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Irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is that Flip/fold phones currently have an inherent flaw in the creased screen. It's a point of failure, of which there are numerous documented cases. That's facts. Based on those facts, my opinion is that it's not worth going for a flip/fold phone until the technology is ready for it properly.
Sorry, you are factually totally wrong. It's not an inherent flaw if it only occurs on a small number of devices.
 
Its an inherent flaw in that you can see the crease; it distorts what is on the display.
That's a different thing than the breaking, and an opinion as well. It actually doesn't distort what is on the display for me.
 
Why would I get a flip phone when an iPhone Mini is just as compact and I don’t have to deal with Android OS?
Nobody is forcing you to buy one, nor even consider it.

I actually currently have both a Flip4 and an iPhone 13 Mini. (I'll be replacing the Mini with a 14 Pro tomorrow as the mini never really did that well for me, short battery life, not great screen) But if the mini is what you want, it's certainly a decent phone and it's fairly cheap compared to other phones. And it does have iOS.

And fwiw, the Flip4 is smaller in your pocket when folded than the iPhone Mini, but weighs a lot more, as much as an iPhone Pro Max. Battery life of the Flip3 was just as bad as the iPhone 13 Mini, but the Flip4 got a bit better. Not like a Pro Max at all, but still all day unless you are a heavy user.

Anyway, battery life has been one of the biggest real drawbacks of the Flip and Fold design. Earlier versions couldn't get wet at all either.

As for the crease being a flaw, how is it a flaw when it looks and acts exactly as designed. The physics says it has to look like that to fold, at least with current materials. The only problem I have with the crease is you can feel it when using touch on the screen and it can be a bit disconcerting if you aren't used to it. You don't really see it when directly using it, but it's way easier to see from the side or with overhead lighting like all the pictures you see from people complaining about it.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, choice is good! I actually like it and it works really well for me.
 
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That ad was absolutely brilliant. Got a couple of audible laughs from me. Well done.
 
If you don't like it, don't buy it, choice is good! I actually like it and it works really well for me.
If only everyone else here could apply the same reason to Apple products. Don't like an Apple product? Just don't buy it. Why spend hours here ranting and raving like they have been living in the matrix all this while and have only just woken up?
 
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That's a different thing than the breaking, and an opinion as well. It actually doesn't distort what is on the display for me.
It’s an inherent flaw, as the crease means it’s a structural weak point, meaning it would lead to failure over time. That’s basic engineering & facts.

It might not distort for you yet, but is likely to at some point. That time can vary, so some people might have that failure sooner than others, it might be after they’ve sold that phone on and moved to a new phone (be it another device or new version).
 
It’s an inherent flaw, as the crease means it’s a structural weak point, meaning it would lead to failure over time. That’s basic engineering & facts.

It might not distort for you yet, but is likely to at some point. That time can vary, so some people might have that failure sooner than others, it might be after they’ve sold that phone on and moved to a new phone (be it another device or new version).
Whatever, I still disagree. Working as designed actually means something and you have absolutely no proof that a failure is assured over time. And it's not basic engineering and facts, it's opinion. If it were facts, you'd be able to prove it.

As for distorting and every phone fails eventually, like I said, I've had foldables for a long time, no problems.
 
Whatever, I still disagree. Working as designed actually means something and you have absolutely no proof that a failure is assured over time. And it's not basic engineering and facts, it's opinion. If it were facts, you'd be able to prove it.

As for distorting and every phone fails eventually, like I said, I've had foldables for a long time, no problems.
You can disagree, but it’s like disagreeing that the sky is blue. The crease is a weak spot. Weak spots in anything inevitably leads to failure. It’s structural engineering facts. I’d be saying this no matter who shipped this device. If Apple release one and it has a crease, I’ll be here saying the same. This tech is not ready for prime time. I’m also slating Apple for not being sensible and adopting RCS for texting, they’re being stupid by not doing so.

The proof is that you see the majority of physical issues reported with the flip and fold phones relate to the crease and not with any other physical part of the phone (like the camera, the chips, the buttons, etc). Also, the proof is that people keep posting about screen failures and issues due to the crease. If I was wrong, these reports would cease.

It’s rather convenient that you’ve never had an issue. You’ve probably not owned on for long enough to see, before you sold it and moved to a new one. No doubt you’ll come back saying you’ve owned one for years next…. As I’ve said, it doesn’t necessarily mean every single one will fail in 6 months or a year, but could fail after 2 years or longer.

Since I expect you’ll not accept the facts presented and be driven by opinion instead, I bid you good day, and agree to disagree.
 
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"Have you not seen my new phone yet,...." This girl must be popular among her friends, if she got any.
Haha yea. What normal person does that? It’s weird!! People’s choice of phone is their choice. They can choose an iPhone, they can choose the flawed galaxy flip or fold, or they can choose the Pixel phone, which in my opinion is a damn good phone.
 
I like that Samsung pushes the envelope in terms of mobile form factors, there's a place for that it's how things move forward.
 
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Having the public Beta testing hardware for them. 😋

Yeah Apple do it all the time, they stuck with a laptop keyboard that wasn't fit for purpose for multiple product releases, they put out a Mac Pro that had a flawed cooling design and continued to sell it for years. There are numerous examples.
 
Yeah Apple do it all the time, they stuck with a laptop keyboard that wasn't fit for purpose for multiple product releases, they put out a Mac Pro that had a flawed cooling design and continued to sell it for years. There are numerous examples.
Never said Apple didn’t… nice try though.

Apple also tried new things too. So do Google with Pixel.
 
Never said Apple didn’t… nice try though.

Apple also tried new things too. So do Google with Pixel.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

Apple tried new things in the early years of the smartphone for sure, in the Tim Cook era I'm struggling to think of a single thing that they were first with in terms of smartphones. Unless you are taking about removing headphone jacks and not shipping charging bricks.

The iPhone is so safe its incredible, the rate of change on that hardware is glacial.

EDIT: Maybe the silicon would be the one thing you could point to on the iPhone platform.
 
Not sure what point you are trying to make.

Apple tried new things in the early years of the smartphone for sure, in the Tim Cook era I'm struggling to think of a single thing that they were first with in terms of smartphones. Unless you are taking about removing headphone jacks and not shipping charging bricks.

The iPhone is so safe its incredible, the rate of change on that hardware is glacial.

EDIT: Maybe the silicon would be the one thing you could point to on the iPhone platform.
My point was, you’re trying to turn the conversation into a Samsung V Apple argument, baiting an argument. I’m not willing to entertain that. Find someone else to pick a fight with. Bye.
 
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