Samsung to Reveal Results of Galaxy Note7 Fire Investigation Later This Month

[BornAgainMac]

"Gremlins! Gremlins everywhere!" shouted a visibly stressed, sweaty Samsung spokesperson at the press conference, his hands waving hopelessly in the air.

That man later becomes Captain James T. Kirk. I have seen a Tricorder blow up (Samsung battery?) on the show but never the communicator.

 

[8692574]

The amount of pro Samsung post and upvote on a "Mac" site is just amazing. This thread just goes to show where all the toxic posts of this site is originated. It also show how insecure Samsung's internet warriors are. Wasting all their holiday times hating and flaming on brand that has nothing to do with their live.

So people with different opinions from "lemmings" are now toxic, warriors other name calling? (very mature btw).

It just So you are wasting all your holiday times defending on brand (Apple in this case) that can very much defend itself and does need more lawyers?

Why being so touchy, I mean if someone likes a different product, does not make YOUR gadget any less functional, and he / she is entitled in coming here and discuss about it!

 

[Pootmatoot]

The amount of pro Samsung post and upvote on a "Mac" site is just amazing. This thread just goes to show where all the toxic posts of this site is originated. It also show how insecure Samsung's internet warriors are. Wasting all their holiday times hating and flaming on brand that has nothing to do with their live.

I think the bulk of readers here like good tech. They damn or praise companies based on the facts.

This isn't a football match

 

[wiggums1]

I suspect they concluded that it got hot, really ******** hot

 

[69Mustang]

The amount of pro Samsung post and upvote on a "Mac" site is just amazing. This thread just goes to show where all the toxic posts of this site is originated. It also show how insecure Samsung's internet warriors are. Wasting all their holiday times hating and flaming on brand that has nothing to do with their live.

You mean the amount of people who can think independently of their product choices? Some people, like me for instance, use products from different companies. We are more influenced by how the products fit our use case. So I guess we have toxicity from your imagined haters flaming on a brand mixed with your toxicity flaming on the flamers. They're wasting their time, at least according to you. And you are... Doin' gods work son, as a internet warrior for Apple. Teehee.

 

[HiVolt]

How do they release brand new phones with a 14 month old operating system?

This is what always intrigues me about Android manufacturers... If you're lucky you get ONE major OS upgrade, then your phone is obsoleted from future enhancements.

 

[69Mustang]

Wait...let me get this straight....Do people still BUY Samsung smartphones? Their flagship model caught fire and EXPLODED...SPONTANEOUSLY! Then, after the explanation and recall, the replacement phones had the same problem!! They could have the coolest phones on the market, but you couldn't pay me enough money to bring one of their products into my house and actually plug it into an outlet. Well, I suppose if I were planning to burn my house down and collect the insurance money...yeah, then maybe I'd consider it. Otherwise, I think I'd have to have my head examined before trusting a Samsung smartphone. My 2-year-old Samsung washer and dryer give me all kinds of problems as it is. I think I'm done with that company going forward.

If you drive a car/truck I can guarantee either it or one of it's stable mates has had a recall, probably multiple.
I guarantee if you've taken any medicine, either it or one of it's stable mates has had a recall, probably multiple.
If you've eaten food or drank, well anything, either it or one of it's stable mates has had a recall, probably multiple. So are you willing to give up everything from every brand that has had a recall? Because you'd be giving up Apple as well.

 

[thatanonymoususer]

It's been pretty widely reported that they didn't give the battery enough room to expand, so when the battery expanded, the plates would get squeezed together, make contact, and cause the device to explode.

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/new...y-note-7-exploding-overheating/?client=safari

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/instrumental-galaxy-note-7-teardown-news/amp/?client=safari

 

[truthertech]

The Note 7 was the the most exciting phone of 2016 for me. The features and design was on point and it really made the iPhone 6 and even the 7 look like dated junk. I wish the would release the Note 8 cause it there are some rumors saying the next iphone could still use the same design and the 7.

Fate has done you a huge favor by giving you time to consider the enormous privacy and security sacrifice you are making by handing every detail of your family's private life to Google. Remember that everyone of the systems you will be using are designed to amass every detail of you and your family's private life into a dossier specifically linked to you and your family. That dossier likely contains:

• every email you've ever sent or received
• every social media post you've ever made
• every blogger, twitterer, etc., you follow or read
• every picture you've ever taken or received
• every search you've ever made
• every web site you've ever visited
• every purchase you've ever made
• every movie you've ever watched
• every book or article you've ever read
• every document you've ever created
• every where you've ever driven
• every meeting you've had, the reason, with whom
• etc.

And all of the above, is available to law enforcement, governments, Google's partners, hackers, foreign and domestic intel agencies, criminal organizations, or to anyone Google sells it to in the future.

What's worse, if that's possible, is that by using your Android, you give Google and its successor corporations a "worldwide license" in perpetuity to every aspect of your life that they are able to amass in their dossier on you. It's frightening how many people have quietly accepted this Orwellian future in return for "free" services and "convenience."

Spare me the "I have nothing to fear. I am not a criminal" responses. You know you are whistling past the graveyard.

Hopefully, law enforcement publicly revealing what has been occurring in the background with the Alexa recordings is a wake up call to Americans and people around the world. Companies with a business model that depends on destroying your privacy and security are a threat to your privacy and security. Google makes over 90% of its revenue from using your private information to help advertisers try to target you. They and Facebook will be out of business the same day their advertising model falls. Meanwhile, Apple has taken the opposite approach and is marketing privacy and security to make money. Your privacy and security is in your hands--You have a choice.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Best in what regard? I find Android to be a clunky, awkward mess, and how well does it manage data as you move from device-to-device-to-device, both during use and during an upgrade?

To me, information like my email, contacts and passwords are absolutely important to me, and I've successfully setup and upgraded several computers and iPhones over the past 12 years, and all of my data just seamlessly shows up on all devices, and they stay in sync. Minimal configuration. To me, that's a peace of mind that you just can't buy, and one that I'm not willing to sacrifice for anything. Does this same effortless experience exist on Android? And can you trust that the apps you're using have been vetted for hacks and exploits? To me, living in the Android world would just be far too risky and "messy". But that's my bias.

I'm sure the only thing that would make you happy is an Android free world where Apple would own the entire market. They could slow development and charge more, but strong competition is good for all of us.

As far as everything being in sync I have had no issue with that since I got my first Android phone 6 years ago. I own an iPad and a Mac and everything works great in the Google ecosystem. Saying that an Android phone won't connect or stay in perfect sync with calenders, email, contacts, photos, Google music...etc. is not understanding the Android or Google ecosystem. Google services are top notch.

I found my Note 7 to work very well and I don't have any issue with the S7 edge either. Although I know Apple came out with the new iPhone 7 this year I still feel the hardware design of the Note 7 to be ahead of the new iPhone.

 

[macTW]

Using google: .....iphone 7 catching fire....

https://www.google.nl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=iphone 7 catching fire
Results are thousands issues

When you search for issues with google you will find them for every device !!!

Type your name into google and you'll get millions of results. Does that mean they're all about you? The flaw of using google search numbers as a counter argument to a valid point...
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It is amazing how well Apple PR convinced people that it is somebody else's fault....
Comes to mind the "You are holding it wrong" meme.

Yep NEVER hear Apple taking responsibility for their faults, and you could list at least a dozen cases (from different Apple "cycle") where Apple was of course at fault, but never admitted and blamed either the user or 3rd party.

LIVE ON MY DEAR REALITY DISTORTION FIELD!!

Ok. Seeing as Apple has over 15 repair or replacement programs in place at this moment for faulty products... yes. They must never take the blame.

 

[RedOrchestra]

Meanwhile, Apple has taken the opposite approach and is marketing privacy and security to make money.

"In the wake of an FBI investigation, Apple mounted a high-profile campaign on behalf of its users’ privacy. But it turns out our privacy is still being compromised.

Apple keeps a log of everyone you try to contact using iMessage, according to a leaked documented. These logs contain personal contact information, including phone numbers, and are stored in Apple’s servers for 30 days before being deleted. Furthermore, Apple has shared these server logs with police after being compelled by a court order, according to the leaked document obtained by The Intercept."

 

[I7guy]

"In the wake of an FBI investigation, Apple mounted a high-profile campaign on behalf of its users’ privacy. But it turns out our privacy is still being compromised.

Apple keeps a log of everyone you try to contact using iMessage, according to a leaked documented. These logs contain personal contact information, including phone numbers, and are stored in Apple’s servers for 30 days before being deleted. Furthermore, Apple has shared these server logs with police after being compelled by a court order, according to the leaked document obtained by The Intercept."

Old news, spelled out on Apple dot com. And I did notice the use of the "may" as opposed to "definitely " in the linked article.

 

[Raist3001]

Meanwhile, Apple has taken the opposite approach and is marketing privacy and security to make money. Your privacy and security is in your hands--You have a choice.

I am always amused by people who put so much trust into apple and their privacy policies.

 

[Plutonius]

I'm sure that Samsung report will not be biased .

 

[konqueror4u]

Company needs to learn from those mistakes and move forward. Samsung will strike back galaxy S8. Samsung manufactures some of the key components used in iPhone so they are not company to write off with just one product failure.

 

[foodog]

Wait...let me get this straight....Do people still BUY Samsung smartphones? Their flagship model caught fire and EXPLODED...SPONTANEOUSLY! Then, after the explanation and recall, the replacement phones had the same problem!! They could have the coolest phones on the market, but you couldn't pay me enough money to bring one of their products into my house and actually plug it into an outlet. Well, I suppose if I were planning to burn my house down and collect the insurance money...yeah, then maybe I'd consider it. Otherwise, I think I'd have to have my head examined before trusting a Samsung smartphone. My 2-year-old Samsung washer and dryer give me all kinds of problems as it is. I think I'm done with that company going forward.

I have come to the same conclusion this month when my 1.5 year old Samsung washer dumped water all over the floor everything they make leaks something.

Phones leak fire
Refrigerators leak water (Less than 2 years old and replaced)
Washers leak water (less than 2 years old and just replaced)

 

[RedOrchestra]

Meanwhile, Apple has taken the opposite approach and is marketing privacy and security to make money

"Apple's stance on privacy and security applies only if you don't back up your data to iCloud.

Apple says it can't provide information that's stored on iPhones because it doesn't have access to people's passcodes. Opening the door to those phones for law enforcement could make your personal information vulnerable, Apple argues.

But if you back up to iCloud, Apple does keep the key to those "backed up" emails, photos, personal notes, contacts and calendar events."

 

[lordofthereef]

Say what you will... I commend them for putting in the effort. And the fact that people choose to ridicule the company for THIS. Well, says more about the individual than anything IMO.

Haven't owned a Samsung device since the flip phone era, but credit where it's due. Hopefully this leads to industry learning and an incredible successor device.

 

[citysnaps]

"In the wake of an FBI investigation, Apple mounted a high-profile campaign on behalf of its users’ privacy. But it turns out our privacy is still being compromised.

Apple keeps a log of everyone you try to contact using iMessage, according to a leaked documented. These logs contain personal contact information, including phone numbers, and are stored in Apple’s servers for 30 days before being deleted. Furthermore, Apple has shared these server logs with police after being compelled by a court order, according to the leaked document obtained by The Intercept."

Well, yeah...

Apple has always said they will cooperate with law enforcement with respect to data it may have in its possession when presented with a valid warrant, signed by a judge, in connection with an ongoing criminal investigation, as required by law.

Why do you find that surprising?

That has nothing to do with Apple's stance on privacy and security related to Apple pushing back on last year's FBI demands (and the NYC District Attorney, who had hundreds of seized iPhones that can't be accessed*) for cooperation breaking into seized iPhones, which lead to Tim Cook testifying before the US Congress on behalf of its customer's privacy.

EDIT:

* It makes you wonder why the NYC District Attorney had hundreds (likely thousands by now) of seized iPhones that can't be broken into, yet does not have an issue getting into Android phones.

 

[truthertech]

"In the wake of an FBI investigation, Apple mounted a high-profile campaign on behalf of its users’ privacy. But it turns out our privacy is still being compromised.

Apple keeps a log of everyone you try to contact using iMessage, according to a leaked documented. These logs contain personal contact information, including phone numbers, and are stored in Apple’s servers for 30 days before being deleted. Furthermore, Apple has shared these server logs with police after being compelled by a court order, according to the leaked document obtained by The Intercept."

Yes, Apple has kept these logs for 30 days to assist in detecting and assisting in fixing problems with iMessage. As a strong believer in privacy, I don't want Apple to even has this meta data retained for any period of time and hopefully, they will find a way to not even need this temporary log for support. As the Intercept article noted, " this doesn’t necessarily undermine the company’s posturing (and record) as a guardian of privacy."

Until Apple comes up with a way to avoid needing this temporary log of meta data for support, if you don't want this even this meta data kept for even 30 days, you can use a burner Apple ID for your iMessage account.

The key to keep in mind, is that RedOrchestra wants to distract from the fact that not only does Google have this meta data, which they keep forever, Google SCANs AND RETAINs THE ACTUAL CONTENTS OF YOUR MESSAGES, along with everything else they store in your dossier FOREVER. In contrast to the Google terms of service that they hope you don't pay attention to where they tell you they are keeping these things, Apple highlights and markets:

"Unlike other companies’ messaging services, Apple doesn’t scan your communications, and we wouldn’t be able to comply with a wiretap order even if we wanted to.”

So, while Apple has not yet developed a perfect system to protect privacy, there is no comparison between them and other companies like Google that couldn't exist if you had privacy.

 

[MrX8503]

iPhones have done the same. They've caught fire on airplanes in flight, something that never happened with the Samsung model in question. (Because it was banned. Should iPhones also be banned then?)

That's quite a disingenuous statement. The Note 7 spontaenously combusted at a much higher rate and was recalled twice. A recalled Note 7 caught fire on a plane (http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/5/1...te-7-fire-replacement-plane-battery-southwest). Those are the reasons for the Note 7 being banned and not the iPhone.

So no, iPhones haven't done the "same".

It is amazing how well Apple PR convinced people that it is somebody else's fault....
Comes to mind the "You are holding it wrong" meme.

Yep NEVER hear Apple taking responsibility for their faults, and you could list at least a dozen cases (from different Apple "cycle") where Apple was of course at fault, but never admitted and blamed either the user or 3rd party.

LIVE ON MY DEAR REALITY DISTORTION FIELD!!

Most of the iPhone fires weren't Apple's fault. I'm sure some iPhone fires were Apple's fault, but not enough to require a recall. Reality distortion field or not, Apple wouldn't be able to escape the CPC forcing Apple to issue a recall if it was an actual widespread defect.

By comparison there were 112 Note 7 fires. With nearly all of them being Samsung's fault. (https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/).

 

[HiRez]

With Samsung investigating itself, you'd have to skeptical of any results they publicly disclose. Not only have they previously been caught covering up exploding Note 7 and washing machine incidents, but they blamed the "bad batteries" on third party manufacturers, when in fact the main manufacturer of the batteries was Samsung SDI, a wholly-owned Samsung subsidiary. They also tested the batteries in-house. Whether the batteries were or were not the true cause, Samsung was saying at the time they were while deflecting blame away from Samsung Corp.

 

[timeconsumer]

Fate has done you a huge favor by giving you time to consider the enormous privacy and security sacrifice you are making by handing every detail of your family's private life to Google. Remember that everyone of the systems you will be using are designed to amass every detail of you and your family's private life into a dossier specifically linked to you and your family. That dossier likely contains:

• every email you've ever sent or received
• every social media post you've ever made
• every blogger, twitterer, etc., you follow or read
• every picture you've ever taken or received
• every search you've ever made
• every web site you've ever visited
• every purchase you've ever made
• every movie you've ever watched
• every book or article you've ever read
• every document you've ever created
• every where you've ever driven
• every meeting you've had, the reason, with whom
• etc.

And all of the above, is available to law enforcement, governments, Google's partners, hackers, foreign and domestic intel agencies, criminal organizations, or to anyone Google sells it to in the future.

What's worse, if that's possible, is that by using your Android, you give Google and its successor corporations a "worldwide license" in perpetuity to every aspect of your life that they are able to amass in their dossier on you. It's frightening how many people have quietly accepted this Orwellian future in return for "free" services and "convenience."

Spare me the "I have nothing to fear. I am not a criminal" responses. You know you are whistling past the graveyard.

Hopefully, law enforcement publicly revealing what has been occurring in the background with the Alexa recordings is a wake up call to Americans and people around the world. Companies with a business model that depends on destroying your privacy and security are a threat to your privacy and security. Google makes over 90% of its revenue from using your private information to help advertisers try to target you. They and Facebook will be out of business the same day their advertising model falls. Meanwhile, Apple has taken the opposite approach and is marketing privacy and security to make money. Your privacy and security is in your hands--You have a choice.

I'd recommend that you take some time reviewing the following articles:

https://privacy.google.com/how-ads-work.html
https://privacy.google.com/your-security.html
https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/

Google builds profiles on you based on information that you give to them as per the above articles I've linked. They then use this information to serve advertisements that you may be interested in. The companies then pay Google for the advertisement that they delivered to you based on the profile Google has built of you. But I don't believe they sell the information to the companies so the companies can contact you directly.

Apple, does similar stuff with their iAds as per: http://www.apple.com/privacy/

In iOS 10 Apple introduced something called "differential privacy" which I'm having a difficulty finding an explanation of this on apple.com, but it was announced in their keynote.

My point is, all companies are collecting data on their users and you're having to trust that company with it. Is Apple better than Google in terms of data collection? Probably, but how can we really know as Apple is such a closed system so you just have to trust their privacy statements. Also, with your bullet points for the most part require you to fully use Google services for that information. If you do not use Google services, then I'm not sure how Google would have that information about you just because you're using an Android device.

 

[emm386]

The Samsung bashing has began. And... That's just sad because facts are Apple have had MacBooks iPhones, adaptors, etc catch on fire, and so have other manufacturers. It's an industry problem based on poor quality standards and poor designs. Governments around the world should be imposing insanely great fines on companies that release devices that turn into smoke. It's not acceptable. Not in 2017.

I agree with you.
And it could seriously happen to ANYONE.

I myself had my magsafe charger literally "weld" the connections on my (vintage) MacBook Pro together because it was slightly angler rather than a straight fit.

The MacBook strangely survived this with some major burn marks on its side. The charger luckily died before it would catch fire.

Pure luck, but this should not happen with thoughtful design.