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Samsung Wants You to 'Join the Flip Side' Instead of Buying an iPhone 14 Pro
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Were you expecting a discussion about basket weaving in a thread about a Samsung commercial on an Apple forum?
Don't you think Samsung actually simulates such usage in their testing? (They do)
Yes, a weak point can be vulnerable, I'm not saying that part of what you say is wrong, but I think you overestimate just how much of a weak point it is. But whatever, since you can't prove that, and I can't prove the negative, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Only time will tell...
Would you rather things always stayed the same? I know I don't, you have to push the envelope to increase knowledge, and that's a good thing.
No I agree exactly. Someone has to try new bold things in this space.
The last real change in the day to day usage of an iPhone was when they removed the home button/Touch ID and introduced Face ID that was five years ago.
A weak point is a weak point, and that’s a failure. You admit there is one, so thanks for that. My argument wasn’t ‘how much of a weak point’. It’s binary. Since you now agree there’s a weak point, our debate is ended.
The tech isn’t ready for prime time until that weak point is resolved.
It could be resolved by anyone, might be Samsung, might be Apple, might be Google, who knows, we will see, and props to whoever resolves it.
You can't have a fold without a weak point. When it lasts as long as an average phone's useful lifetime, and from my usage, I don't see any problem with that, it's perfectly acceptable. There's no guarantee it'll ever break, even with a weak point.
It fills a need for those that have a reason to have a larger screen in a smaller package, and it actually does it well. For me I didn't buy the Flip4 because it was new tech, though I did when I bought my first foldable, I bought it because I like the small pocket size and I like how the screen is more protected when closed than my iPhone. And I never have seen any problems with it. The screen actually has better color than my iPhone, so there is that too. (I did order an iPhone 14 Pro to replace my mini, and hopefully that screen will be even better color-wise!)
The rollables may be better when they come out, and I'll probably buy one as I'm always looking for a better way of doing anything.
I actually like touchID. The Flip's have it.
The next thing will be rollables, I can't wait.
Actually you can. This Patent from Apple shows a fold/flip phone that would not have a weak-pint, as technically it's 2 separate screens, that when you open it, they are seamlessly joined. It gets away from the issue that the fold/flip phones currently have.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a30781073/apple-foldable-iphone-patent/
Also, I've never said there's not an audience for flip/fold phones, and you really went off on defending your choice to have the phone seemingly very insecure in the choice. If you want a phone that has a chance of failing in the time you own it, that's fair enough to take that gamble. I've seen hundreds of posts on various android and Samsung forums of people that regret the choice and went back to a non-foldable Galaxy.
We'll see once they actually release something.
LOL, slab phones fail too, there's no sure bet.
I don't consider it any more of a gamble than a slab phone. If it breaks, I'll get it fixed or get something else, just like any other tech.
I see this fatigue sensitivity/lifespan of the Folds crease is really a side issue of little or no consequence given that its already production tested to over 5 years and pales in to insignificance on the overwhelming weakness of most phones which is the glass front and backWe'll see once they actually release something.
LOL, slab phones fail too, there's no sure bet.
I don't consider it any more of a gamble than a slab phone. If it breaks, I'll get it fixed or get something else, just like any other tech.
There is even a case to be stated that your far less likely to break the inner screen of the Fold's compared to the main screen on slabs. This alone in terms of risk from impact damage outweighs other concerns IMO
Given the replacement costs of just the back glass, especially with Apple you have to wonder why we have not resolved this weak point which is far worse than the Fold possible issues with crease failure after 5 years or more.
LMAO ... you may need to when that crease begins to crack.
Funny Samsungs fold testing is 1/4 that of the Motorola RAZR 2022 a competing product only in China, currently thus far. Why 1/4 the fold testing? the latter also has barely any crease at all.
- I did like the comparisons but lost a gut laughing at the toilet fold screen - Samsung basically saying 'hey we just gave you an update Flip3 with slightly small hinge its CRAP'
- Samsung says in narrative the iphone user 'I love buying the same phone every year' well doesn't that potentially go for any smartphone user regardless of platform? Not all do though. Also this IS a commercial for the Flip 4 (version 4 of the same phone). still 4 yrs in and still a tiny external screen that is heavily limited compared to even last generation Motorola RAZR 5G model released 1.5yrs ago. Not a smart flex by Samsung in this commercial.
Moreover @Zito Abroad
- glad for your purchase if it suits you, but ...
- you do realize longevity with folds is terrible vs slabs.
- most of what you do with the phone will still need to be flipped open so don't show off to people too often if unnecessary I'm sure those open/closed actions are logged may count towards total threshold of warranty support - something you may want to contact Samsung about specifically.
- If samsung didn't have such a high trade in amount for the flip3 or other phones just for this model I wonder if you'd still consider the flip4?
Personally I think Flip and fold is wave 1 and doomed to fail really.
Rollable screens grant all the promise of flips and folds without ANY of the issues and allows for rapid closure or open with much less moving parts. I look forward to Samsung releasing a foldable smartphone or even better Apple.
I gotta ask then why are you needing the participate in the smartphone threads here on Macrumors then if you've made your choice? I'd get participating in Mac threads, but surely its not your job to convince iphone users to switch nor I'm sure you don't take great gratitude or meaning in all the negative feedback surmounting above any positive feedback of your choice in smartphones right?
IT is a gimmick.
AndroidOS is vastly complex for end users, especially that lady in your office who's a non-techie - which will eventually get super frustrated with the OS on her samsung which has notoriously been known to slow down within the first year progressively getting worse and worse exponentially! Many threads here and on XDA forums or reddit prove this.
Microsoft STILL fails in a 'tablet' experience because WindowsOS on the Surface Pro's is a terrible job along with their stylus, the Surface phone had promise yet poorly executed; the announcement event was better than the execution of the phone.
Apple can and most likely would release the 'same thing' fold-able phones and the competition will seem like a gimmick then. Y?
Because the fit and finish and polish for every end user's experience or lack thereof, the hardware and software teams collaborating to bring a more synergistic product.
CarPlay announcement is a HUGE view into this!
If you don't understand this by now ... no sweat you never will.
Sure, assuming I only ever wanted to see a few characters of a message and not be able to respond.
Lol some people will disagree with you from a quote to them then immediately disagree with your on quote for someone else right after just because - even if the facts are right lol.
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The ads is very good, TBH. It tried to change perception that flip is weird and uncommon. Also, drove people to be obsessed with flip phone. Well done Samsung. One thing that stopping me to buy is the Apple ecosystem.
Following the announcement of the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro, Samsung has released a new ad that seems to be aimed at convincing iPhone customers to try out its latest Galaxy Z Flip4, which, as the name suggests - flips.
The ad, titled "Join the flip side," starts with a Flip4 user showing off the device's design to what is presumed to be an iPhone user, highlighting features such as how it can stand up by itself to take group selfies. "I would never switch to Samsung. I love my phone," the iPhone user says, possibly playing on the idea of iPhone users being "stubborn" to try devices made by companies other than Apple.
The iPhone customer then becomes obsessed with everything that flips open and closed, such as a book, a toilet seat, and more. In multiple segments, the iPhone user is obsessed with folding things, such as a pizza, all while repeating to themselves phrases like "I've always loved my phone," "I would never switch," and "I will never switch to Samsung."
Towards the end, the iPhone user wakes up from the nightmare and attempts to fold their smartphone in half, and since it doesn't, they place an order for the Galaxy Z Flip4.
Before the iPhone 14 launch, Samsung released another ad mocking the "lack of innovation" expected for Apple's latest phones compared to the Galaxy S22 Ultra and Z Flip4.
Article Link: Samsung Wants You to 'Join the Flip Side' Instead of Buying an iPhone 14 Pro
This, coupled with Google’s battle on iMessage, is absolutely pathetic. Hey, Samsung, I’ve got an idea! How about… you just leave us alone with the devices we know and love, and you Android ninnies can go crawl back in your hole. Stupid ads like this one are in no way convincing to those of us who know the truth.
That stuff about buying the same phone years in a row is so true. There has been no change on the iPhone experience since faceID was introduced with the iPhone X. Since then every phone has been the same. If you want something different, buy the Fold, if not, stick with your iPhone XS.
Thing is, the mainline Galaxy is just the same phone each year as well (if you want to boil it down to the way Samsung does for iPhone). SO people cannot say that Samsung changes the form factor often because they got the fold, when the fold is a different line of devices (hopefully my point comes across, as sometimes I'm crap with articulating lol).