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Samsung Spinpoint 32mb Cache F1 vs Seagate Barracuda 32mb Cache

wonder when Newegg will begin shipping the 750gb SpinPoint F1 raid class drive?

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...=72&type=58&subtype=70&model_cd=231&ppmi=1162

This is essentially the same drive as the one on Newegg right now except it has a 1.2 million hour guarantee and it's designed to be used in raid setups. Also, if you look at the seek times the raid version is lower.

This is the only site currently that sells the HDD's. I always try to purchase RAID class drives like the raptors for their high hourly guarantee.

http://www.a-power.com/product-4799-288-1

Has anybody dealt with them before?
 
Mr.PS said:
wonder when Newegg will begin shipping the 750gb SpinPoint F1 raid class drive?

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...=72&type=58&subtype=70&model_cd=231&ppmi=1162

This is essentially the same drive as the one on Newegg right now except it has a 1.2 million hour guarantee and it's designed to be used in raid setups. Also, if you look at the seek times the raid version is lower.

This is the only site currently that sells the HDD's. I always try to purchase RAID class drives like the raptors for their high hourly guarantee.

http://www.a-power.com/product-4799-288-1

Has anybody dealt with them before?
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That is the Samsung drive I ordered. I'll report back on noise and speed tomorrow when it arrives. From what I have read it is an extremely good drive.
 
Mr.PS said:
That's the regular consumer desktop drive. Not the enterprise RAID version with a MTBF of 1,200,000. The model number of the raid drive is HE753LJ vs HD753LJ for the desktop drive.
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Oh, good catch. No worries I have no need of the enterprise features anyway. Still should be interesting to see the performance of the drive, I doubt there will be a lot of difference in terms of speed between the two. Just reliability.
 
Cromulent said:
Oh, good catch. No worries I have no need of the enterprise features anyway. Still should be interesting to see the performance of the drive, I doubt there will be a lot of difference in terms of speed between the two. Just reliability.
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Most likely not. The RAID class drive has a lower seek time, but yes it's mostly reliability.
 
Mr.PS said:
Most likely not. The RAID class drive has a lower seek time, but yes it's mostly reliability.
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According to the Samsung website they both have a seek time of 8.9ms and a latency of 4.17ms.

I've done some benchmarks of my 7200.10 Seagate drive and my Western Digital drive and once I have this installed I'll post all three for comparison.
 
I really want the damn raid class drives with the 1,200,000 hour MTBF. I can't find them anywhere tho! :(
 
"Hitachi and Seagate still offer better access times, which is why Samsung does not dominate the I/O benchmarks, but only the Barracuda 7200.11's access time is noticeably quicker. The maximum throughput of 118 MB/s is up to 18% faster than Seagate's 100 MB/s maximum, and the average and minimum throughput when reading and writing also dominate the benchmark results."

I'd like to know if the benchmarks were done on the old seagate firmware or the new one.

Here's hoping someone can do a test in real world mac pro apps between the HD's with 32mb cache, it's doing my head in deciding between the two.

I'm guessing though that the raid class versions of the Samsungs are going to be the choice around here.
 
ekwipt said:
"Hitachi and Seagate still offer better access times, which is why Samsung does not dominate the I/O benchmarks, but only the Barracuda 7200.11's access time is noticeably quicker. The maximum throughput of 118 MB/s is up to 18% faster than Seagate's 100 MB/s maximum, and the average and minimum throughput when reading and writing also dominate the benchmark results."

I'd like to know if the benchmarks were done on the old seagate firmware or the new one.

Here's hoping someone can do a test in real world mac pro apps between the HD's with 32mb cache, it's doing my head in deciding between the two.

I'm guessing though that the raid class versions of the Samsungs are going to be the choice around here.
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If you can find the raid class versions for sale in the U.S :) As for the Samsungs vs Seagates. I'd go for the Samsungs because they use less platters and run much cooler. Less moving parts, less noise (Barracudas are already very silent), and less heat. Those 2 things make them awsome!
 
Cromulent said:
What do you mean by fix? Do you mean one of your hard drives has crashed or that you have corrupted the RAID volume?
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What I meant is what do you have to do to set it up!? Is it a complicated task and is it really worth it?
 
LeKiD said:
What I meant is what do you have to do to set it up!? Is it a complicated task and is it really worth it?
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Very easy to setup. Put in two disks, select them, and build an array with disk utilities. It's very worth it in my opinion. If you're using raid 1, rebuilding is very easy, raid 0 will be equally as easy with proper backups, at the cost more headache. If you want the best of both, go 0+1.
 
Cromulent said:
Except it is a SATA 150 drive and the Mac Pro uses SATA 300 so you've pretty much cut the speed on the drives interface in half.
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Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. No drives can saturate a SATA 150 interface yet, let alone a 300. It will make no difference whatsoever.
 
Cromulent said:
Compare the speed of a SATA 150 drive to a SATA 300 drive (real world speed that is) and then tell me it is nonsense again.
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Cromulent, It's still nonsense.

So far, the SATA bus speed has no impact on the drive transfer speeds. Older drives are 150, newer 300, and newer drives tend to be faster, but it's not because of bus limitations. Despite most SATA 300 drives being faster than older SATA 150 ones, they'll run just as fast on a 150 bus. All the Western Digital Raptor drives are still SATA 150, and still very quick.
 
I can't find the Enterprise Raid Class drives, I will just go with the desktop drives. Oh well.
 
Mr.PS said:
wonder when Newegg will begin shipping the 750gb SpinPoint F1 raid class drive?

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...=72&type=58&subtype=70&model_cd=231&ppmi=1162

This is essentially the same drive as the one on Newegg right now except it has a 1.2 million hour guarantee and it's designed to be used in raid setups. Also, if you look at the seek times the raid version is lower.

This is the only site currently that sells the HDD's. I always try to purchase RAID class drives like the raptors for their high hourly guarantee.

http://www.a-power.com/product-4799-288-1

Has anybody dealt with them before?
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Mr.PS - there is NO 1,200,000 hour guarantee - simply a MTBF as your later posts point out. Several have reported that all the drives come off the same production line with the same components - some are tested a bit more and "certified" as enterprise 1,200,000 MTBF drives. In real life I do not believe you will experience ANY difference in reliability or life span between the two.
 
Neo42 said:
I'm awaiting my 3.0GHz/8800GT as well, but have these drives waiting:

OS & Apps: WD Raptor X 150GB (Top Speed)
Data: Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB (Fast/Quiet/Efficient)

I chose the F1 after this review:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/21/samsung_overtakes_with_a_bang/

Looking at a different mounting option for the Raptor X: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/tips/MacP....html#storytop
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Another thing to consider is boot speed. The F1 seems to have great raw transfer rates, but Western Digital Caviar SE16 or RE2 models are great for fast boot times. Then again, Spinpoint F1 isn't on these charts.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13253/5
 
Blogger said:
Cromulent, It's still nonsense.

So far, the SATA bus speed has no impact on the drive transfer speeds. Older drives are 150, newer 300, and newer drives tend to be faster, but it's not because of bus limitations. Despite most SATA 300 drives being faster than older SATA 150 ones, they'll run just as fast on a 150 bus. All the Western Digital Raptor drives are still SATA 150, and still very quick.
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Blogger - you are essentially correct. The 150 vs 300 refers simply to the bus bandwidth capacity - nothing to do with what a single drive puts out. 150 Gb/s roughly translates to 150 MB/s throughput - no single drive is close to that today. Some high performance striped RAID arrays would approach bandwidth saturation on only the outer portion of the disks (highest linear velocity). 150Gb/s is good to go for 99% of us.
 
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