If it would, I definitely wouldn't even look at it. In my book, iOS is a horrible platform and its only there to restrict, limit and control its users.
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Samsung Widens Gap Over Apple in Worldwide Smartphone Market
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If it would, I definitely wouldn't even look at it. In my book, iOS is a horrible platform and its only there to restrict, limit and control its users.
Yep. You forgot "Apple is only doing this because they are greedy barstids who don't want me to have every thing I want right now and for no additional cost to me, whether it makes business or technological sense or not."
The difference is significantly smaller. SIGNIFICANTLY. You know that too.
It’s more than possible that a Samsung customer will consider an iPhone even amongst those that are less well off.
Why, well the difference in price is a couple of hundred dollars max. There is an ongoing rental that may be of similar amounts.
The difference bewteen the cheapest RR and the ‘other brands’ is typically massive. The costs, insurance, petrol, tax, maintenance are not even in the same ballpark.
Which model Roller is that you would like to base your comparison on?
You are reaching and you know it.
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Which is funny, because I know more about electronics and tech than any Andriod user I know. Out of people in my main close group of friends, 3/4 of us who build PCs use iPhones. The current CEO and several directors of the commuter railroad I work for all chose iPhones.
I also dont see what "think different" has to do with it. It's not like people are choosing the S6 because they find it advantagous. I don't think choosing something solely because it's different was what Apple meant. I can choose to walk around with a 10 year old Nokia if my goal is to just look different. Note the "think" part of the quote. If you compared the differences between the two phones and saw advantages that everyone else doesn't see or you were proud of your preference to one device, that'd be one thing and more in line of what "think different" means.
Choosing something just to look cool just comes across as someone who only cares about shallow BS.
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Profit is the only number that matters in the long run-- it's what tells you how much the market values your product.
Maximizing volume is easy. If I put an Arduino based phone on the market, and gave a $100 bill with each $40 phone, I bet I could sell a lot of them. Maximizing profit is what makes it business.
There are short term strategies that trade short term profits for long term, or vice versa, but I don't get any sense that's what we're seeing here on either side with these two companies-- there's been a consistent trend for years of Apple taking more and more of the profit from the market while Samsung tries to trade price for volume.
If that's Samsung's strategy, then it will only work if they can lock in enough customers that they won't leave the brand when they spike their price later to recoup delayed profits. Look at the challenges the social media companies have faced trying to start by building market share then trying to convert that to sustainable profits.
Eventually, if Samsung doesn't make money at it, they can't stay in the business. If Apple makes more money at it, they can funnel much more into R&D and future purchase contracts.
I see what you're saying; if enough users leave iPhone due to missing headphone jack, then Apple becomes the weakest antelope. And Samsung becomes the new "Apple" of the herd. So losing the jack would be a bad evolution?
Makes sense.
How can an OS be "boring?" It either works or it doesn't work. Man, people are stupid.
Samsung and others report *shipments* as in, it left the factory. Apple reports *sales*, as in, it was sold to a customer and actually activated. Big difference.
Check your privilege. $200 is the difference between making rent or eviction for a lot more people than you seem to think in the US. And there are many countries Apple relies on who are doing much worse.
I wouldn't say that just yet. 60% of iPhone users are still on the 5/5S. We will see when the 6C (or 5SE) is released whether there are a significant number of people who don't want the bigger phone. I got the 6 and I'm ready to go back to a 4" phone as long as it's not compromised (processor, camera, etc)
I just logged in so I could say something similar!
This article is wrong in so many ways.
Who cares if Samsung sells more than Apple?
The vehicle analogy is perfect - Ford or Chevy cars, on average, are lower in cost than their competitors.
Btw, this is not in any way, shape or form slamming any vehicle manufacturers...just facts:
Let's do some pretend math:
You sell 100 Ford Taurus at $27K per = $2.7 million
your neighbour doesn't sell as many cards, but sells 90 Lexus ES 300 at $38K per - $3.8 million
Of course, you may sell more Fords because they do the same thing essentially, albeit a lower cost.
Some may argue, they do things the same, but not quite as good.
But your shareholders don't give a crap about that.
Bottom line: your neighbour made $1.1 million more.
Who's happier?
There will be people who always see the value and be able to afford a Lexus or iPhone, if they choose.
There will, of course, be people who can afford the Lexus/iPhone, but choose the Ford/Samsung.
There will be a pile of people who see the value of a Lexus/iPhone and for whatever reason, they can't fit it in their budget. Not judging any - it's fact. Samsung, I believe, is hedging their bets on this category and pleading with the 2nd group.
It's quite possible I'm off in my thoughts, but from what I see, I'm pretty bang on with it
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While I agree with everything said here.
I have serious issues with us, Mostly all the consumer itself, really giving two flying fudges what the shareholders want or care about.
This constant "BUT APPLE PROFITS!!! SO APPLE IS BEST" should be virtually irrelevant to us as consumers.
as Consumers, what should matter to us?
1: Will my product continue to receive support
2: will my vendor continue to offer products tha meet my requirements
3: Will I receive value for the price I paid?
Apple has somehow sold many people here, that earning record profits year after year is somehow beneficial to us as their customers, and that somehow, having 45% margin on their devices somehow is good for us the consumer. It's one of the biggest slight of hand tricks they've managed to pass off on us. They've convinced millions of people that supporting their shareholders is the most important aspect of buying Apple products.
And the mental gymnastics some people go to here to support that mentality is disturbing.
Yes. Companies need profit for growth. All companies should aim for profit to sustain growth. But rampant profiteering purely for the sake of profiteering and making a very tiny group of rich people richer is a disturbing reality.
At the end of the day, if Samsung Sells more units, and can continue business operations, why the hell are people offended by this.
Fair point. So the Korean Company is trying to defeat two Chinese companies. I don't think that the whole Korea vs China has gone well for Korea in the past. But.... good luck with that.
Apples and peers.... How can you compare sales of his end iPhones with a mix of low, mid and high end Samsungs.
Rather present sale or profit...whole different story.
Rather present sale or profit...whole different story.
Exactly. And the assumption some people make that their use case is the only one is mind-boggling. As is someone's enjoyment of using a product being contingent on what other people use or think.
To be honest, I should clarify that I'm not here to support the shareholders. I guess, my point is that Apple is allowed to do what it wants to do and if people agree with it, then buy their products. If you don't, don't buy the products. Am I happy with the 45% margin? Of course I'm not. But do I see value in their products from me and how I use them? Yes I do.
It's their right to charge what they want.
It's ironic I post about cars because I'm an actual truck driver. And I'm not a car aficionado whatsoever. But I recently saw the Aston Martin from James Bond is available. Now what I like the car? Absolutely!
Do I think it's extremely overpriced and probably has a ridiculous margin to it? Absolutely! But I tell you, if I won the lottery I'd buy one
It's their right to charge what they want.
It's ironic I post about cars because I'm an actual truck driver. And I'm not a car aficionado whatsoever. But I recently saw the Aston Martin from James Bond is available. Now what I like the car? Absolutely!
Do I think it's extremely overpriced and probably has a ridiculous margin to it? Absolutely! But I tell you, if I won the lottery I'd buy one
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I'm not sure if there are sales by model for Samsung, but I'm sure if their profits are declining in almost 65%, then most their sales are in the lower end ones.
$400USD is a lot of money, specially in countries outside of the United States, where carriers rarely give any significant discounts when acquiring a smartphone, even with a 24-months plan.
Even if the difference were only $200, many prefer not to pay it.
From my experience, many Android owners would like to have an iPhone, but the entry price just doesn't makes sense to them. They are going to be able to make calls, send messages, Facebook, etc. (all the major apps), from their Android phone just as with the iPhone.
And these people usually go for the free Samsung phone.
It was a meme for a while, But what went from a Meme, is now a reality on the internet.
"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"
Not limited to:
an OS that doesn't offer enough functionality,
an OS that offers nothing new vs competitors...
GUI is bland and unappealing..
Some people seriously lack insight..
Car analogies suck... and you know it
Here's a Samsung phone that sells for around $125 in India. LINK
And there are plenty more in other countries.
Do you think Samsung sells a lot of phones like those around the world? YES
So no... Samsung and Apple aren't going for the "same" customers. There is some crossover at the high-end... but there are other categories that Apple actively avoids.
Samsung can have those.
Problem is, profits from Samsung's mobile division have been falling for a couple or more years in a row.
Eventually they won't be able to support this loss, and my guess is they will start ditching their low-end phones and focus entirely in their high-end ones, since this will make them able to cut employees and reduce operating cost in general.
Ignorance implies there is no truth to it.
The "inferior product" is just meaningless, and I'll give credit that Apple is not producing inferior products.
But when a company can boast record profit after record profit, and Very high profit margins (Much higher than the industry standards). Then you look at their financials and their future growth does not even touch most of those profits, which are being stockpiled overseas and out of local economies, while paying their elite level isnane amonuts of money that is virtually unheard of in the world, you have to seriously question whether or not the value you are getting is worth it. Some people think so, (and nothing wrong with that), but eventually you start to feel like you are being taxed by a few very rich people, purely for their benefit.
Lets say, using hypothetical numbers for calculation point;
Apple profit for the year was 50 Billion. So Next year, they grow costs by 30 Billion, then redistribute the rest of that to shareholders and bank a little. It wouldn't feel hinky.
But whats happening:
Apple makes 50 Billion in profit. Does not significantly change costs in future years. Takes 45 bILLION of that and puts it in the banks. and distributes 5 billion to a few dozen people.
Does THAT make you feel better that 45% of that device you spent is going towards that? Does that benefit YOU as a Apple fan? Even Fanboys should be looking at that profiteering questionably. Apple could afford to drop prices by 20% and still be raking in billions in profit, that far exceeds future growth plans, AND cost predictions.