Google's mind control powers make Apple's RDF look like child's play.
I mean hey, Apple is just out to take your money, whereas Google loves you!
Most obnoxious fanboys on the planet? It's a toss up between the Fandroids and the Ron Paul Brigade.
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Google's mind control powers make Apple's RDF look like child's play.
I mean hey, Apple is just out to take your money, whereas Google loves you!
Most obnoxious fanboys on the planet? It's a toss up between the Fandroids and the Ron Paul Brigade.
And exactly what "news" site should would cover icons in a Samsung retail environment, CNN?
I read an article that was published by one of the usual sites that covers tech. I didn't dig it out of someone's forum post.
I don't understand how a former APPLE designer Susan Kare could be used as an expert supposedly neutral witness. Even so, if she picked up a Samsung phone and thought it wa an iPhone she's anything BUT an expert. Jeez.
In case case, if Apple wins this ridiculous lawsuit I will never buy an Apple product again. I really mean that.
She's NOT a neutral witness. She's testifying for Apple. Samsung will call their own witnesses also.
Nature motifs and flowers in particular has always been used to symbolize photography.
The devil is in the details...
Apple's trademarks are pretty specific as to color, and it's very easy to see that often their details are quite different from what Samsung did:
As for the green phone icon, what you have to realize is that Apple chose it to LOOK LIKE the Send icon that had been used on phones for years. It was so common, that they couldn't even trademark the first one they showed off... they had to throw in background stripes in their trademark application:
Likewise, when it came time to add microphone icons, Apple ... just like other companies... used familiar looks:
As for the packaging, styles come and go. Apple's interior setup looks like almost a clone of the Prada's packaging (which came out before the iPhone did), from the display when you open it, to the inside accessories layout:
Apple's trademarks are pretty specific as to color, and it's very easy to see that often their details are quite different from what Samsung did:
As for the green phone icon, what you have to realize is that Apple chose it to LOOK LIKE the Send icon that had been used on phones for years. It was so common, that they couldn't even trademark the first one they showed off... they had to throw in background stripes in their trademark application:
Likewise, when it came time to add microphone icons, Apple ... just like other companies... used familiar looks:
As for the packaging, styles come and go. Apple's interior setup looks like almost a clone of the Prada's packaging (which came out before the iPhone did), from the display when you open it, to the inside accessories layout:
Thuggish?
I think I am banging my head against the wall after writing all those posts.
Mate,
either you don't know what 'Thuggish' really means OR
don't know the right party to apply the adjective to OR
simply unaware of the proceeding OR
don't understand the **** law and IP is for
Apple should simply just watch and not protect anything. They will portray as criminals if they try to use the law and defend themselves.
I don't understand how a former APPLE designer Susan Kare could be used as an expert supposedly neutral witness. Even so, if she picked up a Samsung phone and thought it wa an iPhone she's anything BUT an expert. Jeez.
In case case, if Apple wins this ridiculous lawsuit I will never buy an Apple product again. I really mean that.
If it's the lawsuit that bothers you, you should probably stop buying their products now. Win or lose is not their choice at this point. I fail to see how a victory in their favor should factor into your decision. If they win, you can be mad at the system/jurors. If they lose, you will hate them less for suing Samsung in the first place?
"Couldn't be any further?" Really??? Even Microsoft - infamous for "me too" design, managed to come up with something that looks nothing like iOS. (And kudos to them for doing so.)
Maybe Google just didn't "try" hard enough? Or try at all?
http://www.istockphoto.com/search/text/address book, icon/source/basic#68a7527
http://www.istockphoto.com/search/text/notepad, icon/source/basic#10295f0a
Here are 61 pages worth of different ways to show a address book/notepad in different looking icons. You can't tell me there arent literally sh-t tons of ways to represent one...especially with a different 'look and feel'...
Samsung basically copied the iOS 'look and feel' instead of designing a new look, like MS did with Metro.
Samsung is going to lose this badly.
Icons can be vastly different (just do a stock search for specific icons and you'll see vastly different look)...Samsung just didn't even try.
The key thing here is that Samsung didn't come up with a new look, like MS did. We all know a phone will look like a phone icon...but it's how it's displayed. On the iPhone its the green icon...but on Metro, it's a blue circle.
That's the point. Samsung just basically slightly modified the iPhone look instead of coming up with their own.
Example ...taking a phone icon and making two completely different looks that are identifiable by OS
iOS
Microsoft Windows phone/Metro
Not hard to do.
NO ONE is going to pick up a Windows 7 phone or tablet with the OS 'on' and mistake it for an iPhone/iOS device.
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She's made icons and graphics for a lot of companies.... Apple and Microsoft are her two biggest clients.
That being said, she is an idiot if she can confuse a Samsung phone of any kind with an iPhone.
Sorry, but they simply are not that similar.
Let's also remind everyone that Apple is paying $550 per hour to testify in their favor.
I'm sure her story would be different if Samsung was paying her fee.
The reality, "paid" expert testimony is biased to the company paying for it and is why it should never be allowed in court.
If an expert needs to be brought in, they should be a neutral party that has not done business with either party and their time should be paid for by both parties.
And if you're a salaried employee, you get the sandwich money and the joy of being N days behind in your work that you need to work double time to make-up for.
So let LG sue Apple if there's a viable case to be made.
"Samsung couldn't have copied Apple because Apple copied X" isn't a very strong argument.
And whenever I think "photos," I think of a flower with yellow petals. I mean, it's just universal!
This is the kind of stuff that kills me... absolutely incorrect and senseless babbling by somebody who clearly isn't aware of the full picture by all parties.
If Apple has a case here, then we have a serious problem on our hands... last I looked, most TVs look the similar... Ford and Chevy both use steering wheels... etc...
You're being exceptionally childish and irrational with this one, Apple. Just stop already.
I love to see competition when it comes to electronics which is why I typically side with Apple's competitors so that the competition catches up. In this case though, Samsung seems either lazy when it comes to differentiation or just wanted to ride Apple's coattails. Samsung deserves a pretty hefty punishment for this.
Strong words from an anonymous Internet nobody.
Offensive, really.
Yes, and a Mustang looks identical to a Camaro. Right?
Wow.
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Just wait until Apple starts making TV's. I can guarantee you they will try to ban all others.
Read what I wrote again, my comment only relate to the points "similarity of the marks" and "defendant's intent in selecting the mark" and I correctly said that those two points doesn't necessarily mean infringement because those two criteria alone aren't enough.
Obviously, when i wrote red/yellow I referred to the red-to-yellow gradient in the Samsung contacts icon and with brown/beige I referred to the brown-to-beige gradient in the Apple contacts icon.
If one calls someone else an idiot just because it can not agree, it must be a pure and total IDIOT first.
What I still don't get
Here's what I don't get.
I owned a small branding firm (5-6 employees) for about 15 years. Most of our work was done for regional and local companies, and none of it received the type of exposure as Samsung's.
But we were always conscious -- as were our clients -- about infringing upon someone's trademark. Aside from being unethical, it's just not worth the risk of lawsuit, of product redesign, of, well, anything.
Time after time, we'd reject at sketch stage logos that looked too similar to others in the marketplace. We even redesigned and reimplemented at our own expense a client's visual identity when shortly after launch, their legal department notified us that they'd found another logo -- in a completely different market -- that looked (accidentally and incidentally) very similar.
What in the hell was Samsung thinking, blatantly copying Apple's UI and launching it into the same marketplace? It's branding 101, people.
Here's what I don't get.
I owned a small branding firm (5-6 employees) for about 15 years. Most of our work was done for regional and local companies, and none of it received the type of exposure as Samsung's.
But we were always conscious -- as were our clients -- about infringing upon someone's trademark. Aside from being unethical, it's just not worth the risk of lawsuit, of product redesign, of, well, anything.
Time after time, we'd reject at sketch stage logos that looked too similar to others in the marketplace. We even redesigned and reimplemented at our own expense a client's visual identity when shortly after launch, their legal department notified us that they'd found another logo -- in a completely different market -- that looked (accidentally and incidentally) very similar.
What in the hell was Samsung thinking, blatantly copying Apple's UI and launching it into the same marketplace? It's branding 101, people.
