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Originally Posted by guzhogi
I wonder how much Apple pays for all the legal fees with this Samsung thing compared to how much it would cost to just buy Samsung & all its patents.


Not sure Apple can afford to buy them. Samsung have a market valuation of $114 billion!

100 billion in the bank last quarter, probably 120+ billion will be reported this quarter. Enough to buy Samsung out in CA$H alone.
 
One may consider a career change ...

There will be some very rich lawyers out there after this ... no matter which way it goes, the lawyers win.
Wonder whether there ever will be an end to companies filing frivolous suits against each other, encouraged by unscrupulous lawyers, and to the detriment of the consumers ?
I guess lawyers are just as worried about their rating as a profession in society as bankers : not at all.

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Making good on its previous plans to target Apple's new iPhone in an attempt to ban sales of the device over intellectual property infringement, Samsung has announced that it will indeed file requests for preliminary injunctions today in France and Italy.Samsung notes that it plans to file additional requests in other countries as it reviews the situation. Samsung's efforts are part of an escalating patent dispute between the two companies that has seen Apple win delays in the launch of Samsung's Galaxy Tab device in Australia and Germany.

Today's announcement from Samsung does not cite the specific patents it will accuse the iPhone 4S of infringing upon, but it is likely that they will be patents already being used by Samsung in a Dutch lawsuit against Apple seeking the ban of the iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPad 2, and original iPad.

Apple has argued that those patents are essential enough to the basic operation of 3G wireless technologies that they should be subject to FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms requiring Samsung to license them under reasonable terms. Apple's position is that Samsung has not been offering reasonable terms for the patents, and the two parties have been unable to reach an agreement on their licensing.

Article Link: Samsung to Seek Ban on iPhone 4S Sales in France and Italy
 
Why? Every company has to defended their IP, don't they?

No. Samsung has also admitted in previous interviews that they believe Apple is already paying to license these patents through their chipset maker. They are just wasting time. Trying to grab a few headlines and remind people they are in the cell phone business.

They realize they are in the process of losing 7 billion dollars of very profitable business. Every move they make to try and change things only makes it worse.
 
Which is why Apple's pull-down notification centre in iOS 5 is almost identical to the pull-down notifications that Android has had for a long time?

When i grabbed my phone yesterday I wondered why it has to be top down/pull down.

Why couldn't it have been swipe UP from the home button? My thumb is there when i grab it, why do i have to go up to the top?

Anyway..... As for the lawsuits, protect your IP if you have it, but if Samsung is playing games with FRAND stuff, then I hope they get screwed by the courts.
 
This is so obious! Samsung is piss because they don't have any new design from apple to copy.
I saw what Jobs did here!:cool:
 
I wish Apple would stop this war (they started and they were right) and focus on how to screw every competitor by keep making great products.
 
"Apple has argued that those patents are essential enough to the basic operation of 3G wireless technologies that they should be subject to FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms requiring Samsung to license them under reasonable terms. Apple's position is that Samsung has not been offering reasonable terms for the patents, and the two parties have been unable to reach an agreement on their licensing."

So, what Apple is saying that the only "reasonable" terms are those deemed reasonable by Apple and not the IP holder. By the same logic we should be allowed to pay "reasonable" prices for Apple products, the prices that we set ourselves.
 
To be honest, I can understand Samsung’s objection: a lot of Apple products look an awful lot like Samsung products, right down to the details ;)
 
Samsung is simply trying to get revenge. But their stuff DOES look like Apple's. From USB cables, to chargers, to the method of boxing the device. To the outer looks of the packaging, to the UI, to the device design... All very similar, and Apple designed this stuff first... Samsung copied. Plain and simple.


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Funny you should say that. Since Apple is going on one sue-happy adventure, you can replace Samsung with Apple in your sentence and it will still hold true.

Oh well, what goes around comes around.

Well your both wrong. No one will hate Samsung because the suit is folly and has 0 chance of success. No one will hate Apple because no one really cares about any Samsung products.
 
I wonder how much Apple pays for all the legal fees with this Samsung thing compared to how much it would cost to just buy Samsung & all its patents.

About one ten thousandth.
Or 0.01 percent.

this is getting absolutely ********* insane. I understand the need to protect ones company IP and designs, but for christ sake, Apple should just buy samsung and stop all this madness.

That would be a pretty idiotic thing to even attempt. And you seem to have not a clue how big Samsung is.

"Apple has argued that those patents are essential enough to the basic operation of 3G wireless technologies that they should be subject to FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms requiring Samsung to license them under reasonable terms. Apple's position is that Samsung has not been offering reasonable terms for the patents, and the two parties have been unable to reach an agreement on their licensing."

So, what Apple is saying that the only "reasonable" terms are those deemed reasonable by Apple and not the IP holder. By the same logic we should be allowed to pay "reasonable" prices for Apple products, the prices that we set ourselves.

Reasonable compared to what other companies are paying for licenses for the same patents. Or for licenses for other essential patents. Like the LTE patents that Apple owns and that Samsung is using.
 
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Samsung's always "seeking", but where are the injunctions??

By the way, October 13th is almost here, re the Dutch injunction.
 
If you can't beat them, sue them.

Seriously, I'm wondering how much this will cost Samsung as Apple sources more and more of their components from other suppliers.
 
No. Samsung has also admitted in previous interviews that they believe Apple is already paying to license these patents through their chipset maker.

Source? I remember people saying exactly the same when Nokia sued Apple for their FRAND patents.
 
"Apple has argued that those patents are essential enough to the basic operation of 3G wireless technologies that they should be subject to FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms requiring Samsung to license them under reasonable terms. Apple's position is that Samsung has not been offering reasonable terms for the patents, and the two parties have been unable to reach an agreement on their licensing."

So, what Apple is saying that the only "reasonable" terms are those deemed reasonable by Apple and not the IP holder. By the same logic we should be allowed to pay "reasonable" prices for Apple products, the prices that we set ourselves.

Nope, FRAND is to prevent companies essentially extorting fees out of customers for essential technologies part of a standard. Basically they can ask no more from Apple than they ask from other licensees.

e.g Samsung can't go to Apple and say, "ok, 3 bucks per iPhone plus we want a cross licensing deal and access to x y and z patents, bitch"
 
"Apple has argued that those patents are essential enough to the basic operation of 3G wireless technologies that they should be subject to FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory) terms requiring Samsung to license them under reasonable terms. Apple's position is that Samsung has not been offering reasonable terms for the patents, and the two parties have been unable to reach an agreement on their licensing."

So, what Apple is saying that the only "reasonable" terms are those deemed reasonable by Apple and not the IP holder. By the same logic we should be allowed to pay "reasonable" prices for Apple products, the prices that we set ourselves.


Reasonable is coupled with fair and non-discriminatory. It means not decidedly different than what other people are paying for the same technology. Samsung chose to have their technology be part of the standard.
 
No. Samsung has also admitted in previous interviews that they believe Apple is already paying to license these patents through their chipset maker. They are just wasting time. Trying to grab a few headlines and remind people they are in the cell phone business.

Wait, are you saying Samsung is struggling in the cell business ? Being the #1 Android OEM and the #2 in total market share for handsets sold is struggling ? :rolleyes:

They sold 5 million SGS II phones (a single model!) in 85 days.

No really, they aren't struggling.
 
This is so obious! Samsung is piss because they don't have any new design from apple to copy.
I saw what Jobs did here!:cool:

that's right, they basically tells Apple to hurry up and release the redesigned iPhone5 already:D
 
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