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Samsung's 'Crisis of Design' Memo Enters Patent Trial as Early Apple Designer Testifies on Confusion
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Great post
Just to point another little tid bit out. The green phone icon. Skype has used a green phone icon since it's initial release, right back on Feb 19th 2006 - one year before the iPhone.
Ya.
Here's that Skype logo from 2006 :
Gee Whiz. Notice anything different ?
So having alphabet soup after ones name makes them incapable of making idiotic mistakes?
Gotcha.
An idiotic mistake would be a Greek male Citizen 2000 years ago not participating in his civic duty to participate in war efforts - meaning not enlisting for 10 years. Therefore, that person did not have the right to run for public office. I guess, you could either argue she is an "idiotia" because she didn't go to the military or you can argue she isn't because she is female and it doesn't pertain to her.
Moderators, we need the "vote down" back to kick those clueless trolling this forum to hell.
I have come to the sad conclusion that the typical macrumor member is clueless.
It's pretty clear what happened: Samsung's unimaginative executives and designers were so focused on copying Nokia's mid-2000s smartphone design that they were blindsided by Apple having a different idea.
They then correctly concluded this would be the new standard, and quickly maneuvered to copy it as much as they could, knowing their R&D was years behind Apple and that they were about to miss out on a huge market move. They (and others) found a willing partner in Google's Android (which would itself debut looking very different from iPhone OS, but which quickly "caught up").
And they have been flooding the market with clones ever since. Now all Apple has to do is prove they did this...not easy
They then correctly concluded this would be the new standard, and quickly maneuvered to copy it as much as they could, knowing their R&D was years behind Apple and that they were about to miss out on a huge market move. They (and others) found a willing partner in Google's Android (which would itself debut looking very different from iPhone OS, but which quickly "caught up").
And they have been flooding the market with clones ever since. Now all Apple has to do is prove they did this...not easy
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A lot of people seem to be arguing that Apple should fail as the things they are complaining about all have prior art references. Arguing that the similar icons, the basic shape, the surround, the glass, icon layout and so on have all been used on various phones or computers or other devices before.
The problem with this argument is that Apple put them all together in a single device, then some time later Samsung did the same. Trying to argue that Samsung chose them by accident and from various devices released over many years over them having copied Apple is stupid.
I still don't get why Samsung did it though. They obviously can design unique products, so why didn't they? It's hard to come up with an answer other than them needing to play catch up quickly so they took a short cut. Though as I've said before it's down to the courts to decide whether it was a short cut too far.
The problem with this argument is that Apple put them all together in a single device, then some time later Samsung did the same. Trying to argue that Samsung chose them by accident and from various devices released over many years over them having copied Apple is stupid.
I still don't get why Samsung did it though. They obviously can design unique products, so why didn't they? It's hard to come up with an answer other than them needing to play catch up quickly so they took a short cut. Though as I've said before it's down to the courts to decide whether it was a short cut too far.
Report me . No need to single me out. I didn't single any one person out nor am I trolling. You are.
Not at all. I love Apple products. I just hate how the company acts. Ipod Classic and iPod touch are two of my favorite gadgets ever invented. Terrible comany though, ethics wise.
Its just not software, but the hardware itself, accessories and even packaging.
Come on. You must have a little read comprehension difficulty. Read my original again.
Report me . No need to single me out. I didn't single any one person out nor am I trolling. You are.
for those of you who don't know what the word identical means,
this may help:
i·den·ti·cal [ahy-den-ti-kuhl, ih-den-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
similar or alike in every way: The two cars are identical except for their license plates.
2.
being the very same; selfsame: This is the identical room we stayed in last year.
3.
agreeing exactly: identical opinions.
IF that is what you will use for an arugment it breaks down at the phone (common before Apple used it)
Contacts same as above
Camera is weak at best.
Music again weak at best.
Seems to be the standard agrument used by apple fans is like saying Ford should sure Honda because they both have 4 wheels. I mean Honda could of added another pair of wheels or just gone with 3.
Yes, I agree with you there - thats fair.
While I do agree that the CD icon is a direct copy of the old iTunes logo, the other icons are not. The green phone icon has been used long before the iPhone was even announced. Such examples are Skype 1.0 (released a year before the iPhone), Windows Mobile 2004, etc. As already noted in this thread, Apple eventually only got the trademark after they added a pinstripe effect. Without that, the trademark was rejected.
The Photo icon is quite possibly the most disturbing icon in the case. It's really nothing at all like the the iPhone one. What Apple are effectively saying with that one is that nobody else is allowed to use a flower on the camera icon.
Except that the Apple trademark isnt for a white phone on a green background. It's for a white phone on a green background with stripes. Again, green phone icons have been around long before the iPhone.
I agree here - hopefully when the bickering stops and they get down to the table we'll see a similar 'gentleman's agreement' between Apple and their competitors. The end result will not be that no competitor can use their icons in a set grid, and with certain colors, it'll be a simple case of agreeing to coexist. It's obvious that this lawsuit is all about slowing down Samsung's sales.
By 'ALL phones' I was referring to the select few members of this forum that have a shared beliefe that Android as a collective is designed to be a direct rip off of iOS. As any logical level-minded person will confirm. The only customisation Samsung did (on the S3) was to ship it with a dark background and change the primary hex color to blue (for the top-right signal bars). If anything, Apple should be going after the i5503, which used a slightly different color on it's dock (more akin to earlier iOS versions that used the metal/carbon dock background).
I respect your opinion completely. Obviously Apple has to protect its IP and I'd be doing exactly the same thing. But this lawsuit is more about slowing the competition down than protecting IP.
As for the 3G
I'd like to think so, however as I've said (in my opinion) the lawsuit is more about slowing down the competition than protecting IP.
Maybe. I'm simply implying that I dont conform to the (again, IMO) silly trend of "he's a fanboy" and "he's a fandroid". I'm a happy owner of multiple iPhones and Android handsets. I couldn't care less who makes them, so long as they do their job correctly.Well, I guess in your interpretation, we are all insane. This is by the way a legal term meaning we were not aware of what we were doing while commiting a crime. I think I have competency and capacity. That would be the medical term (competent) and the legal term for being able to understand what I'm doing and what the consequences are.
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The packaging design goes back to the LG Prada's packaging.
Apple copied LG, Samsung copied Apple. You'll probably find there was a similar design before that LG copied too.
It's pretty clear what happened: Samsung's unimaginative executives and designers were so focused on copying Nokia's mid-2000s smartphone design that they were blindsided by Apple having a different idea.
They then correctly concluded this would be the new standard, and quickly maneuvered to copy it as much as they could, knowing their R&D was years behind Apple and that they were about to miss out on a huge market move. They (and others) found a willing partner in Google's Android (which would itself debut looking very different from iPhone OS, but which quickly "caught up").
And they have been flooding the market with clones ever since. Now all Apple has to do is prove they did this...not easy
Bang on, in my opinion!
"I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy."
As a developer, you should care about protected work.
What the hell has the logo got to do with it? I'm talking about the phone icon...you know, this thing that has been in Skype since 2006:
but at the same token as a developer I do not agree with Apple using crapents and abusing software patents that should NEVER of been granted. Software patents hurt innovations. Big time with the crapents Apple uses.
If you go beyond the Apple sites and read more unbiased reports, you'll see that whoever wins or loses, this case isn't pretty for anyone.
Poor ole Susan Kare got absolutely torn up by Samsung's lawyers on cross examination.
Poor ole Susan Kare got absolutely torn up by Samsung's lawyers on cross examination.
Packaging as far as the box the phone/tablet comes in itself. The Prada appears to come in an entirely black box.
Interesting to note - and I am sure all carriers are different. But when I bought my Samsung phone in Feb - it came in a standard ATT box with a photo on the front and the name of the phone. Just like all the other phones that ATT sells from their stores.
samsung could have anticipated the ipad given the tech the iphone was presenting and could have utilized this touch interface in any of their non-phone products. it's common sense really. they waited until the ipad was released to do any tablet stuff too- they could have beaten apple to the punch. they don't 'get' it, they just do exactly what apple does and let them do the thinking and market research. they don't understand why apple does what they do, even at a basic design level, and it shows
As a graphic designer by trade, these icons are blatant ripoffs.
One does not simply go through an entire design process to end up with the exact same color palettes and angles and silhouettes and shapes.
Contrary to popular belief, there are many ways to convey the meaning of these logos, and Samsung chose to mimic very closely, the designs in iOS.
For example, the phone call icon could have had a different type of phone, different form, different orientation, different colors, or not use a phone at all, and have an abstract human face with sound waves coming out, representing a call. There are many ways to approach all of these.
Denying the fact that these were copies is just ignorant.
One does not simply go through an entire design process to end up with the exact same color palettes and angles and silhouettes and shapes.
Contrary to popular belief, there are many ways to convey the meaning of these logos, and Samsung chose to mimic very closely, the designs in iOS.
For example, the phone call icon could have had a different type of phone, different form, different orientation, different colors, or not use a phone at all, and have an abstract human face with sound waves coming out, representing a call. There are many ways to approach all of these.
Denying the fact that these were copies is just ignorant.