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I'd recommend that you take some time reviewing the following articles:

https://privacy.google.com/how-ads-work.html
https://privacy.google.com/your-security.html
https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/

Google builds profiles on you based on information that you give to them as per the above articles I've linked. They then use this information to serve advertisements that you may be interested in. The companies then pay Google for the advertisement that they delivered to you based on the profile Google has built of you. But I don't believe they sell the information to the companies so the companies can contact you directly.

Apple, does similar stuff with their iAds as per: http://www.apple.com/privacy/

In iOS 10 Apple introduced something called "differential privacy" which I'm having a difficulty finding an explanation of this on apple.com, but it was announced in their keynote.

My point is, all companies are collecting data on their users and you're having to trust that company with it. Is Apple better than Google in terms of data collection? Probably, but how can we really know as Apple is such a closed system so you just have to trust their privacy statements. Also, with your bullet points for the most part require you to fully use Google services for that information. If you do not use Google services, then I'm not sure how Google would have that information about you just because you're using an Android device.


Oh, you've really got to dig into this. Of course Google doesn't give away the crown jewels and sell Gerber Baby Food your name, address, etc. If they did, Google would soon be out of business because everyone would have your info. What Google does is say to the we can ensure your ad for a Gerber Baby food goes to someone who is pregnant and due within a certain period of time and lives in a certain zip code, and is researching what to feed a baby. And you can further customize the ad to have someone of the same race, etc. And Google knows this because they have scanned your emails and there's one you sent your mother telling her that you're pregnant and when you're expecting, and they have your photos so they know your race, etc., and they have all of your web searches, etc., all compiled into a massive dossier that grows ever larger.

You are right that you can slow Google down by not using its services, but that is very difficult as they have strategically purchased services that they interconnect behind the scenes and the terms of services you sign allow them to connect all your information and gives them a worldwide license to use the information. But good for you if you use an Android device and haven't signed up for a Gmail address, and you don't use Google Maps, Google Photos, Youtube, Google Search, Google Apps like Calendar, Docs, etc. If you don't use Google Assistant, Google Translate, Google Plus, Google Translate, etc. But, unfortunately, even that's not enough because you have to use a content blocker and ad blocker or even if you are using Safari, etc., Google will be installing multiple trackers on your computer to log every site you visit and everything you do on each site, again all without your knowledge or permission. (For example, I just briefly turned off Ghostery on this site and refreshed it to see that Google is installing Google Analytics, Google Tag, Ad Sense and several other trackers. They are truly like the Borg, wanting to absorb everything about everybody into their system.)

And no, Apple is nothing like Google. Their business models are exactly opposite. Apple sells you hardware and software and services as products. Google sells you as the product to advertisers. How do you think they have always given away their products? Because everyone of those products is a honey pot to get your personal information. Why do you think they bought Nest? They knew it was a money loser but it gets Google in your home. They were desperate to get a Google Assistant device in your home so they can condition you to trust telling them everything and get used to having them listening. Why does Google give you so much free cloud storage? Because you give them and their partners a worldwide license to use whatever you upload. That includes your family's photos. Apple has a great photos but they make money by you buying their camera, not selling the information in your photos. That's why Apple does the indexing of your photos on your phone, not in the cloud.

Think if you were the East German Stasi, or the Soviet Secret Police, could you imagine anything better than Google?
 
Yes, Apple has kept these logs for 30 days to assist in detecting and assisting in fixing problems with iMessage.


What a crock of misinformation "... to assist in detecting and assisting in fixing problems with iMessage."

Apple handles somewhere in the order of 40 BILLION iMessages per day AND they need to keep those ping records for a rolling 30 days " ... to detect and assist in fixing problems with iMessage" -- chief Apple hoodwinker Cook dishing out more bull in the china shop data.
 
What a crock of misinformation "... to assist in detecting and assisting in fixing problems with iMessage."

Apple handles somewhere in the order of 40 BILLION iMessages per day AND they need to keep those ping records for a rolling 30 days " ... to detect and assist in fixing problems with iMessage" -- chief Apple hoodwinker Cook dishing out more bull in the china shop data.


I know one troll who woke up on the wrong side of the bridge.
 
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The Note 7's were never banned on flights in Europe. The proviso was 1) totally turned off, not just in Airplane mode; 2) not packed in either checked luggage or in bags in overhead bins - so either on your person or in a bag under the seat ahead of you.

That's nice... but when was the last reported Note 7 immolation?
 
Wait...let me get this straight....Do people still BUY Samsung smartphones? Their flagship model caught fire and EXPLODED...SPONTANEOUSLY! Then, after the explanation and recall, the replacement phones had the same problem!! They could have the coolest phones on the market, but you couldn't pay me enough money to bring one of their products into my house and actually plug it into an outlet. Well, I suppose if I were planning to burn my house down and collect the insurance money...yeah, then maybe I'd consider it. Otherwise, I think I'd have to have my head examined before trusting a Samsung smartphone. My 2-year-old Samsung washer and dryer give me all kinds of problems as it is. I think I'm done with that company going forward.
I know lots of people who have samsung phones and had to return their note 7 and will easily buy the note 8. Personally I don't really like Samsung after audio connectivity issues on my tv - had to work around their ANYNET which doesn't work well with anything other than Samsung gear.
 
Tylenol wasn't at fault and Ford, Firestone, VW et al took a hit to their respective reputations.
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But iphones weren't under a recall for catching fire spontaneously or under an aircraft ban in the US. That is @kdarling discussion though.

Ah.

I just realized that some are talking about broad hits to company reputations, whereas I was addressing the specific bogus notion that fire hazards only occur with certain and/or non-OEM devices.

People are writing about two separate valid trains of thought.
 
That it was deemed to be sabotage went a long way for Tylenol. People still talk about the negligence of Ford Explorer on car forums though. And time does seem "heal the wounds". Although Samsung doesn't have a lot of time on it's hands; imo.

I think it will hurt Samsung for a while, but as long as they move forward and don't have a major issue like this again, people will come back. They are the big player in the Android market and do have a large customer base.
 
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Oh, you've really got to dig into this. Of course Google doesn't give away the crown jewels and sell Gerber Baby Food your name, address, etc. If they did, Google would soon be out of business because everyone would have your info. What Google does is say to the we can ensure your ad for a Gerber Baby food goes to someone who is pregnant and due within a certain period of time and lives in a certain zip code, and is researching what to feed a baby. And you can further customize the ad to have someone of the same race, etc. And Google knows this because they have scanned your emails and there's one you sent your mother telling her that you're pregnant and when you're expecting, and they have your photos so they know your race, etc., and they have all of your web searches, etc., all compiled into a massive dossier that grows ever larger.

You are right that you can slow Google down by not using its services, but that is very difficult as they have strategically purchased services that they interconnect behind the scenes and the terms of services you sign allow them to connect all your information and gives them a worldwide license to use the information. But good for you if you use an Android device and haven't signed up for a Gmail address, and you don't use Google Maps, Google Photos, Youtube, Google Search, Google Apps like Calendar, Docs, etc. If you don't use Google Assistant, Google Translate, Google Plus, Google Translate, etc. But, unfortunately, even that's not enough because you have to use a content blocker and ad blocker or even if you are using Safari, etc., Google will be installing multiple trackers on your computer to log every site you visit and everything you do on each site, again all without your knowledge or permission. (For example, I just briefly turned off Ghostery on this site and refreshed it to see that Google is installing Google Analytics, Google Tag, Ad Sense and several other trackers. They are truly like the Borg, wanting to absorb everything about everybody into their system.)

And no, Apple is nothing like Google. Their business models are exactly opposite. Apple sells you hardware and software and services as products. Google sells you as the product to advertisers. How do you think they have always given away their products? Because everyone of those products is a honey pot to get your personal information. Why do you think they bought Nest? They knew it was a money loser but it gets Google in your home. They were desperate to get a Google Assistant device in your home so they can condition you to trust telling them everything and get used to having them listening. Why does Google give you so much free cloud storage? Because you give them and their partners a worldwide license to use whatever you upload. That includes your family's photos. Apple has a great photos but they make money by you buying their camera, not selling the information in your photos. That's why Apple does the indexing of your photos on your phone, not in the cloud.

Think if you were the East German Stasi, or the Soviet Secret Police, could you imagine anything better than Google?

You're not paranoid. Everyone is out to get you.
 
You're not paranoid. Everyone is out to get you.

That's so mean!

I don't know if I'm worried about losing my privacy. I don't feel like I've ever had much to begin with honestly. I'm issued a social security number, I'm seen on cameras, my online profile, the jobs I've worked, where I live, it's all out there somewhere in a database.
 
Oh, you've really got to dig into this. Of course Google doesn't give away the crown jewels and sell Gerber Baby Food your name, address, etc. If they did, Google would soon be out of business because everyone would have your info.

Yep, which is why Google's model is the same as Apple uses in their own iAds program: they sell anonymous ad slots based on the personal data (and in the case of Apple, our iTunes purchase history) that Google and Apple have collected on us.

Oh wait. Why did YOU leave out iAds?

And no, Apple is nothing like Google. Their business models are exactly opposite.

Which is why it's even worse that Apple supplements their revenue by selling others access to its users.

At least Google's model is clear.

Apple sells you hardware and software and services as products. Google sells you as the product to advertisers.

On the contrary, Apple is quite happy to sell us as a product.

Besides the aforementioned iAds, Apple gets over a billion dollars a year in fees and kickbacks from Google in return for Google being the default search setting.

In other words, Apple has been selling access to its users' search info as a product to the highest bidder.
 
Yep, which is why Google's model is the same as Apple uses in their own iAds program: they sell anonymous ad slots based on the personal data (and in the case of Apple, our iTunes purchase history) that Google and Apple have collected on us.

Oh wait. Why did YOU leave out iAds?



Which is why it's even worse that Apple supplements their revenue by selling others access to its users.

At least Google's model is clear.



On the contrary, Apple is quite happy to sell us as a product.

Besides the aforementioned iAds, Apple gets over a billion dollars a year in fees and kickbacks from Google in return for Google being the default search setting.

In other words, Apple has been selling access to its users' search info as a product to the highest bidder.



Too many falsehoods, but to say making things up again doesn't make them true. Do you do contract work for the Russians by any chance?
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You're not paranoid. Everyone is out to get you.


You don't have to be paranoid, just informed. We realize you are whistling by the graveyard, as do you, but you can face your fear more effectively if you start taking simple steps like getting off of Google's services instead of just living in denial.
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That's so mean!

I don't know if I'm worried about losing my privacy. I don't feel like I've ever had much to begin with honestly. I'm issued a social security number, I'm seen on cameras, my online profile, the jobs I've worked, where I live, it's all out there somewhere in a database.


Your post is music to Google's ears or a despotic governments or hackers, etc. Like boiling a frog, they can keep you from jumping out by slowly turning up the heat. Of course, Google and others have moved far beyond what you list.

First off, your information isn't just in disparate databases, Google is amassing it all in a central database on you. Secondly, folks at Google, law enforcement and intel agencies and criminals for that matter, are chuckling at the "relatively" innocuous sounding items you list. You aren't just "seen on camera." Google Photos is applying facial recognition to the photos you upload to their servers so you and everyone in your family so you can be identified wherever you go to serve you ads. Law enforcement and the government already have your social security number, their interested in getting the emails you've sent and received that Google has scanned and stored, or the things you've said in front of that Google Assistant you've conveniently installed in your phone.

When you don't care that a private company is collecting and collating every intimate detail of your life that they can get hold of and you've given them and "their partners" a worldwide license to use it and just shrug it off that they control it and its available to others via legal and illegal means, we've moved a lot closer to a panopticon society.
 
Too many falsehoods, but to say making things up again doesn't make them true. Do you do contract work for the Russians by any chance?
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You don't have to be paranoid, just informed. We realize you are whistling by the graveyard, as do you, but you can face your fear more effectively if you start taking simple steps like getting off of Google's services instead of just living in denial.
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Your post is music to Google's ears or a despotic governments or hackers, etc. Like boiling a frog, they can keep you from jumping out by slowly turning up the heat. Of course, Google and others have moved far beyond what you list.

First off, your information isn't just in disparate databases, Google is amassing it all in a central database on you. Secondly, folks at Google, law enforcement and intel agencies and criminals for that matter, are chuckling at the "relatively" innocuous sounding items you list. You aren't just "seen on camera." Google Photos is applying facial recognition to the photos you upload to their servers so you and everyone in your family so you can be identified wherever you go to serve you ads. Law enforcement and the government already have your social security number, their interested in getting the emails you've sent and received that Google has scanned and stored, or the things you've said in front of that Google Assistant you've conveniently installed in your phone.

When you don't care that a private company is collecting and collating every intimate detail of your life that they can get hold of and you've given them and "their partners" a worldwide license to use it and just shrug it off that they control it and its available to others via legal and illegal means, we've moved a lot closer to a panopticon society.

They have pills for this.
 
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Investigation will reveal that 2016 was the year of fake news and media hysteria. Aside from that the Note 7 was the most selected from the YouTube greats as the best tech of 2016.

 
Investigation will reveal that 2016 was the year of fake news and media hysteria. Aside from that the Note 7 was the most selected from the YouTube greats as the best tech of 2016.

How can that be? Tech needs to last, be reliable and be supported to be great. Note 7 was none of that.
 
"Rumors suggest Samsung pushed suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch, in order to beat the iPhone 7, leading to critical oversights that led to some batteries catching fire."

I don't believe that launching before the iPhone 7 was a factor at all, they are vastly different devices.

Every Note model ever released, starting with the first one in 2011, has been unveiled either in August or September. The Note 7 simply followed that pattern.

Flagship models without stylus (S7 / S7 Edge) in February/March, flagship model with stylus (Note 7) roughly 6 months later. It is an establihed pattern that has been going on for years and has very little to do with when Apple launches new models.
 
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Oh, you've really got to dig into this. Of course Google doesn't give away the crown jewels and sell Gerber Baby Food your name, address, etc. If they did, Google would soon be out of business because everyone would have your info. What Google does is say to the we can ensure your ad for a Gerber Baby food goes to someone who is pregnant and due within a certain period of time and lives in a certain zip code, and is researching what to feed a baby. And you can further customize the ad to have someone of the same race, etc. And Google knows this because they have scanned your emails and there's one you sent your mother telling her that you're pregnant and when you're expecting, and they have your photos so they know your race, etc., and they have all of your web searches, etc., all compiled into a massive dossier that grows ever larger.

You are right that you can slow Google down by not using its services, but that is very difficult as they have strategically purchased services that they interconnect behind the scenes and the terms of services you sign allow them to connect all your information and gives them a worldwide license to use the information. But good for you if you use an Android device and haven't signed up for a Gmail address, and you don't use Google Maps, Google Photos, Youtube, Google Search, Google Apps like Calendar, Docs, etc. If you don't use Google Assistant, Google Translate, Google Plus, Google Translate, etc. But, unfortunately, even that's not enough because you have to use a content blocker and ad blocker or even if you are using Safari, etc., Google will be installing multiple trackers on your computer to log every site you visit and everything you do on each site, again all without your knowledge or permission. (For example, I just briefly turned off Ghostery on this site and refreshed it to see that Google is installing Google Analytics, Google Tag, Ad Sense and several other trackers. They are truly like the Borg, wanting to absorb everything about everybody into their system.)

And no, Apple is nothing like Google. Their business models are exactly opposite. Apple sells you hardware and software and services as products. Google sells you as the product to advertisers. How do you think they have always given away their products? Because everyone of those products is a honey pot to get your personal information. Why do you think they bought Nest? They knew it was a money loser but it gets Google in your home. They were desperate to get a Google Assistant device in your home so they can condition you to trust telling them everything and get used to having them listening. Why does Google give you so much free cloud storage? Because you give them and their partners a worldwide license to use whatever you upload. That includes your family's photos. Apple has a great photos but they make money by you buying their camera, not selling the information in your photos. That's why Apple does the indexing of your photos on your phone, not in the cloud.

Think if you were the East German Stasi, or the Soviet Secret Police, could you imagine anything better than Google?
Yes, you really have to do dig into it as there's a lot of information and a lot of different settings. As far as your Gerber Baby scenario, from my understanding this is exactly how it works. Assuming you're using Gmail for mail and you're logged into your Google account while performing those searches.

On Android you don't have to be signed into each Google App in order to use it, I'm not going to state that they aren't somehow connecting my device ID to my account information, but when I check my account history I don't see things showing up there. So while they could be doing that it isn't apparent to me and I also use an ad-blocker so I don't see ads when I'm browsing. Thanks for pointing out the information about the Google analytics, I don't have any sort of app or browser add-on that shows information such as that. It seems that it's inevitable that sites want to track their users and they utilize Google's free option to do so. But this doesn't matter what device you're using, it seems like utilizing a VPN + ad-blocker is probably the recommended way to browse the internet these days. But at that point, you're then trusting the VPN service you're subscribing to that they aren't logging your data.

I understand your point about Google using the user as a product to the advertisers and that's how they can provide their apps for free to end-users. But, Apple does provide a lot of free apps as well. For example if you go here: http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/ then "Free Apps from Apple" it lists: iMovie, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, and GarageBand (as well as other apps). If I'm not mistaken didn't these apps used to cost at some point? How is Apple now able to provide these for free? Also, once again, you nor I truly know what exactly it is that they are doing with the data from their users. Apple is such a closed system and proprietary so you're basing it off of what Tim Cook says in interviews and what is written on Apple's privacy section of their website. It is just more widely accepted that Apple is more trustworthy than Google.

I think it's about picking your level of comfort. Using Google who is much more open about what they collect and how they use it, or trusting Apple which isn't very open. I don't like the fact that these companies have access to all of this information from me, but I can't exactly go out and develop products of my own and a cloud infrastructure that works as well as either Google's or Apple's so I'm stuck with using one of them, or both.
 
"some", that's putting it mildly... based on their was a recall.

Some would use this as a means to go over to Apple, but like those long standing users in the Apple ecosystem, a fire wouldn't get any long standing Samsung user to leave. Doesn't matter how devastating.. As long as u learn a lesson by it.
 
I think it will hurt Samsung for a while, but as long as they move forward and don't have a major issue like this again, people will come back. They are the big player in the Android market and do have a large customer base.
Agreed. Except I don't think this will hurt Samsung much even in the short run aside from the cost of the recall. This isn't the Ford exploding tire debacle, or Tekata airbags where things were hidden from the public for way too long. There was a design flaw in a piece of super-cool tech. It was addressed reasonably quickly. Samsung has at least given the appearance of being reasonably forthright in addressing it. It didn't go as smoothly as some hoped, but it's 4.3 million devices in the hands of consumers who rely on them daily and 4.2999 million of whom haven't had a problem.

The real pain would come if people changed operating systems in response to this, and I don't see much indication that many people did.

If evidence comes out that there was long and willful withholding of critical information that led to loss of life, then it could get worse, but at this point, I think it's going to go out with a whimper. It'll be talked about briefly when the Note 8 launches (if they're stupid enough to keep the brand name).

When the Note 8 ships without incident it will be forgotten everywhere but here, where it will be mentioned at least once by page 6 of every single thread in retaliation to "you're holding it wrong" comments.
 
Ok. Seeing as Apple has over 15 repair or replacement programs in place at this moment for faulty products... yes. They must never take the blame.
Yes they never take blame, they might replace pieces here and there to save their asses from being sued, but still blame it on the user.

Again, they did give you a fix for the iPhone reception issue, they gave you a cover for free, but they still blamed it on you....you are holding it wrong.

See they prevented you from suing them because you "accepted the fix" but they did not take the blame on themselves!

Also... just relax there's no need to get emotional, it is just a company!

People think that this forum is divided in 2 categories:
1 You post that says something positive about Apple...you are a fanboy.
2 YYou post that says something positive about any other company...you are a troll.

I fall into a 3rd category that many tendo not to consider.... I just like tech no matter who makes stand comment either pro or against any company if I feel so.

Accusing someone of trolling or fanboyism just shows the lack of argument, an easy way out for something one doesn't have an answer for.
 
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I think it will hurt Samsung for a while, but as long as they move forward and don't have a major issue like this again, people will come back. They are the big player in the Android market and do have a large customer base.

Completely agree. The recall debacle isn't going to stop Samsung and its customer base to purchase future products from them. It's been a poor performance with the recall and Washer situation, but when they release the new Note/S8 options, it will likely have strong sales. Most who had the Note 7, were extremely pleased. The Longing for another competitive device from Samsung will have consumers jumping all over it and it will be heavily praised.

Android just doesn't have a following because of hardware preferences, they have such a strong influence with those who appreciate Android in general.
 
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I don't believe that launching before the iPhone 7 was a factor at all, they are vastly different devices.

Every Note model ever released, starting with the first one in 2011, has been unveiled either in August or September. The Note 7 simply followed that pattern.

Flagship models without stylus (S7 / S7 Edge) in February/March, flagship model with stylus (Note 7) roughly 6 months later. It is an establihed pattern that has been going on for years and has very little to do with when Apple launches new models.

Yep, you and anyone who can use google or remember launches know that, but it doesn't fit the "desperate Samsung" narrative so you'll be wrong. ;)
 
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