http://youtu.be/1v5Ly4rdWm0
To me it looks quite simular in most ways from the usb charger, to the cables to the packaging.
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Samsung's 'Crisis of Design' Memo Enters Patent Trial as Early Apple Designer Testifies on Confusion
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http://youtu.be/1v5Ly4rdWm0
To me it looks quite simular in most ways from the usb charger, to the cables to the packaging.
To me, it's not so much an issue of if Samsung copied Apple, rather that Apple's icons were truly unique to begin with. If their icons were only slight tweaks to what's come before, then Samsung's slight tweaks to Apple's icons are fair game.
A rat's a Rat
Come on, Really?? Look at the interface, the placement of the icons, the interaction...they copied the iphone, it doesn't take a genius to see it. Microsoft has created something unique with Windows 8 Mobile and I applaud them! Samsung ripped off Apple and I hope they pay BIG (Billions) for doing so.
Come on, Really?? Look at the interface, the placement of the icons, the interaction...they copied the iphone, it doesn't take a genius to see it. Microsoft has created something unique with Windows 8 Mobile and I applaud them! Samsung ripped off Apple and I hope they pay BIG (Billions) for doing so.
I don't understand how a former APPLE designer Susan Kare could be used as an expert supposedly neutral witness. Even so, if she picked up a Samsung phone and thought it wa an iPhone she's anything BUT an expert. Jeez.
In case case, if Apple wins this ridiculous lawsuit I will never buy an Apple product again. I really mean that.
Good riddance. I don't think people who buy Apple products want to be associated with your inanity.
Your description doesn't really match the article you're linking to. Or did you not actually read it?
Your assumption is that Samsung wasn't copying before they copied the iPhone. I find that hard to believe.
'crisis of design ' is a common Samsung phrase? So what?
So is 'Holy ******' a common phrase when one has been out smarted.
Meaning is the same.
Details of icons are protected. From wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patent
In the United States, a design patent is a patent granted on the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers (see Fig. 1) and computer icons are examples of objects that are covered by design patents.
Both novel fonts and computer icons can be covered by design patents. Icons are only covered, however, when they are displayed on a computer screen, thus making them part of an article of manufacture with practical utility
As are typesets or fonts:
In October 2009, a $2 million copyright infringement lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court by Font Bureau.[9] They charged NBC, the television network, with neglecting to secure rights of fonts used on The Jay Leno Show and Saturday Night Live.[9] According to the suit, NBC used three of Font Bureau's trademarked fonts in their marketing campaign.[9] They purchased one software license and distributed copies of fonts called, Bureau Grotesque, interstate and Antenna.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces
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yes gj microsoft for making something that isnt selling worth a damn. this is how industry works. this is what apple did they took existing products changed them then sold them. this is what samsung did and what most business does. all the products in your house are just a copy of another existing product with some changes. the only reason this is a problem is because to lots of people the samsung products are better then the apple ones.
Maybe I wasn't clear. Or maybe you missed my point. The branded box that is sold in AT&T stores all look the same no matter which product you're buying. So a ATT is just as guilty for causing customer confusion. That's if you believe packaging ldoes that.
He did say it about Google and Android. But Samsung is using Android, and putting a theme over it to make it look more like iOS.
What doesn't make sense to me is how Fandroids stand and defend Samsung because of their Android phones... But TRYING to make their interface more like iOS to me feels like a betrayal to Android fans than anything.
Plus, Samsung makes WP7 phones too. How many of those are in question with this? (Legitimate question, I have seen none specifically, but I may have missed something)
It's even more obvious when you consider the way Samsung operates (disclosure: I actually used to work for Samsung, although not in electronics).
In Korea there is no great respect for IP. The attitude is more like "copy what you can get away with". For example, there are hundreds of copy shops in Seoul that will do you a bound copy of an expensive textbook for peanuts, and the police just walk right past them as if they aren't there.
It's a cultural difference, amplified by the fact that Samsung is one of the biggest chaebols in Korea and can pretty much do what it wants there without fear of reprisal. Apple doesn't have a government behind it. Samsung does (look at who the President of Korea is: a former Chaebol guy).
This is a more important case than it seems. If Samsung wins, then what's the point of anyone spending time to design something good if unscrupulous Asian manufacturers just rip it off? IMHO all Samsung products found to be infringing should be banned from sale.
What the hell has the logo got to do with it? I'm talking about the phone icon...you know, this thing that has been in Skype since 2006:
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Actually, this Skype icon has been in use since mid 2004 and was the first time Skype changed the icon when it introduced it's, wait for it, "OS X" version. Up until the OS X version of Skype, the phone call icon was a green upside down phone.
The 2004 Skype icon looks identical to what apple ended up trademarking for the iPhone App icon, except apple made theirs square instead of round. So the Skype argument is actually very good, except their icon was within the Skype program to make a call and not the actual Application icon to open Skype, as the iPhones icon is intended to open the Phone Application.
Either way, the color Green has always been used on cell phone buttons with a phone icon for making a call and red buttons with a phone icon to hang up/end a call. So I can see why other companies would make their call button green, just as apple did.
"I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy."
As a developer, you should care about protected work.
I do care about protected work. But I dont care about a company trying to say that another company is directly copying them without some pretty good evidence that they created these unique new concepts that had never before been used.
Apple were only ever issued a trademark on their green phone icon AFTER they amended it to have stripes - it was REJECTED before this as it was considered to be too widely used and universal. Even with the addition of the stripes, it should have been rejected.
On top of this, half the icons that have been put forward really are nothing remotely like Apple's icons, and the ones that are use basic design principle, the same design principle Apple used when they "copied" them.
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Ahh well there you go then - I was under the impression that it was 2006, but I stand corrected - thanks for the correction
AT&T is the carrier, not the manufacturer of the phone. Putting AT&T on the box does not make it "Made by AT&T"
Windows 8 has its niche.
Copying is one thing, identifying a problem and coming up with a better solution is a whole different ball game.
An innovative product doesn't necessarily have to be a complete new and never before seen revelation.
In Apple's case, the iPhone delivered a completely new user experience, even though touch screens were not new, they bought to the public the best quality multi-touch and gesture supported touch screen on the market.
Most touch screen phones offered were cheap plastic screens and pressure based.
Can you name a single phone that allowed you to intuitively pinch to zoom in on content? Or a full fledged browser? albeit without Flash support. GPS maps was barely supported when the iPhone came out, and nowhere as detailed.
They also released the accompanying software, iOS, which completely blew the competition away and offered the closest to a desktop experience as possible, to the mobile phone.
That, is not copy, that is years of research, design, revisions, and refining, to get to the final product.
Have you ever purchased a phone from AT&T?
Apparently not.
AT&T doesn't simply slap at AT&T logo on the box, they repackage all of them in the same ugly orange and white style boxes with a picture of the phone on the front.
This is terrible for the manufacturers from a marketing perspective.
The iPhone is the ONLY exception to this practice.
We'll start with the phone icon. It's a white phone in a green square with faint diagonal lines behind it. Apple couldn't even trademark the icon until they added the faint lines. Basically all it's done is taken the usual symbols and colors used countless times before to denote "use phone", rearranged them a bit, threw some gloss effects in there, and called it a day. Even the leaning of the phone silhouette itself has been used before. Fairly generic overall. It's like Apple claiming invention of the sandwich because of their specific order of the onions, tomatoes, cheese, ham, and bread makes it unique.
Samsung basically took the same generic icon, stripped the diagonal lines, added a glow gradient in place of a gloss, and called it a day.
And the SMS icon? The only thing the two have in common is that they're symbolized with a talk bubble. They look completely different otherwise. Since Apple didn't invent the talk bubble, they can't claim copying.
And what about the notes icon? Both of them look like a legal yellow paper note pad. Things I've been seeing around in offices since I was a kid, seen icons that looked very similar. They're both pretty generic.
The contacts list? The only similarities are the silhouette bust, which I believe has been used to denote the contacts list as early as Windows Mobile.
The music being a little disc and two notes? COMEON! Someone has already shown an icon from as far back as Windows 95 with a similar theme. Yeah, it looks like the iTunes icon. But the iTunes icon looks like every other icon that denotes a media player. It might be drawn a little better, maybe a little more glossy, but...yup...generic.
Could Samsung gone a little farther to differentiate themselves from Apple a little more? Yeah, probably. But they aped from Apple about as much as Apple has aped from everyone else when it comes to icon design.
So you're saying Apple copied their icons from; Photoshop, Windows XP and Skype. So who did Samsung copy? Apple? Or did they just happen to copy Photoshop, Windows XP and Skype as well and it was just one big coincidence they copied the same ones as Apple?
Apple aren't just claiming an icon or two was copied, but that the overall look and feel was copied to the point where you can't tell them apart. You can't break down the overall design in to components and then defend each individual component separately.
The Article said:
The article itself is fairly neutral. It doesn't paint either company in a positive light.
If Apple were "inspired" by previous entries, and didn't deviate much from their inspiration, how can they complain someone else did the same thing to them? YOU COPIED MY COPY YOU COPIER!
Look and feel is a load of BS that's failed Apple in the past, and probably won't help them out much here in these more modern times. It's basically them saying "sure, we've been inspired by plenty of people, and many of the things we've done here have been done before. But when you look at it as a whole, it's all ours".
Sure they can.
You attack each component to weaken the larger argument.
The goal of Samsung's attorneys is to analyze each component one by one and invalidate or make them moot.
Apple is essentially trying to lay claim to a grid of icons that uses color to differentiate them. Kare even eluded to this early on in her testimony.
You know what's really funny? Just last year Microsoft could do no right and plenty of ppl around here would bash them to no end. Now in comes Google, Android, Samsung, etc..... and Microsoft is every ones best friend to the point that ppl are even defending them. Such hypocrisy is just amazing. I have any HTC phone so I use and like Android and I have nothing against the Iphone other than it's too small and limiting for ME. But I also have lots of Macs which I prefer over anything else out there right now even though I do own a desktop PC. I don't know who is right or wrong in this dispute and to be honest I don't care it's all just a lil over the top in this forum but it does help me kill a couple of hours when I'm bored.