within budget.

 

[walie]

Absolutely! And if the manufacturer can't sell it, it will drop the price to make it more appealing to the carrier so it can subsidize it within budget.

incorrect, but whatever

 

[saturn88]

From Wikipedia:
AMOLED displays may be difficult to view in direct sunlight compared to LCDs because of their reduced maximum brightness.[11] Samsung's Super AMOLED technology addresses this issue by reducing the size of gaps between layers of the screen.[12][13]. Additionally, PenTile technology is sometimes used, rearranging the subpixels for each color and in the case of PenTile RGBW, adding a white subpixel, which lets through more light, thereby increasing brightness, albeit while introducing graininess.
The organic materials used in AMOLED displays are prone to degradation over a period of time. However, technology has been developed to compensate for material degradation.[14][15]
Current demand for AMOLED screens is high and, due to supply shortages of the Samsung-produced displays, certain models of HTC smartphones have been changed to use next-generation LCD displays from the Samsung and Sony joint-venture SLCD in the future.[16] Construction of new production facilities in 2011 will increase the production of AMOLED screens to cope with demand.[17]

Your quote is on older generation of AMOLED. Super AMOLED from Wikipedia:

Super AMOLED Plus... the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement. This goes from eight to twelve subpixels per group, resulting in finer details. The screen technology is also brighter, thinner... being 18% more energy efficient than the old Super AMOLED displays.

HD Super AMOLED... Samsung is expected to introduce a new screen using "Real Stripe" RGB subpixels [also non-PenTile] with the move to the laser-induced thermal imaging (LITI) process. This may be called "HD Super AMOLED Plus"... also said to be an important step toward commercializing OLED TVs.

 

[Taz Mangus]

2. You can airplay (what a stupid name again) , HDMI-mirror etc with that Samsung Bean too. Of course.

Samsung Bean LOL! Now there's a great name for a product, so much better than the "Airplay" name. And it only comes installed with Android 2.3. I know, I know it's the phone manufacturers controlling the OS version. But still how long would someone have to wait to get ICS for the Bean, 1 month, 2 months, 6 months. Let me guess it's coming soon. Man that name, Bean.