Samsung Still Has No Idea When the Galaxy Fold Will Launch

[Jsameds]

With your logic, that’s even worse for Apple! Not to mention they showed a product off at a keynote they had no business showing. Lmao talk about a fail

It was 90 second sneak peek demo, that's it.

Samsung demoed their units, made ads, hyped the product several times, took pre-orders, went into full scale production, sent out test units, then recalled the test units and cancelled the shipments days before release.

Not. Remotely. Comparable.

 

[sinsin07]

Wrong/ both are consumer products.
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Showing off a product at a major keynote, then promising a release date?

Is this Tim Cook I’m speaking with?

I never alluded to announcing a product before it's ready was a good thing by Apple.

It was not.

Releasing a half baked product to Journalist reviewers, the public is never good, no matter who does it, Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, whoever.

However, after announcing a product will be delivered and then realizing it won't work and scrapping it is better than releasing a half backed product.

Two takeaways, one for Apple, one for Samsung:

Apple: Now there will always be doubt in some minds if Apple continues future date announcements about some new future product whether it will come to fruition. Reference will me made to Air Power. Not good.

Samsung: Now there will always be doubts in some minds about new risky innovations by Samsung. Galaxy Fold will come to mind. Not good.

 

[YaBe]

Nobody remembers who did it first, only who did it best.

People remember the Zune, the Galaxy Note 7, the PowerMac G4 Cube.....

 

[PrasadV]

Bingo! And that’s the way it has been since 2007-08.

Much like people in life, you are ridiculed to no end if you march to the beat of your own drum and make no apologies for it. Apple marches to the beat of their own drum and are WINNING in the most spectacular way while doing it. This makes people crazy. On top of this they are admired and adored.

Suddenly the world needs foldable displays?? To the point that Apple is somehow “late” (lol) and not innovating because they don’t have any on the market??? Please. Show me all these people with their amazing folding smartphones that know something we don’t.

Apple is working on a car. They are working on the Mac Pro. They are working on health innovations and beyond for Apple Watch. They are moving heaven and earth to engineer whatever innovation will come after the amazing true depth camera system/Face ID (the one no one else can match). They’re spending A TON of money funding the development of games for Apple Arcade. They are possibly even working on 8k AR goggles. They don’t have time to worry about passing gimmicks the tech press are temporarily obsessed with.

100 likes... nailed it.

 

[AnthonyHarris]

There are MANY reports of compressed air not working. What do you think happens when Apple has to replace the keyboard and top of case? It’s because it’s not just crumbs and dust that get in there. On my own MBP, I have two keys with problems. The “4” key seems to have been solved with compressed air. The “b” key did not, not even when the genius tried it. I couldn’t afford to leave it with them for a week to fix it, and they wouldn’t promise me “next day” when I tried again to bring it in, so it still is messed up.

Yes, but it isn't because the white plastic mechanism is snapping. If that were the case the keys would just fall out or lift up.

I fear it is more related to dust and lack of cleaning than anyone would like to admit. I had heard about the key issues when I bought my MacBook Pro and have given it a little blast of air every other month to keep it clean and have had absolutely no issues.

I've heard people say "Oh, well I never had to clean my old MacBook Pro keyboard"... That is just disgusting. Period. lol.

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Anyway. Back to the topic at hand. Hopefully Samsung will eventually bring a product to market that will work and those people that wish to purchase one will be able to in the knowledge that changes were made to make a better, stronger product.

 

[Onelifenofear]

No Idea why this is still an issue anymore with the new bonus accessories you get.

 

[sinsin07]

People remember the Zune, the Galaxy Note 7, the PowerMac G4 Cube.....

What were the above mentioned devices first in?

For reference:

Nobody remembers who did it first, only who did it best.

 

[PrasadV]

There are two players in this saga. One is Samsung Electronics, the people who came up with the display. That's innovative, in that they found a way to create something neat. The second is Samsung Mobile, the ones who tried to productize the display.

There is apparently a severe disconnect between divisions, in that Mobile believed the screen was ready for prime time. It's unclear what the electronics division said about the readiness of the foldable display.

We'll see who's head rolls over this. It will become a mistake worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. More importantly it's a major embarrassment for Samsung.

you are being soft on samesung... even Chinese OEMs value their reputation more than Samesung...
even after Note 7 failure and this f..d phone, people still saying 'they are at least trying' without understanding why they rushed first to market... its just to create that illusion they are innovating... I think people are gullible and Samesung followers are top class in that...

 

[MadDawg2020]

At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.

I guess you have missed the past ten years and the many products Apple has introduced!

What’s the point of ‘innovating’ and rushing to be first to market if the tech FAILS before it is even launched?!

Try some R&D and more importantly testing BEFORE launching a product!
If it means Apple takes 1 more year to launch 5G ( - and despite AT$T placing a meaningless 5G icon claiming so, there are exactly ZERO fully functional widespread 5G Networks right now!) or of it means 3 more years to launch a folding screen - so be it! - at least we know it will WORK when finally launched!

 

[FFR]

There are two players in this saga. One is Samsung Electronics, the people who came up with the display. That's innovative, in that they found a way to create something neat. The second is Samsung Mobile, the ones who tried to productize the display.

There is apparently a severe disconnect between divisions, in that Mobile believed the screen was ready for prime time. It's unclear what the electronics division said about the readiness of the foldable display.

We'll see who's head rolls over this. It will become a mistake worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. More importantly it's a major embarrassment for Samsung.

I think your talking about Samsung display and Samsung mobile, the are both under Samsung electronics.

Samsung mobile posted a 40% decline in revenue for the first quarter.
Samsung display posted a loss
Samsung electronics is down 60% yoy

It hasn’t been this bad for Samsung since the note 7 explosion, and they had to sell three subsidiaries just to brush it under the rug.

Samsung display also stated that they don’t have any orders for foldable display from any other oem.

Not good for Samsung.

 

[sinsin07]

I think your talking about Samsung display and Samsung mobile, the are both under Samsung electronics.

Samsung mobile posted a 40% decline in revenue for the first quarter.
Samsung display posted a loss
Samsung electronics is down 60% yoy

It hasn’t been this bad for Samsung since the note 7 explosion, and they had to sell three subsidiaries just to brush it under the rug.

Samsung display also stated that they don’t have any orders for foldable display from any other oem.

Not good for Samsung.

In this particular instance they should have followed their usually practice and wait for someone else, then warm up the copiers.

It appears Marketing may have ignored the copy phase.

Guess Samesung learned a valuable less here: "It's hard to innovate when you don't have anyone to copy from."

 

[YaBe]

What were the above mentioned devices first in?

For reference:

They didn’t do it better either but still remembered......but....we’ll it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously...

 

[FFR]

Wrong/ both are consumer products.
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Showing off a product at a major keynote, then promising a release date?

Is this Tim Cook I’m speaking with?

I believe it’s dj koh announcing then canceling the fold. You know because it can’t fold

 

[PastaPrimav]

Wrong/ both are consumer products.
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Showing off a product at a major keynote, then promising a release date?

Is this Tim Cook I’m speaking with?

I hear they both use electronics too.
[doublepost=1557240330][/doublepost]I'm not sure which is worse...this flop of a product, or the way Samsung is handling it.

 

[FFR]

In this particular instance they should have followed their usually practice and wait for someone else, then warm up the copiers.
It appears Marketing may have ignored the copy phase.

Guess Samesung learned a valuable less here: "It's hard to innovate when you don't have anyone to copy from."

Samsung is more of a follower, I mean copier.
It never turns out well for them when they lead.

I believe Samsung’s Modus operandi is as follows.

Mock the innovation
Copy the innovation
Claim the innovation

If they skip a step....

 

[theonekcrow]

The Fold is innovative, and pretty cool, I will give it that, but this is what you get for trying to rush things out the door to beat a competitor. Apparently no lessons were learned from the Note 7.

And I know the Note 7 was due to battery faults that are not necessarily only Samsung’s fault, but when you are rushing component suppliers just so you can beat your competition to market, that kind of situation is bound to occur.

 

[dannyyankou]

I've said this before, I think they're going to "Airpower" the whole thing.

 

[cocky jeremy]

At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.

They're real innovators alright. Always finding new ways to fail.

 

[Alan Wynn]

The “4” key seems to have been solved with compressed air. The “b” key did not, not even when the genius tried it.

Now you are just whining. How often do you need a ‘b’ anyway? Just keep it on your clipboard and use command-v instead!

A friend commented that he was glad he switched to an iPad as his primary portable device, as the keyboard was more reliable than on his MacBook Pro. ;-)

 

[pweicks]

At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.

You know they’re chargin $2,000 for this thing right?

 

[Jakewilk]

A folding display in a form factor like that requires a lot of innovation.

Actually hinges have been around for millennia. That tech has been long perfected

 

[EdT]

I’m sure that Apple has at least considered trying to build a folding screen device. It’s obvious, in hindsight, that Samsung needed more time or development or testing before they released their product.

Apple isn’t Samsung’s only major competitor. Chinese phone manufacturers are also reportedly working on folding screen phones and Samsung may have been trying to beat them to market and not as worried about Apple, since keeping secrets like this has become difficult for all manufacturers. Samsung may not have been trying to beat Apple to market but Huawei.

 

[joueboy]

Imagine this to be an Apple product, they really can't afford a snafu in this magnitude. Yes to innovation. No to recklessy announcing a flawed design to the market just to be first.

ROFL! Antenna Gate, Bend Gate, Butterfly Keyboard, Touch Disease, iOS slowing down, iPhone 7, MacBooks dying display, AirPower and the list goes on... What a short term memory you have lad...

 

[slide_to_unlock]

everything is working requires modern problem.

 

[Alan Wynn]

With your logic, that’s even worse for Apple! Not to mention they showed a product off at a keynote they had no business showing. Lmao talk about a fail

Even by your own logic your argument fails.

1. Apple previewed technology working in its lab and said it expected to release it at some point in the future.
2. After testing, determined it could not scale production and so said it was not going to release it.

1. Samsung showed the product at its keynote, not as a proof of concept, but as an announced product.
2. They announced a ship date.
3. They took pre-orders (collecting money).
4. They began manufacturing the product.
5. They shipped it to reviewers (meaning they thought the product was ready to ship, not that they sent reviewers a prototype and said: “This is just a concept, treat it really gingerly, as it does not really work yet.”).
6. Samsung has now “delayed” (indefinitely) the release and is offering to refund customers’ money.

Apple showed a concept that they have not yet figured out how to deploy at scale.

Samsung went most of the way through the release cycle for a product that was clearly not ready.