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Samsung finally caught up and admits that their flagship phones won’t have a headphone jack. So yes, it did take courage for Apple to lead the way and do something controversial that every other phone manufacturer has followed in Apple’s footsteps to do.

Dropping an old standard was necessary to move new standards forward, in this case the wildly popular AirPods that followed and the wireless earphone industry that flourished as a result. Apple did it when they dropped the floppy drive and they did it again when they were the first to adopt USB and drop serial/parallel ports.

To everyone who flames Apple for saying that it took courage to lead the way, Samsung finally giving in after years of criticizing Apple, shows that they were right and taking those punches and your continued criticism only proves the point that they were right.

We told you so.

It took no courage for Apple to remove the headphone jack, it was just more Apple spin for the gullible masses. It could have been considered courageous if from that point on no Apple device came with a jack because as they said at the time no one needed one......but 3 years on, Apple continue to launch new products with the jack....oh and by the way, they were not right to remove it
 
For a "Pro" device no it's not ideal, though USB-C to USB-A is the easiest non-proprietary dongle to get. The bigger crime is the ~$200 extra you'd have to spend to make sure you could connect to VGA/HDMI projectors.
Right, so Samsung doesn't get off the hook just because it's usb-c. It wouldn't let Apple of the hook either. Dongles are dongles, which are bad. You won't have the dongle when you need it, or will lose it, doesn't allow "listen and charge" and are just unsightly. Wireless charging only solves the problem for a fraction of the owners when they're by a/their charging mat. So what makes any dongle, usb-c or not, acceptable here? Why cut the customers' choice? Especially, after they criticized Apple for it.
 
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Samsung updates their OS roughly once a month and is usually on the latest patch level. Security-wise, they’re top notch. Now for version upgrades, that‘s a different story. It‘ll be roughly March 2020 until the current Note line-up gets the next version of Android. Usually not a big deal as Google is rather slow in terms of adding new break-through features. Especially since the launch of its own Pixel line - many of the new features tend to be reserved for those phones. But even with that - Samsung has been very good with version upgrades as well. They‘ve updated everything back to the S8 to Pie in early spring this year. Considering the fact that Google didn‘t release pie to the OEMs until late October 2018, that really wasn‘t bad. I mean Apple runs several months of public testing before the final version upgrade is ready and only updates once a year as well.

Android‘s (well-deserved) reputation of lacking prompt version updates mostly pertains to the gazillion of ultra-cheap entry-level phones. Those, of course, are the biggest part of the Android market and when you read that „only 11% of all Android phones are running 9.0“, it‘s those phones that drag down the numbers. If you look at how many S8, S9 and S10 phones run the latest version of Android, it‘s close to 100%.

Companies like Samsung, Sony etc. have been updating their mid- and upper tier models at roughly the same pace as Apple for several years now.

Your argument is well conceived and accurate. The FACT remains however that Note 10 won't go past whatever Android "R" is going to be.

For such a future proof spec'd device at this price point (even though we all know there will be deals from DAY 1) THAT SUCKS, plain and simple. If and when Samsung get's better into "ownership" of their "experience" I may consider giving them a try in the future. I'm done upgrading every two years, and am not going to play that game.

Other than that, the PHONE LOOKS AMAZING!!! I really liked the vast majority of what I saw, so much so, it gave me pause. But alas, perhaps glaringly, but expected there was nary mention from Samsung on future update support... Dare I say it was an omitted admission that this quite simply IS NOT the (long) game they're playing. I don't know about others, but the "ownership" that Apple displays/executes when owning one of their products is a FEATURE ON TO ITSELF!?!?!?!

Again, the phone looks amazing, however, I'd have to consider too much to realistically consider switching over to Android via Samsung. Nonetheless, I'm pulling for their success, we all benefit from competition!!!
 
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Why the sarcasm? Dongle income is almost pure profit for Apple. Their best selling accessory is the headphone jack dongle.
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I thought their best selling accessory was the watch. Almost no one buys that dongle
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The chip makes no difference at all in real world performance. The Note 9 beat the XS Max in Ram management.
Ram just lets you open more apps at the same time. Nothing else no performance gains at all. But the Max beat it even the xr best it in every benchmark and the one plus 7 matched it.
 
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Still using on-display buttons to navigate by default and swipe gestures are nowhere near as precise or good. What a joke.
 
Right, so Samsung doesn't get off the hook just because it's usb-c. It wouldn't let Apple of the hook either. Dongles are dongles, which are bad. You won't have the dongle when you need it, or will lose it, doesn't allow "listen and charge" and are just unsightly. Wireless charging only solves the problem for a fraction of the owners when they're by a/their charging mat. So what makes any dongle, usb-c or not, acceptable here? Why cut the customers' choice? Especially, after they criticized Apple for it.

We're talking about a phone. You don't need USB-A on a phone. And you don't need a dongle - Samsung provide active noise cancelling USB-C headphones, and maybe free wireless headphones as a pre-order bonus.
 
A whole month before the much rumored 6+. Like Samsung came out with the Samsung Watch first, after they heard that Apple was coming out with it.

Like the Galaxy S+ back in June 2010? Iphone 6+ wasn't until September 2014

Samsung released the first WatchPhone back in 1999 called the SPH-WP10

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Samsung also released a WatchPhone in France during 2009, called the S9110


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The sleek S9110 is a mere 11.98mm thick thanks to the company’s advanced surface mounting technology, making it the slimmest watchphone device in the market. Featuring a 1.76” full touch screen customized for the wrist-watch form factor, the S9110 aims to attract mobile phone users who want a unique fashion item that keeps them connected on the go. The device also enables the users to check their e-mail seamlessly through Outlook.

In 1999, Samsung introduced the world’s first watch phone, the SPH-WP10, which became a landmark product in the mobile industry. The S9110 will be available in France this month for around 450 Euros.

Bet lets not let facts get in the way eh?! :rolleyes:
 
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This looks really nice and outclasses Apple pretty much everywhere but OS.

If somehow this could run iOS I’m guessing most would pick this over apples dated hardware. Besides Face ID does Apple do anything better than this?
I feel Samsung Software is far superior....when compared with iOS...with stability, Knox security, lots of customisation options....dual WhatsApp, Stylus, in display fingerprint, far bigger usable screen Real Estate...I use Note 9 8GB RAM 512 GB storage bought for $950....man...there is absolutely no comparison here especially iPhone XS Max 512 GB costs $2000!!
 
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I feel Samsung Software is far superior....when compared with iOS...with stability, Knox security, lots of customisation options....dual WhatsApp, Stylus, in display fingerprint, far bigger usable screen Real Estate...I use Note 9 8GB RAM 512 GB storage bought for $950....man...there is absolutely no comparison here especially iPhone XS Max 512 GB costs $2000!!

Most people on this forum want iOS not android.
 
Samsung made an advert dissing apple for removing the headphone jack on there phones and now they announce the new note phone and guess what they removed it, Samsung are so dumb haha
I guess I'm desensitized. Happens all the time in all directions.
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I think Samsung makes some beautiful hardware but is, as has been pointed out many times before, handicapped for me by using Android. The trouble with competing with Apple is Apple controls the entire product from start to finish hardware and software. Nobody surprisingly has done that. And now that Apple has really made a stance on with privacy, it’s going to be even harder to leave the iOS ecosystem.
Please see the thread about Apple recording conversations through siri and get back with us.
 
Most people on this forum want iOS not android.
Most of them probably locked or invested in iOS ecosystem never get to use Samsung ONE UI....I have used iPhones from first edition to iPhone 7 Plus....now I can't afford and naturally lost interest...the only Apple product I have is MBP late 2013 512 GB /16 GB RAM....
 
Most of them probably locked or invested in iOS ecosystem never get to use Samsung ONE UI....I have used iPhones from first edition to iPhone 7 Plus....now I can't afford and naturally lost interest...the only Apple product I have is MBP late 2013 512 GB /16 GB RAM....
Your distinction isn’t clear. If I am invested in iOS then I want iOS. If I didn’t want iOS I wouldn’t have invested in it.
 
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Your distinction isn’t clear. If I am invested in iOS then I want iOS. If I didn’t want iOS I wouldn’t have invested in it.
May be so, but they are talking about Android without extensively using them doesn't make their opinion count on Android, isn't?
 
May be so, but they are talking about Android without extensively using them doesn't make their opinion count on Android, isn't?

A bit like the MANY people who don’t use iOS and think their opinion counts.

Personally I prefer to actually try both and make up my mind from that.
 
I feel Samsung Software is far superior....when compared with iOS...with stability, Knox security, lots of customisation options....dual WhatsApp, Stylus, in display fingerprint, far bigger usable screen Real Estate...I use Note 9 8GB RAM 512 GB storage bought for $950....man...there is absolutely no comparison here especially iPhone XS Max 512 GB costs $2000!!
:D:D:D:D You got to be kidding me.
 
Here's Steve launching the Apple pencil in 2007

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I feel you know that this isn’t what Steve was talking about, but prefer to do this lame attempt to troll.

He was talking about HAVING to use a stylus to use the phone...which back in 2007 was something to make clear. Apple adding support for Apple Pencil in 2019 isn’t the same. It’s only an option, not a requirement.

Damned if they do, damned if the don’t:
Critics: “OMG, Apple. Give your users some choice! At least give an option.”

(Apple gives support to use...as an option...a stylus on iPhone)

Critics: “OMG, Apple. Steve would never do this! Remember what he said 12 years ago?!?! Don’t give us an option”
 
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Plus, I can't count how many times they said "connected to the things we love" and other cheesy phrases...
I find this statement cute given Tim's standard annual, "This is the best iPhone we've ever made."
And don't forget the word "gorgeous" used about 50 times by Phil.
 
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Most of them probably locked or invested in iOS ecosystem never get to use Samsung ONE UI....I have used iPhones from first edition to iPhone 7 Plus....now I can't afford and naturally lost interest...the only Apple product I have is MBP late 2013 512 GB /16 GB RAM....
So...why keep coming here? To just reaffirm your purchasing decisions by cutting down what you no longer use?

I was a long time user of Android, but now that I’m on iOS I don’t hang around Android forums proclaiming how much better iOS devices are. Why would I? But hey, that’s just me.

Also, I’ve found the worst part of being in the Apple ecosystem and behind the “walled garden” is all the people who aren’t in it telling you you’re wrong for being in it.
 
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Update: We were able to go hands-on with the new Galaxy Note 10 and Galaxy Note 10+, so make sure to check out our video for a closer look at Samsung's newest flagship devices.


Samsung this afternoon unveiled its newest flagship smartphones, which are in the Galaxy Note family. The Galaxy Note 10, for the first time in a Note device, is available in two sizes: 6.3 (Galaxy Note 10) and 6.8 inches (Galaxy Note 10+).

Both of the smartphones feature an AMOLED Cinematic Infinity Display (2280x1080 for Note 10 and 3040x1440 for Note 10+), with the Galaxy Note 10+ featuring the largest display yet in a Note device. The Cinematic Infinity Displays are close to bezel free, with a small chin and the bottom and a single hole punch camera cutout. There is an ultrasonic fingerprint sensor for biometric authentication, plus Samsung's face recognition, and no headphone jack.

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The Samsung DeX feature that makes it easier for Samsung users to swap between a phone and a PC or Mac now allows for files to be dragged and dropped between devices when connected via USB. Mobile apps can be used with a mouse and keyboard through DeX, and the Galaxy Note 10 also has a feature for a one click connection to a Windows 10 PC.

The Galaxy Note 10 features new S Pen technologies, including a redesigned, streamlined look for the pen itself. A new handwriting to text feature lets users write notes that can be converted to digital text in the Samsung Notes app, and Air actions are supported, allowing for customizable gesture-based controls with the S Pen.

Samsung added a triple-lens camera to the Note 10 and a quad camera to the Note 10+. The Note 10 features a 16-megapixel ultra wide-angle camera, a 12-megapixel wide-angle camera, and a 12-megapixel telephoto camera. The Note 10+ has the same lenses but also adds a new DepthVision Camera.

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There are new photo and video capabilities in the Galaxy Note 10, including a Live Focus Video option that adds depth-of-field adjustments to video and a Zoom-In Mic for amplifying audio. An improved super steady mode better stabilizes footage to cut down on shakiness.

A Screen Recorder feature captures what's on the screen for gamers, and a picture-in-picture feature can be used to add reactions while the S Pen can be used for annotations. Night mode, which brightens up dark photos, now works with the 10-megapixel front-facing camera.

An AR Doodle feature lets Note 10 users customize their photos with dynamic drawings, effects, and animations, while the new 3D Scanner (Note 10+) can take a scan of an object and turn it into a movable 3D rendering.

The smartphones are equipped with 7-nanometer 64-bit Octa-core processors, with the Note 10 offering 8GB RAM and 256GB of internal storage. The Note 10+ features 12GB RAM and up to 512GB internal storage. Samsung says the Note 10 devices are equipped with "the world's slimmest vapor chamber cooling system" for better gameplay performance.

There's a 3,500mAh battery in the Galaxy Note 10, and a 4,300mAh battery in the Galaxy Note 10+.

Other features include super fast charging with 45W wired charging capability for the Note 10+, Wireless PowerShare for charging other Qi-based wireless chargers with the Galaxy Note 10, and 5G options for fast speeds. The Galaxy Note 10+ is available in a 5G variant for those who want 5G speeds, and the LTE models offer up to 2Gb/s download speeds and 150Mb/s upload speeds.

Samsung is offering the Galaxy Note 10 and Note 10+ in Aura Glow, Aura White and Aura Black. The Galaxy Note 10 is priced starting at $949.99, while Galaxy Note 10+ pricing starts at $1099.99. Samsung will begin selling the Galaxy Note 10 and 10+ on August 23, with pre-orders set to kick off on August 8. The Galaxy Note 10+ 5G, priced at $1,299.99, will be a Verizon exclusive at launch. Samsung's livestream showing off the features of the new devices is available below.


Samsung's Galaxy Note 10 will compete with Apple's upcoming 2019 iPhones, which are set to offer triple-lens camera setups, bilateral wireless charging, faster processors, and more.

Article Link: Samsung Unveils New Flagship Galaxy Note 10 and Galaxy Note 10+ [Update: Hands-On Added]

Nice video. But fake news saying the Note 10 lineup has no expandable storage.... the Note 10+ DOES have a Microsd slot expandable by up to an extra 1TB.

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So...why keep coming here? To just reaffirm your purchasing decisions by cutting down what you no longer use?

I was a long time user of Android, but now that I’m on iOS I don’t hang around Android forums proclaiming how much better iOS devices are. Why would I? But hey, that’s just me.

Also, I’ve found the worst part of being in the Apple ecosystem and behind the “walled garden” is all the people who aren’t in it telling you you’re wrong for being in it.

But this thread is all about Samsung Note in MR....you don't want Android users to comment on it...

Well that tells about the ecosystem!!
 
Samsung updates their OS roughly once a month and is usually on the latest patch level. Security-wise, they’re top notch. Now for version upgrades, that‘s a different story. It‘ll be roughly March 2020 until the current Note line-up gets the next version of Android. Usually not a big deal as Google is rather slow in terms of adding new break-through features. Especially since the launch of its own Pixel line - many of the new features tend to be reserved for those phones. But even with that - Samsung has been very good with version upgrades as well. They‘ve updated everything back to the S8 to Pie in early spring this year. Considering the fact that Google didn‘t release pie to the OEMs until late October 2018, that really wasn‘t bad. I mean Apple runs several months of public testing before the final version upgrade is ready and only updates once a year as well.

Android‘s (well-deserved) reputation of lacking prompt version updates mostly pertains to the gazillion of ultra-cheap entry-level phones. Those, of course, are the biggest part of the Android market and when you read that „only 11% of all Android phones are running 9.0“, it‘s those phones that drag down the numbers. If you look at how many S8, S9 and S10 phones run the latest version of Android, it‘s close to 100%.

Companies like Samsung, Sony etc. have been updating their mid- and upper tier models at roughly the same pace as Apple for several years now.
Thanks for informative reply. Samsung’s Android patches take “roughly” a month. This still is not close to immediate like iOS bug patches. Samsung takes months for new Android updates after it is released by Google (if they push it to a device at all) while new iOS versions are pushed out to all devices immediately upon release.
 
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