Samsung Trolls Apple Over Lack of Innovation in Latest iPhone Lineup

[Abazigal]

Exactly.

In general, I don't get this blind brand loyalty that I'm seeing here on mr and this ridiculous notion that Apple would be above lashing out at the competition if it were the underdog.

All is fair in love and marketing and I think Samsung are smart to focus on Apple's shortcomings.

-Apple has the best SoCs and is market leader in many product categories, yes.

But Apple has stopped taking risks and has become too comfortable in its success. It doesn't have to impress consumers anymore so it just does the most incremental and easy things, year after year.

Samsung are correct in pointing this out even if it doesn't know how to deliver something that would appeal to iPhone buyers.

So far, the only “shortcomings” I see highlighted by the ads is that Apple hasn’t elected to release a product with a very questionable form factor and even more questionable utility, and they have made a conscious decision not to engage in a meaningless megapixel measuring contest with Samsung.

Remind me how this is supposedly the end of the world for Apple again? Only diehard Samsung fans would buy into this, and I think the age-old meme of Apple users simply not caring a hoot about what the rest of the smartphone world thinks couldn’t be more true.

My answer is now, as it always was, and as it always will be, is an apathetic “Yeah, so?”

All while getting ready to upgrade to iOS 16 in 1.5 day’s time.

When’s the next android release coming to galaxy users again?

 

[Abazigal]

And come to think of it - Apple is probably the only company able to push through unpopular changes such as doing away with the headphone jack, or even the physical sim, knowing their user base will continue using their products regardless. Other android OEMs seem content to let Apple absorb all the flak first, then do the same thing after the furore has died down.

I would like to see Samsung take the lead in doing something unpopular for once. Maybe their next flagship could come without a charging cable altogether?

 

[Piggie]

Clearly they've never been to Dynamic Island.

You may well be right, and as much as it may sound odd, I hope they and also Android phones do.

Happy to admit it's a brilliant idea, I love it, and if humans have a great idea, then of course ideally the maximum number of people get to enjoy it.

 

[VulchR]

I haven't read the 20 pages of 450+ posts, but I hope somebody has pointed out that picture quality can actually be undermined by a high pixel count. The limit on mobile phone photography is not megapixels on sensors, but how hardware and software manages to extract anything near a reasonable facsimile of what you're looking at given the mobile phone's tiny and flawed optics.

 

[Lucasof]

this is just pathetic, I dont get it when these big companies stop trying to compete and try to offer what they can do... anyway Apple is doing great, and won't be even bother to read but to answer to this §"§$.

 

[MauiPa]

To hear Samsung, no one makes a better camera. But lots of itty bitty sh$$&y pixels do not a great camera make. According to dxomark, they don’t even beat last years iphones

Albeit, that is pretty close. But Samsung wants us to believe they are blow away better. Sorry Samsung, no one buys your BS.

BTW, Samsung, are your socs still slower than iPhone 11s. Oh wait, they are. Good job with innovation.

Maybe Samsung can’t ramp it up on technology so they go for the gold with stupid commercials. Oh wait, that award goes to Microsoft for the “buy these so so tablets because - click”

 

[sonicrobby]

Continuing to be the most profitable company in the world and still posting record quarters. Definitely headed the wrong way.

Not always about the money. Cult following is real, Im part of it. $50 screen cloth? Im sure they've sold plenty of those Innovation and aesthetic are what matter to me. Dynamic island is the biggest highlight with innovation, and while nifty it doesnt seem like a big impact (will verify when I get my 14 Pro in). But also the aesthetics, camera bumps getting bigger is just so... uninnovative... Periscope cameras have been around for a while now. And while I appreciate apple taking their time to do it right, it has been a bit extreme now. Apple will continue to do financially well, regardless of what they release. To associate the progress in their innovation upgrades to their profits is not accurate. But its a smart business strategy, change little in the hardware, incremental basics, and get a fckton of money? Like why the hell not, right? Just from a user experience, I expected more. iPhone 12 was super exciting, 13 and 14 were meh. Understanding they wont invest in major redesigns every year. But some things are way overdue. iPhone 12 Pro models should have had the periscope camera system. So to hope that the 15 will then have that, and a long awaited USB C interface will likely be a much more exciting release. But we wait and see.

 

[sjsharksfan12]

This whole thing is dumb, and I have a samsung phone. I liked the Dynamic Island thing when they announced it, but then I found out that Samsung has something similar and I became less impressed. I'm not really sure what companies can do to innovate phones. I think I'm still waiting for a better speaker or something. Don't really use the camera that much. I guess I'm just glad I'm not beholden to a specific brand, and wish both companies can put out great products.

 

[Velli]

I think you responded to the wrong person. That said, I find your comment very odd because I know for a fact that you buy iPhones because of the things it can do, more so than just how it feels to use it. If it couldn't take good photos, if it still lacked copy & paste, if it lacked 3rd party apps, etc., iPhone might feel great with stock apps like with iPhone 1.0, but you wouldn't be buying it over Android phones. No sane person would.

Of course not, but that’s a made up argument. You are misinterpreting. I pay double for Apple products, not because they do things Android can’t. Your examples are silly, because you are making them up. I’m not saying that iPhone doesn’t need to do anything. What I am saying is, I don’t buy iPhone because it does more things. I do it because it does fewer things, but better. The experience of using it is, to me, far superior. As long as it is not lacking anything that is essential to me, I don’t care that there are phones outthere that do more things.

I don’t even care that iPhone 14 has 48 megapixels. What I am buying is a good camera. Not X number of megapixels. Typically (but of course not always, don’t be silly), Android people buy numbers, while Apple people buy experience. Your camera can have one billion trillion pixels, I don’t care. I’ll buy it once the total experience of using the product is better than what I currently have (and I’m not buying the 14 either, as I am a Mini lover).

 

[atomic.flip]

I suspect the 108 mp claims are largely bogus.
I've been a photographer using 35mm film and aps-c and FX-format DSLRs for more than 20 years.
108 mp isn't on digital SLRs yet, even in FX format. It's on medium format cameras though.

The noise levels on pretty much every smartphone are very high once you get above ISO 50 or so.

DSLRs excel at high ISOs like 1600, 3200, 6400, 12,800 and higher. Phones, not so much.

Noise levels tend to be related to megapixels. Coz the more pixels you divide your sensor into, the fewer photons strike each photosite. Which means less signal. Which means more noise. Ain't nothin' for free.

108mp on a ridiculously tiny phone sensor is basically b.s.

Perfect explanation and absolutely true!

 

[Misuteri]

Why do Samsung always feel the need to attack Apple? It's a bad look IMO. When was the last time Apple attacked any of their competitors?

The entire I’m a Mac and I’m a PC campaign.

 

[reeneebob]

I’m pretty sure Apple explicitly trashed Intel when Apple was on PowerPC... only to switch everything to Intel later on. Apple has many times targeted their competition in their ads or presentation… and so what? If these companies want to call each other out, let them.

The problem I have with Samsung is when they actually made fun of iPhone USERS. The ad actually mocking people lining up on release day and calling them stupid (when Samsung would kill to have release day lineups like Apple gets - they still don’t and they give away hundreds of dollars of free items with their pre-orders to bribe people lol).

That ad was unforgivable and the end of my buying Samsung products.

 

[reeneebob]

And for the record, before Uber Android guy here comes in with another flame about how little I know…I’ve owned dozens of flagship Android devices over the years. And BlackBerry. And Palm (I still own my Pre and Pixi). My first non-BB/Palm device was Android - the first Samsung Galaxy, in fact. I’ve custom BBOS’d my phones, I’ve dual booted a HP Touchpad with WebOS and Android. I’ve rooted and custom ROMed my Samsung’s for years -mostly to correct things the awful Samsung implementation of Android broke or did worse. I’ve had LG, HTC (the One M7 is my favourite Android device ever and Sense was my favourite skin), Sony, Nexus, Pixel, OnePlus…and I’m a *GIRL*. Gasp - yes girls use Android too!

And after I had the 4S, and still hopped around to other phones, I always ended up back on my iPhone. Always. Because it just worked without me having to find workarounds. Don’t get me wrong, I jailbroke a few of my iPhones, but I didn’t feel like I HAD to like with a lot of my Android phones.

So maybe, just maybe, not all iPhone users are “simpletons” but are actual high quality tech users using the same high quality tech you do and don’t think their smartphone OS makes them an intellectual. Because guess what…using Android doesn’t make you smart.

I can tell you that my next door neighbours are from a family tree without branches (I wish I was kidding ) and everyone in that house uses Android, my dude. So maybe you should rethink that whole intellectual bias you have.

 

[falainber]

People actually thinking 108 megapixels is relevant in a phone... 😂


How much do you like ISO noise?

That's what Apple fans were saying about 48MP camera... until Apple finally managed to get one.

 

[boombashi]

That's what Apple fans were saying about 48MP camera... until Apple finally managed to get one.

I personally can't wait to test it out. I am cautiously optimistic Apple knows what they are doing and is not just introducing more crappy megapixels. They have increased the sensor size and capabilities quite a bit. That is why we get that big ole camera bump!

 

[MVPilot172]

The Tweets are harmless fun however, they are usually made by the company who sees themselves as trying to catch up to the leader in sales. Apple rarely mentions competition because they see themselves ahead of them. Samsung places themselves in 2nd just by acting like the loser.

 

[s.g.w]

For ***** and giggles - no matter which phone you love.

Do your own research into this.

A court case in South Korea in the last 10 years.
A Western owned supplier to Samsung ( whose chemicals make flat tellys possible,smaller chips, better screens possible ) was asked to make a chemical to do same for Samsung (a long time customer) ... make is smaller, better....- ( it takes 7-10 years of research as the technology does not yet exist )......It is the cutting edge of R&D with scientists in USA, Europe, Asia to develop this technology.


After 7-10 years an answer was found ( out of internally 20 competing ideas ).
R&D spend was almost bust the company massive.

After 7 years - Samsung gave a batch of the chemicals to another supplier to reverse engineer (. "You have made enough money out of it - it must now be a commodity - of which there are many companies )

It went to court in South Korea.

The defendent who made the knock off chemical said "Oh yes - Samsung gave us this - and asked us to make lots of it"
They did not dispute it. They straight up told the judge - we copied it in full - But Samsung told us to do it.

South Korea Government owns a large part in Samsung.

Guess which way the trial went - even when the defendant plead guilty.

 

[headwerkn]

The irony is that top-tier Samsung phones these days actually take excellent photos* - especially at the telephoto end - yet little of that has to do with their 108mpx sensor. I don't see every other mSLR maker producing subpar images from there 'mere' 20-50mpx sensors. Even a Sony A7Siii (a very much video orientated mSLR) takes excellent stills with its 12mpx sensor.

(* Video quality is still second-fiddle to iPhone though)

 

[iamthedudeman]

This isn't good, even as a Samsung fan and user I feel they should stand up on their own merits. Even though they aren't wrong, it's still negativity when they should simply hype up their positives.

I think they are wrong. 108 MP doesn’t mean the camera is better as they are proclaiming. Nor is a folding phone a innovation. It’s just plain stupid in my opinion. Especially their version of it. A plastic screen just doesn’t work. Never did . Apple is smart enough to not make a foldable until it can be done right. If they wanted to they could. They just don’t want to.

 

[Cole82]

If you like Android great but Samsung seriously have some issues....all they ever do is talk about Apple.
Don't ever talk about your competition....that is marketing 101. They are like a petulant child.
If you enjoy Android devices, go for it.

Seriously?... Apple made their comeback in 2006 to 2009 with the "Get a Mac" campaign utilizing Justin Long as a cool hip Mac constantly mocking a PC... I'm sorry... you're allowed to have a preference and an opinion, but when you say something that's just... well... wrong... it makes you look a little foolish. That's just Professionalism 101 with a side of History 101... maybe you should have taken those courses first before attempting marketing?
(PS, every course in marketing I've ever taken during my MBA said NOTHING about not talking about your competition. In fact one of them said quite the opposite.)

 

[UnusedLoginID]

I personally can't wait to test it out. I am cautiously optimistic Apple knows what they are doing and is not just introducing more crappy megapixels. They have increased the sensor size and capabilities quite a bit. That is why we get that big ole camera bump!

You already have an answer looking at the 14 aperture specs… much worse than the 13 Pro… you’ll get more noise

 

[gund1234]

it is a pity that phones are still using 100 MP camera sensor, by this time it should be like 300 MP camera, Nokia has used 50 MP like years ago, where is the innovation ? and they are charging $1K for these phones ?

 

[gund1234]

Samsung and apple are frenemies.

Apple stopped buying most of the stuff from Samsung.

 

[gund1234]

Meanwhile, Apple fans looking at the iPhone 14 struggling to understand what has changed since the 13.

i don't think Apple is expecting iPhone 13 customers to upgrade to 14. Apple said that publicly, Apple want their customers to use phones for years.

 

[gund1234]

Well, they are frenemies as Apple sources parts from Samsung.

Like what do you have a list ?
Apple stopped sourcing most of the parts lately, they have been moving away from Samsung for years.
OLED Display is not Samsung anymore.
Processor is not manufactured by Samsung.