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Samsung Spinpoint 32mb Cache F1 vs Seagate Barracuda 32mb Cache

Apple Corps said:
Blogger - you are essentially correct. The 150 vs 300 refers simply to the bus bandwidth capacity - nothing to do with what a single drive puts out. 150 Gb/s roughly translates to 150 MB/s throughput - no single drive is close to that today. Some high performance striped RAID arrays would approach bandwidth saturation on only the outer portion of the disks (highest linear velocity). 150Gb/s is good to go for 99% of us.
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There is no guarantee, of course, but all of the enterprise level drives i've bought like the Raptors have outlasted desktop drives. I'm not waiting around for them and ordering the regular consumer line. There is probably minimal difference as you said.
 
Mr.PS - I'm starting to think through my next expansion of storage and will go with the F1. The areal density per platter is the highest available = faster data flow under the heads for a given rpm and track. Low power, low noise should = long life.

I've also discovered that this drive selection thing can keep you "noodling" for long periods with minimal value added. We run Raptor, Seagate, and Hitachi drives - great luck with all of them thus far.
 
Apple Corps said:
Mr.PS - I'm starting to think through m next expansion of storage and will go with the F1. The areal density per platter is the highest available = faster data flow under the heads for a given rpm and track. Low power, low noise should = long life.

I've also discovered that this drive selection thing can keep you "noodling" for long periods with minimal value added. We run Raptor, Seagate, and Hitachi drives - great luck with all of them thus far.
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I have 2 x 36gb raptors in raid 0 on my pc. 2 x 80gb Seagate Barracudas in raid 1 on my CentOS file server, and 2 x 160gb Seagate Barracudas on another PC in raid 1.

I just placed an order for the Spinpoint F1's. I'm going to run them in Raid 0 on my Mac Pro.

How can I move all of my data including Leopard over from the stock 320gb HDD to the raid 0? I'm guessing image it and then move it over to the array? I will probably use the 320gb drive for time machine.
 
Apple Corps said:
Mr.PS - I'm starting to think through my next expansion of storage and will go with the F1. The areal density per platter is the highest available = faster data flow under the heads for a given rpm and track.
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My impression is that this is true of the F1 1TB, but not of the (much cheaper) F1 750GB; for example, see http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=26328

I've also read that WD is coming out with a two-platter 640GB labeled WD6400AAKS in the very near future. I am leaning toward one or two of those as my top choice for extra space for my (waiting to be shipped) Mac Pro w/ 8800GT; hopefully some reviews will be available before I need to decide.
 
Coruscater said:
My impression is that this is true of the F1 1TB, but not of the (much cheaper) F1 750GB; for example, see http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=26328

I've also read that WD is coming out with a two-platter 640GB labeled WD6400AAKS in the very near future. I am leaning toward one or two of those as my top choice for extra space for my (waiting to be shipped) Mac Pro w/ 8800GT; hopefully some reviews will be available before I need to decide.
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The 750gb model still has fewer platters and a larger aerial density then all the other drives in it's class.
 
It'll be nice when we can get a 128MB solid state drive for a desktop. That would be the ultimate boot drive. I have A LOT of programs installed on my boot drive and it only takes up about 80gigs with the OS. That would be wicked fast!
 
Mr.PS said:
The 750gb model still has fewer platters and a larger aerial density then all the other drives in it's class.
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I think that depends on what you mean by "class". The Barracuda 7200.11 750gb has three platters (see http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_11.pdf ) just like the Spinpoint F1 750gb and is similar in price. I think there is a popular assumption that the Spinpoint F1 750gb is better because there are plenty of formal and informal reviews that contrast the 4 platter Barracuda 7200.11 1TB with the 3 platter Spinpoint F1 1TB and (not surprisingly) show that the Spinpoint F1 1TB has a significant edge. However, I don't think those results are relevant to comparing the 3 platter 750gb models across these two brands.
 
I have two Samsungs in my MacPro which I moved from an Addonics external. No problem on prior use, no problem on install, no problem on current use. I bought based on the various reviews that I read and I have no complaints about the Samsungs. Good luck on making a decision, as it always comes down to a guess and a hope (and a good price).:)
 
I really do think the problems were with Nforce and Via chipsets. The Samsung's seem to be rock solid on Mac's.
 
Haven't tried the Samsung.

I been using the 500G and 1000G Seagate 7200.11 drives with no problems. And they very fast.
 
wires or connectors needed?

Looks like several of you have 750GB spinpoint drives from Newegg. I received two of them today. My Mac Pro - my first Mac ever - arrives on Monday assuming FedEx works that holiday. I was just looking over the instructions and see that I have to connect two wires/cables. Are these wires already part of the Mac Pro wiring harness or do I have to buy them? I just want to be ready to go when the Mac Pro gets here. Thanks for your help.
 
prestonkd said:
Looks like several of you have 750GB spinpoint drives from Newegg. I received two of them today. My Mac Pro - my first Mac ever - arrives on Monday assuming FedEx works that holiday. I was just looking over the instructions and see that I have to connect two wires/cables. Are these wires already part of the Mac Pro wiring harness or do I have to buy them? I just want to be ready to go when the Mac Pro gets here. Thanks for your help.
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http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/index.cfm?page=Video/macpro/hd/high.html

That will answer all of your questions!
 
That was amazing - and quick! I don't even have my speakers hooked up and it answered my questions. I thought it should work like that after looking at the back of the drive. Of course, then because I have no Mac Pro and loads of extra time to get into trouble - I read the instructions that came with the drive and it was showing pictures of wires. Of course my drive came with no wires. Maybe thats a PC thing. Anyway good to know I don't need them. Thanks for the quick response. Now I can go read the instructions for all of the other stuff I have to go in this monster when it gets here.
 
The majority of the seagate drives seem to all be coming with the good firmware now. I have two of them in raid 0. The computer literally starts up so fast that it goes strait from the grey screen with the apple on it to the desktop. I don't get the blue "welcome to osx" screen at all. Also the instant it gets to the desktop the computer is usable.
 
Samsung drives & Bare Feats drive

I'm also about to purchase a couple of drives for my new MacPro (8 core Jan-2008) and I had a couple of questions. I'm a photoshop guru but I'm not a hardware expert - all this tech research is making me a little batty! I was going to go with the new WD 640 gig w/2 platter and then I thought why not just buy 1TB drives now. I want a fast boot drive and something that can move data around quickly (I have 400 megs of images now)...

Bare Feats published a "Boot Drive" roundup review and made the following comments about the Samsung drives:

"We added two more drives to the mix. You might recall our shock when the vaunted Samsung Spinpoint F1 750GB only could manage 70MB/s in our 100MB sustained test. It went faster when connected externally to the Firmtek SeriTek/2SE2-E PCIe SATA host adapter (which can't boot OS X) but not as fast as we expected. So we obtained the 1000GB version of the Samsung Spinpoint F1. It was much faster at 100MB/s READ and 108MB/s WRITE (average of 5 runs). So of the 7K SATA drives, it's the new "king of sustained transfers."

Any comments? Is there really a difference between Seagate, Samsung, and Hitachi?

Thanks,
Mark
 
anyone care to compare Samsung 750GB F1 benchmarks with me? After reading some other posts, I was expecting to get an overall score of around 100, though I am getting closer to the mid-80s as you'll see in the snapshot below. I'm not complaining; afterall, the same test on my stock 320GB Western Digital yielded closer to 50, though I'm a little concerned as to why it appears lower than everyone else's results. It also gives identical performance to another WD drive I tried that had a 16MB cache.


On the flip side, it appears to run about 18 degrees cooler than the stock drive.

  • 1x SAMSUNG HD753
  • Currently empty and formatted as one large partition. I want to leave it running for a while to test stability before I install the OS on it
  • 32MB cache
  • 2nd Hard Drive Bay
  • First Aid says the drive is ok.

Also, does anyone know a proper way of testing a drive for errors/problems, or is first aid good enough?

Thanks in advance
 

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what utility did you use, I would like to run this on the stock drive that came with my new MacPro before I change drives....

Mark
 
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