Apple trails Samsung by years not months. Remember OLED, large screen, NFC, wireless charging, telescopic lens etc? All those features were added to iPhone a few years after Samsung had them in their phones.
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Samsung to Unveil New Flagship Smartphones at February 9 'Unpacked' Event
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Probably only the regular S22, just like the S21. The + and Ultra will be glass, as they have always been.
There are rumors that all will be glass this time, along with the price increase compared to the S21 lineup. Samsung should've called the S21FE as S22 lite. That way the lineup for 2022 will be more streamlined.
Isn't it time people stop with this nonsense about Samsung not being good?
Samsung is basically the testbed of future components that Apple would use.
Eg. LTPO OLED, Samsung will showcase it and improve it first, and Apple would use it once Samsung can produce a lot of it on volume.
Apple doesn't "trail" Samsung. Whenever Apple decided on a component, that component makers must be able to produce the volume that Apple requires. Apple ships more iPhones than Samsung's Galaxy S phones. Whenever there's a new tech, it's easy for the Android OEMs to put it on their phones because they don't make as many phones as Apple. Apple cannot do that, as they require a lot more volume of that component.
By this, it gives Apple an advantage to get a version of that tech that's already been revised/improved, and probably cheaper also due to mass production. Take LTPO panels. Samsung improves it until they can do variable refresh rate, and showcased it on the S21 Ultra, and then Apple buys it. It's business anyway, both Apple and Samsung laugh, taking your money to their banks.
Same with telescopic lens. All you see today is the tech, which is still improving, in select few low volume Android phones. Until they can produce it in the volume that Apple requires for iPhones, we won't see telescopic lens on iPhones.
That’s just it, they are good… but what does “Good” really translate to for Samsung against the iPhone?
However, it’s evident that even after all these years with Samsung having some of the ‘latest technology advancements’ over Apple, what has that proven? The iPhone is still highly dominant for many reasons, and if it wasn’t the case, then why do Samsungs latest devices lose significant value after their initial release within a year? Whereas; the iPhone holds value relatively well. My suspicion is, it’s because of the overall experience with the iPhone, and the latest features crammed into Samsung Galaxy line, isn’t enough to compete with the likes of Apples integration [Ecosystem] with other devices, security and overall performance.
I’m not disparaging against the Galaxy line, as I think it’s a great phone. But when you factor in the entire experience overall, it’s not even a comparison against the iPhone. It’s like they’re light years apart.
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Why do they (Samsung) always market there new phone competing with LAST year's iPhone!
Message to Samsung,..Your 2022 model phone should be compared to Apples 2022 model when it is released in about 6 months, not last year's iPhone! ?♂️
Message to Samsung,..Your 2022 model phone should be compared to Apples 2022 model when it is released in about 6 months, not last year's iPhone! ?♂️
The rech I mentioned is used in many Samsung phone series not just S line. And Samsung sells more phones than Apple. But Samsung makes a lot of their components themselves. Apple has to wait until Samsung can make enough for themselves and Apple.
Because the iPhone 13 lineup is the latest iPhones that Apple have? I mean how can Samsung compares theirs with a non-existant iPhone 14?
Should Apple be comparing their next iPhone 14 with the non-existant Galaxy S23?
What do you mean by ‘Rech’? Are you inferring tech? Or am I missing something here.
It's because Samsung releases their phones early in the year. They compare their phones with 5 months old iPhones. Apple compares their new phones with 7 months old Samsung phones. Apple is playing dirty.
The latest version of the variable LTPO OLED panel is only used in the S21 Ultra (capable to as low as 10Hz). The S21+ and S21 don't use the same panel (less range for variable refresh rate). Even the S21FE uses non-variable refresh rate version, only fixed rates.
Periscope lens? Where? Again, only on the S21 Ultra.
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If you want iOS, you have one choice, Apple. If you want Android, you have a dozen choices. So of course Apple sells more phones - in the US. But not worldwide, where Android is still king. But even in the rest the world - still the same case, Samsung is one choice of many while iOS has one choice, Apple. I suspect re-sale value has more to do with marketing and pricing and how Apple is perceived to be "premium", like buying a BMW or Mercedes.
Personally, I prefer Apple due to he ecosystem and being a Mac user. But I've had Samsung in the past, and they make a great phone too.
I don't think it's "dirty", it's just the reality of the 6 month release difference.
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I was never referring to popularity due to sales, I was strictly talking about the user experience the iPhone creates and seemingly is more dominant, because of the integration into the ecosystem and overall support. Those are the main ingredients of what Samsung doesn’t seemingly provide, it’s not just about a ‘smart phone’ that has the latest tech, it’s the whole experience. I don’t care about sales, And neither do consumers. This is where the iPhone becomes so unique, because it acts as a central hub to connecting us to other devices, the security and overall the longevity with iOS.
For the record, again, I really like the Galaxy line, and they’re great phones, but that’s not enough just throwing the latest technology, even if Apple is behind, you can still see how dominant the iPhone is. I think that speaks volumes.
Both companies have different visions of their brands. Apple is after the luxury market, while Samsung wants to be the common electronics brand for everyone. By extension, each companies' focuses will be different. Apple is only focused in making ultra flagship every year, while Samsung has to make dozens of models, from $80 phones to $1000+ bleeding edge foldables.
And then, you're right, there's the experience. Android, in general, are commodity. You can replace an Android phone from one OEM to another without really breaking your workflow. Meanwhile, if you are in the Apple experience, you cannot just replace an iPhone with a Samsung without breaking your workflow. Thus more people inside Apple will likely remain with Apple, while people on Android can switch brands without much negative impact.
I think the discussion (and the potential controversy) will be in the Snapdragon 8 gen 1 vs Exynos 2200.
I'm seeing conflicting rumors.
SD8G1 rumors show great performance, especially in GPU, but overheating concerns remain.
While Exynos 2200 early rumors seem to show disappointing performance.
I think we are reaching a ceiling in thermal envelope of the current slab form factor. We are at the point where many Android OEMs are trying different ways to keep temperature down (eg vapor cooling chambers, etc). Even Apple is not immune to this, and we have accessories companies making coolers for iPhones now. It's crazy. Maybe there should be more work done to improve the efficiency cores instead of bumping the performance cores to the ceiling.
I'm seeing conflicting rumors.
SD8G1 rumors show great performance, especially in GPU, but overheating concerns remain.
While Exynos 2200 early rumors seem to show disappointing performance.
I think we are reaching a ceiling in thermal envelope of the current slab form factor. We are at the point where many Android OEMs are trying different ways to keep temperature down (eg vapor cooling chambers, etc). Even Apple is not immune to this, and we have accessories companies making coolers for iPhones now. It's crazy. Maybe there should be more work done to improve the efficiency cores instead of bumping the performance cores to the ceiling.
How will then, iFans, satisfy their egocentrism and validate their technologically stunted purchases ?
True. This is why mid-range phones are the best sellers. People no longer need the flagships to have a good-enough smartphone experience. Regular consumers nowadays buy flagships for specific set of features that are not offered in cheaper phones (eg. the s-pen).
It's also why Apple keeps the telephoto lens on the Pro iPhone.
Yes you got it right.
I said OLED not LPTO OLED. Samsung phones had it many years before iPhone. Samsung got LTPO two years before iPhone (one year for variable version). Which models have it is irrelevant. If you want specific tech, buy the model that has it.
Obviously you wait until both manufacturers release their respective 2022 models and yes you compare the iPhone 14 to the S22.
So on your response, you would compare LG'S 2022 LED to last year's 2021 Samsung, if they release earlier? Rediculous and stupid.
I use a Samsung for work as it’s my work phone they give me and honestly I hate it, I love using the 13 pro max I don’t know how anyone uses android for there daily phone