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Scrap it and go back to the drawing board. Even without the device having major hardware issues, it doesn't bring any real value to the table. A huge bezel phone that is barely pocketable and a small tablet without any apps to use is not better than anything we have today. The folding screen itself is impressive, but they are trying to force a use case. Look to solve a problem first and then develop a device around that. Right now it's just two phones slapped together with a hinge and folding screen, pretty useless.
 
Compressed air doesn’t help when the tiny little prongs break or warp, which seems to be the real problem. The failure rate doesn’t appear any lower with the new keyboards with the membranes according to institutions that buy a lot of macs.

I've not heard of many accounts of them just breaking from general usage. They might snap when you try and pry the key off but that is an entirely different thing.
 
There is no need for you to suspect anything.
That is exactly how the internet works (and especially in fan forums).
Nothing you can say or do will change that, so either live with it or stay of the interwebs (and especially fan forums).
Need color to sell your point? Call it what you will “innovation”, “foldgate”, etc. The bottom line is it sucks right now. Until the experience is better than carrying both a phone and a tablet, it will not take off.
 
this thing is vaporware ... never meant to go in the market.

no sane company would give it to influencers knowing its this ****ed up. it was kind of "suicide by cop" action from samsung!
 
At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.
Lol, such a hilarious take.

The only thing innovative Samsung did was get people to give them $2,000 for a device that has no release date...

1) Samsung didn't solve any problems with the Fold. They created more.

2) You not acknowledging the innovation at Apple doesn’t mean it’s not there.

3) Shoving down your throat? You don’t have to buy anything from Apple.

Buy the Fold...then you’ll have your “innovation” and be out $2000 with no shipped device.
 
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To continue your thoughts of "if it's Samsung and not Apple", I can't help but feel a lot of the posters defending this product would be far more vocal about its failings had Apple released this half-baked mess.

Bingo! And that’s the way it has been since 2007-08.

Much like people in life, you are ridiculed to no end if you march to the beat of your own drum and make no apologies for it. Apple marches to the beat of their own drum and are WINNING in the most spectacular way while doing it. This makes people crazy. On top of this they are admired and adored.

Suddenly the world needs foldable displays?? To the point that Apple is somehow “late” (lol) and not innovating because they don’t have any on the market??? Please. Show me all these people with their amazing folding smartphones that know something we don’t.

Apple is working on a car. They are working on the Mac Pro. They are working on health innovations and beyond for Apple Watch. They are moving heaven and earth to engineer whatever innovation will come after the amazing true depth camera system/Face ID (the one no one else can match). They’re spending A TON of money funding the development of games for Apple Arcade. They are possibly even working on 8k AR goggles. They don’t have time to worry about passing gimmicks the tech press are temporarily obsessed with.
 
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Need color to sell your point? Call it what you will “innovation”, “foldgate”, etc. The bottom line is it sucks right now. Until the experience is better than carrying both a phone and a tablet, it will not take off.
Looks like the color worked.
You're singing a different tune now.
 
I stand with Samsung. They put in the effort. 3D TV, curved displays, Air View, Smart Scroll. Tremendous innovation.

What do we get from Apple? 3D Touch. APFS. Swift. Mission Control. Really, Apple?

Apple fails because they don’t attempt bling. They don’t attempt novelty. Samsung wins because they feed the need for novelty. Throw it out there and see what sticks. It’s about COOL. They GET it. Apple used to be cool but they lame now. 99.9% of people don’t use or need technology as “tools.”

For example, Apple is revamping Reminders for iOS 13. Who uses Reminders??? You know what’s important? Custom icons. Custom fonts. I wanna use Comic Sans as my font but Apple be lame.
 
What would you call the butterfly keyboard? In my opinion that is clearly a case of over engineering something and we’re seeing the results which are not good.
Design-led engineering.

It's not like Apple just happened to have the butterfly keyboard specs lying around and decided that they had to design a laptop around it. They wanted a thinner macbook, and so set about trying to reinvent every aspect of said product in order to shave off every last mm they could. The butterfly keyboard was, like the W1 chip, a means to an end. An example of Apple being willing to custom-engineer a particular piece of tech in order to achieve an internal goal. Just that unfortunately, it simply didn't pan out, and we evidently still don't know the reason why (one theory I read somewhere is that it is actually the heat from the keys being so close to the processors that is causing the keys to melt and fail over time).
 
I am not the guy you were arguing with.
Yeah I see that now.
My bad.
Your response has nothing to do with what I responded to or what the other poster alluded to.
Go back and read the other poster comment.
Your response is opposite of what he comments on.
In any regard, it still appears color worked.
It got your attention.
Try again.
 
Lots of talk about innovation and/or lack of it here, here’s my 2 cents:

For me, FaceID has been an improvement over Touch ID, although this isn’t a deal maker or breaker to me. As a personal preference, the notch doesn’t bother me.

I don’t like the removal of the headphone jack. No ones earbud style headphones fit well into my ear. Not Apple’s or Jabra or Bose or Panasonic or Sony. This isn’t a new situation for me, the included wired Apple earphones never worked for me either. My solution in the past was a set of noise canceling Bose over the ear headphones for serious listening and cheap 10 dollar wired earbuds for general use. The cheap sets were available almost everywhere and the wire meant they were harder to lose when they did pop out. And for me, it’s always been a case of when not if they would fall out.

AR hasn’t done anything for me. This seems to be the advancement that Apple was betting on.

As of right now, and with what I know about them, folding screens aren’t something I will initially be interested in. Way too expensive and very limited benefits for using them, even if you ignore the reliability factor. The ‘X’ line of phones, and the Android equivalents, are already too expensive. I don’t think I will spend $2000 on a phone. I know I won’t spend that much on a phone 2 years in a row. Reliability is something that anyone who releases a folding phone is going to have to prove, I’m not going to pay that much on something that doesn’t last.

I don’t know what new feature or ability would be a must have in an upcoming phone, from anyone. I don’t think anyone making the phones really knows either. You could double down on reliability and cost reductions but then what do you do in the following years?
 
Yeah I see that now.
My bad.
Your response has nothing to do with what I responded to or what the other poster alluded to.
Go back and read the other poster comment.
Your response is opposite of what he comments on.
Try again.
 
Except Apple never set a release date for AirPower and never gave tech media review units that didn’t work. No comparison.
No but they did announce the product as "coming soon". I didn't say it wasn't a direct comparison. People are so literal sometimes.

Just that all companies have public failures. Yes, Samsung have dropped a QC bollock here yet again, but it's nowhere near the catastrophic Note debacle. Rather than people enjoying schadenfreude (imagine there's as many doing that here judging by comments, as at Apple Park), it's a shame as this sort of thing doesn't really benefit the consumer in driving tech forward.
 
Yeah I see that now.
My bad.
Your response has nothing to do with what I responded to or what the other poster alluded to.
Go back and read the other poster comment.
Your response is opposite of what he comments on.
In any regard, it still appears color worked.
It got your attention.
Try again.
Color is for person seeking attention. Real info will find the way to the surface, unlike lipstick on a pig.
 
Personally I see no value in a folding screen. For two grand I can have my iPhone and iPad, and can't imagine a scenario where I'd need to combine them into a single product, particularly one that is inferior to each individual product in a fundamental aspect, whether thickness, screeen size or reliability.
 
At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.

Nice first comment - first and only thing I took from it was “trying” - not hard to release an innovative product if it doesn’t actually work - hey look at my just released nuclear powered flying car !
 
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But you babbled innovation. And I was amused. So I put you into the reality of “how it is” not “what it could have been”. Who cares about that guy. I replied to you.
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This is what you quoted and repsonded to in post 128.
There is no need for you to suspect anything.
That is exactly how the internet works (and especially in fan forums).
Nothing you can say or do will change that, so either live with it or stay of the interwebs (and especially fan forums).
Where does it mention innovation?
It appears you intended to quote a different post of mine or seriously confused.
Take a rest from the keyboard and get your thoughts together.
 
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This is what you quoted and repsonded to in post 128.

Where does it mention innovation?
It appears you intended to quote a different post of mine or seriously confused.
Take a rest from the keyboard and get your thoughts together.
My bad. The main point is still color. Like lipstick on a pig. See the edit one.
 
Color is for person seeking attention. Real info will find the way to the surface, unlike lipstick on a pig.
That's an opinion.
Color in a post can have more than one meaning.
If the color bothers you ignore it and move on.
Else put on sunglasses to dampen the effect if it's that much of a bother.
My bad. The main point is still color. Like lipstick on a pig. See the edit one.
Well that would be an opinion, totally irrelevant and can be safely ignored.
I'll leave the pigs and lipstick to you as you seem to be an expert on that subject.
Come back when you have some facts that can be objectively discussed.
 
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