Samsung's Galaxy Note 8 Compared to iPhone 8 Dummy

[Appleaker]

Why?
[doublepost=1503713593][/doublepost]Honestly the new iPhone design isn't all that great.

Is it really that hard to figure out why?

A) Because it is likely that there will only be a black front bezel.
B) Because they had the black dummy model, not just silver.
C) They were comparing it to a dark colored Note 8.

The silver dummy model front is likely inaccurate (if the front isn’t black, the notch probably will be on all models), presenting a false image to the viewer, as done by Youtubers like MKBHD. It is anyone’s guess why as the black model is as easily available as silver and gold. Perhaps people like the silver design more. If anyone is wondering why they don’t just get a silver one with a black front, it’s because they don’t make them yet. They won’t until it’s official that all fronts will be black.

 

[Gameboy70]

Funny to see so many complaints about the camera sticking out a bit. Seems we have some that care far far far more about what their phone looks like than how it functions.

I bet these same people put a case on it that sticks out far further than the camera.

If the lens is the device's thickest point, the rest of the back should be level with it, which would allow for more battery and—more importantly—lets the phone lie flush on a table. Instead, every other year Ive mandates engineers to make the phone thinner than the last redesign, and they hit their target by ignoring the camera thickness, allowing marketing to take the phone's thinnest point as the device's stated "thinness"—which is cheating.

So incorporating a better camera versus a flush camera is a false dichotomy; faux thinness is the issue. And no, I don't use a case; I just don't drop my phone.
[doublepost=1503796333][/doublepost]

Its going to get covered up in a case, Who cares?

I don't. The different polls I've seen range between 25% and 35% that don't use a case. It only seems to case owners that "everyone" uses a case because their perception is filtered to see other people's cases for comparison. Naked phones don't register and aren't remembered.

By analogy, only half of adult Americans own a car, but car owners tend to think that "everyone" has a car. Facebook adoption in the US is 75% of internet users, but the prevailing assumption is that "everyone" is on Facebook.

 

[dallas112678]

There is still burn-in, uneven wearing etc. My own preference is LCD. People returning oled tvs really are bad news.

Ummm, the iPhone 8 will be using OLED's from Samsung. Burn in isn't your best argument since that's the case.

Actually, Samsung has a lot of built in features compared to other oled phones to help prevent burn in such as shifting the home button and AOD readouts in addition to letting you hide the navbar which gets rid of most common burn in scenario.

 

[Radon87000]

Ummm, the iPhone 8 will be using OLED's from Samsung. Burn in isn't your best argument since that's the case.

Actually, Samsung has a lot of built in features compared to other oled phones to help prevent burn in such as shifting the home button and AOD readouts in addition to letting you hide the navbar which gets rid of most common burn in scenario.

Don't worry. When Apple uses OLED it will be the best thing ever and there won't be any problems.

 

[travelsheep]

My gosh, both of those are ugly.
I kept my 6S+ because the 7 was not that compelling (though quite attractive) and I could wait for the 8.

6S was the best phone Apple ever produced. Just like the maxed out MacBook Air at its time for Notebooks.

 

[Radon87000]

There is still burn-in, uneven wearing etc. My own preference is LCD. People returning oled tvs really are bad news.

So you think Apple is charging 1k for burn in and uneven wear?

delay of a few months that is. And as for the iphone x edition, nobody really knows.

I cant remember a delay of a few months for anything other than the Airpods.

IMO, you couldn't be more wrong.

I am positive on my predictions. We used to get real iPad upgrades at $499 every year. The iPad 4,the iPad Air and Air 2 were all wonderful upgrades at the same price.Then Apple just stopped updating that price point. The iPad is not an upgrade from the Air 2. A Pro 10.5 is a real upgrade and we have to pay $649 as base from hereon in to get the real upgrades.

Apple is doing the same to the iPhone. The conventional models will occupy the price point similar to the iPad Air and get a CPU bump every now and then. The iPad Pro lineup is complemented by the iPhone 8/Pro which I expect to see a Plus variant next year. So basically,if you want the upgrades on the level of 5s-6,4-4s-5, you gotta pay 1k base amount.

The iPad strategy worked wonders for Apple,so I expect they are trying it out on the iPhone. Apple customers lose in the end though. For the first time ever I am contemplating selling my 7 Plus if I am to able to justify this astronomical 300 dollar price increase. Even after selling the 7 Plus, the iPhone 8 costs the same amount of money to me as a brand new 7 Plus 32GB last year without exchange. Unreal!

Except that color shifting when it's bad the picture is unusable.

What does color shift have to do with cameras?

I trust my eyes, ears and senses more than any review. You can "trust" whomever you want, I buy what is best and back up my opinion with money.

Its not a review. Its a benchmark

Could you back this up with some links to apples website, showing any or all of these (useful?)functions are not on the iphone x edition?

Even if they are there, it still doesn't make the iPhone a better proposition. The S8 (which is a premium model) is almost half the price and the Note 8 is $400 cheaper and both have the same features as iPhone 8. Apple's truly in a league of its own with this price.

 

[NorthSeaBeach]

Jeez that camerabump is really really bad. Come on Apple get your **** together.
[doublepost=1503820981][/doublepost]

The whole phone is “protruded” as it is 1.3mm thicker than the iPhone 7.

Who cares? Get rid of that hideous bump, make it thicker and increase batterylife. And put a minijack in it.

 

[BvizioN]

Protruding camera is getting out of hand Apple, it's ugly as hell.

My god. The camera bump is just getting ridiculous at this point. Apple really needs to move on from that hideous thing.

At least it has no camera ugly bump

I honestly don't know what the big deal is here!! If there are improvements on the camera, then so be it. A bit of thickens that will probably even be unnoticeable when flat on the table? I wouldn't personally give a flying f... And I have a feeling hundreds of millions other wouldn't either (of course the MacRumors nerds are an exception here)

 

[Shanghaichica]

I honestly don't know what the big deal is here!! If there are improvements on the camera, then so be it. A bit of thickens that will probably even be unnoticeable when flat on the table? I wouldn't personally give a flying f... And I have a feeling hundreds of millions other wouldn't either (of course the MacRumors nerds are an exception here)

Not bothered about camera bumps myself. And the dummies do look ugly. My main concerns are the loss of real estate and the ridiculous price.

 

[sos47]

i hope this big iPhone 8 lenses are f1.4 24-50mm

 

[I7guy]

So you think Apple is charging 1k for burn in and uneven wear?

Short answer, yes. Longer answer. Unless the suppliers allegedly manufacturing OLED panels for the alleged iphone x edition have somehow resolved the inherent issues with OLED, you haven't seen picky apple customers returning their phones due to screen defects at this price point, yet.

I cant remember a delay of a few months for anything other than the Airpods.

Seems to be commonplace, every release.

I am positive on my predictions. We used to get real iPad upgrades at $499 every year. The iPad 4,the iPad Air and Air 2 were all wonderful upgrades at the same price.Then Apple just stopped updating that price point. The iPad is not an upgrade from the Air 2. A Pro 10.5 is a real upgrade and we have to pay $649 as base from hereon in to get the real upgrades.

Apple is doing the same to the iPhone. The conventional models will occupy the price point similar to the iPad Air and get a CPU bump every now and then. The iPad Pro lineup is complemented by the iPhone 8/Pro which I expect to see a Plus variant next year. So basically,if you want the upgrades on the level of 5s-6,4-4s-5, you gotta pay 1k base amount.

The iPad strategy worked wonders for Apple,so I expect they are trying it out on the iPhone. Apple customers lose in the end though. For the first time ever I am contemplating selling my 7 Plus if I am to able to justify this astronomical 300 dollar price increase. Even after selling the 7 Plus, the iPhone 8 costs the same amount of money to me as a brand new 7 Plus 32GB last year without exchange. Unreal!

Prices go up every year with consumer items; especially cars. Cars manufactures have what amounts to a minor refresh on some years and then foist a price increase.

Those who want the top of the the line iphone x edition will buy it, those who don't won't. You selling all of your iphones is not a harbinger of what apples customers are generally thinking (which nobody can really know) until December.

However, I can guarantee, they are not going to shortchange any model. Seems like the 7s will have some worthy upgrades for people like me who want to stay lcd, until micro-led technology is widely available.

What does color shift have to do with cameras?

That's what the camera does, not the screen. There are example of this all over the web. (well to be fair, there are examples of everything all over the web, which is why no camera is really better at everything.

Its not a review. Its a benchmark

The nomenclature is not important. What is important is I vote with my dollars as does my family, which is the main point was.

Even if they are there, it still doesn't make the iPhone a better proposition. The S8 (which is a premium model) is almost half the price and the Note 8 is $400 cheaper and both have the same features as iPhone 8. Apple's truly in a league of its own with this price.

As long as this is in your humble opinion. The reason the s8 is half the price is samsung model prices depreciate faster than a stock market crash. However, nobody can know what apple customers will or will not buy until the December earnings call.

 

[fourthtunz]

If the lens is the device's thickest point, the rest of the back should be level with it, which would allow for more battery and—more importantly—lets the phone lie flush on a table. Instead, every other year Ive mandates engineers to make the phone thinner than the last redesign, and they hit their target by ignoring the camera thickness, allowing marketing to take the phone's thinnest point as the device's stated "thinness"—which is cheating.

So incorporating a better camera versus a flush camera is a false dichotomy; faux thinness is the issue. And no, I don't use a case; I just don't drop my phone.
[doublepost=1503796333][/doublepost]
I don't. The different polls I've seen range between 25% and 35% that don't use a case. It only seems to case owners that "everyone" uses a case because their perception is filtered to see other people's cases for comparison. Naked phones don't register and aren't remembered.

By analogy, only half of adult Americans own a car, but car owners tend to think that "everyone" has a car. Facebook adoption in the US is 75% of internet users, but the prevailing assumption is that "everyone" is on Facebook.

Sure different strokes, Maybe I should have said, I use a case I don't care.
But thats just me, I don't care what my phone looks like I just care about how it functions.
That 25-35% number of people who don't use a case probably correlates well with people
that care about how their phone looks and end up with broken/damaged phones.

 

[Technarchy]

and 200 grams...almost 9mm thick, samsung is making backwards just for 6.3" display? come on, if i want a bigger display, over 6" i buy a tablet

I love the display on my S8+. Try it before you knock it. It's 6.2" and feels like you're holding a device that is much smaller. In fact I think it's the best overall phone design by any device maker since the iPhone 4/4S.

Looks like Apple is stealing Samsungs infinity display. I hope they get sued.

Samsung probably made the display.
[doublepost=1503849914][/doublepost]

I honestly don't know what the big deal is here!! If there are improvements on the camera, then so be it. A bit of thickens that will probably even be unnoticeable when flat on the table? I wouldn't personally give a flying f... And I have a feeling hundreds of millions other wouldn't either (of course the MacRumors nerds are an exception here)

It's okay to call the camera protrusion unsightly. Because it actually is. Performance might be great but I doubt it will represent any leap over what Samsung has in the Note 8 or S8.

The iPhone 8 design has character. It's not at graceful as the Note 8 and S8 but it has a strange charm to it I think.

 

[Radon87000]

Short answer, yes. Longer answer. Unless the suppliers allegedly manufacturing OLED panels for the alleged iphone x edition have somehow resolved the inherent issues with OLED, you haven't seen picky apple customers returning their phones due to screen defects at this price point, yet.

A phone costing $1200 better be perfect or Apple's name will be in the mud. No one wants another gate and at 1200 consumers will see red.

Seems to be commonplace, every release.

I got an Phone 7 Plus within a month of release. My iPad Pro 12.9 took 2 weeks. I cant even remember for my iPhone 6 and Air 2 and Pro 9.7 but it wasn't a big delay that much I am certain

Prices go up every year with consumer items; especially cars. Cars manufactures have what amounts to a minor refresh on some years and then foist a price increase.

Cars and phones are not the same thing. I don't replace my car every year. Not to mention every single feature on the iPhone 8 has already been done by competitiors. Whats unique about it other than ios?

Those who want the top of the the line iphone x edition will buy it, those who don't won't. You selling all of your iphones is not a harbinger of what apples customers are generally thinking (which nobody can really know) until December.

We will never know how those iPhone 8's will be sold as Apple wont disclose cold hard numbers apart form the usual boilerplate marketing.

What I do know is that Apple is selling a 64GB phone for the price of what used to be a 256GB model. That's a very big increase and I know Apple is testing the waters on this one. If it goes well like it did for the iPad, it means the evenatuall staganation of the budget lineup

However, I can guarantee, they are not going to shortchange any model. Seems like the 7s will have some worthy upgrades for people like me who want to stay lcd, until micro-led technology is widely available.

What upgrades? Wireless charging needs $100 more. Fast charging needs $100 more. The glass back will be covered by a case. There will be a higher speed RAM and a bumped up CPU. Who cares when my 7 Plus is blazing fast and currently the second fastest phone on the planet. There will be OIS in the second camera of the plus and possibly more MP. Not much of an upgrade

That's what the camera does, not the screen. There are example of this all over the web. (well to be fair, there are examples of everything all over the web, which is why no camera is really better at everything.

The Galaxy demolishes the iPhone in low light while in daylight its got a slight edge. This has been reported by DXomark and other reviewers.

The nomenclature is not important. What is important is I vote with my dollars as does my family, which is the main point was.

Benchmark=Fact. Review= Opinion based on facts

As long as this is in your humble opinion. The reason the s8 is half the price is samsung model prices depreciate faster than a stock market crash. .

Or maybe they are just trying to gain goodwill from customers due to the Note 7. The Note 8 price was a kick below the belt.

 

[I7guy]

A phone costing $1200 better be perfect or Apple's name will be in the mud. No one wants another gate and at 1200 consumers will see red.

Consumers will either see red or *pink*. But are you suggesting the "apple" oled panels are better than Samsungs?

I got an Phone 7 Plus within a month of release. My iPad Pro 12.9 took 2 weeks. I cant even remember for my iPhone 6 and Air 2 and Pro 9.7 but it wasn't a big delay that much I am certain

I know people who got their phones, watches, airpods,etc on launch day. So I'm not sure of what this really says. But a lot of people had to wait and wait for their products.

Cars and phones are not the same thing. I don't replace my car every year. Not to mention every single feature on the iPhone 8 has already been done by competitiors. Whats unique about it other than ios?

The analogy still holds and some people do replace their phones every year, some do not. True about the competition, wifi, cellular chip etc. But apple has a unique way of putting these together that shames the competition; for example touch id or ipid.

We will never know how those iPhone 8's will be sold as Apple wont disclose cold hard numbers apart form the usual boilerplate marketing.

What I do know is that Apple is selling a 64GB phone for the price of what used to be a 256GB model. That's a very big increase and I know Apple is testing the waters on this one. If it goes well like it did for the iPad, it means the evenatuall staganation of the budget lineup

True about how many iphone x edition phones will be sold. And no it doesn't mean the stagnation of the budget lineup. Apple will sell them as long as consumers will buy them.

What upgrades? Wireless charging needs $100 more. Fast charging needs $100 more. The glass back will be covered by a case. There will be a higher speed RAM and a bumped up CPU. Who cares when my 7 Plus is blazing fast and currently the second fastest phone on the planet. There will be OIS in the second camera of the plus and possibly more MP. Not much of an upgrade

It's not an upgrade to you, but to others it's an upgrade, even coming from an iphone 7. It's all individual requirements, not one absolute statement of alternative facts.

The Galaxy demolishes the iPhone in low light while in daylight its got a slight edge. This has been reported by DXomark and other reviewers.

Real world this is just not so. And to use your nomenclature, the iphone 7 "demolishes" the Galaxy in different types of scenes.

Benchmark=Fact. Review= Opinion based on facts

Benchark = anecdotal fact and review = subjective opinion based on facts.

Or maybe they are just trying to gain goodwill from customers due to the Note 7. The Note 8 price was a kick below the belt.

Sure that's a good as any theory.

 

[Tycho24]

Even if they are there, it still doesn't make the iPhone a better proposition. The S8 (which is a premium model) is almost half the price and the Note 8 is $400 cheaper and both have the same features as iPhone 8. Apple's truly in a league of its own with this price.

$900 is $400 less than $1000???
Lol, you’d be fun to play Monopoly with! I like your math...

 

[Technarchy]

Consumers will either see red or *pink*. But are you suggesting the "apple" oled panels are better than Samsung's

There is no such thing as Apple OLED. There's only Samsung OLED or possibly LG.

The only question is what spec and generation of OLED is Apple buying from Samsung and how will it be calibrated.

It's possible Apple developed their own specs and design for OLED and is only using Samsung for fabrication with an exclusivity lock on capacity and inventory.

Guess we will see.

 

[KanosWRX]

Thank God the iPhone doesn't have the dumb ass curved edges!! That's all I have to say

 

[Chair-Sama]

Would you say the same thing for the iPhone 8's protruding camera notch that so many people are complaining about?

i dont know about them, but me? yea.

can not tell you how many people i see daily that come into the apple store, or call in, and rage over their phone being broken, and then when asked if they had a case on it(because a lot of the current Phone case manufacturers offer warranties and will even pay to have the phone fixed if it broke in a case) they almost ALWAYS reply with:
"no i dont use a case, it makes the phone look ugly"
OR
"no, I didn't want to spend the extra 50$ on the case, i never break my phone"

yet its ironic that:
1. the case looks a lot less "ugly" then a shattered screen
and
2. the 50$ for the case cost a lot less then the 129/149 for a basic screen repair(even less then the 79/99$ repairs from knock off 3rd parties that void your warranties)

 

[fairuz]

Aren't high-end Samsung smartphones usually decent-looking? This one looks like some ugly 2005 concept.

 

[freezelighter]

Protruding camera is getting out of hand Apple, it's ugly as hell.

YES

 

[juannacho]

If, as people are saying here, most people buy cases for the super thin phones with protruding cameras, what's the aesthetic reasoning behind the thinness?

Exactly. I hate having to use a case on my 6 Plus. The reason I do is mainly because it’s stupidly slippery, but also because of the camera poking out. It’s just not an acceptable solution, and moreover for a company obsessed with aesthetics it looks really bad. I can’t believe Ive is genuinely happy with this arrangement...

 

[McTool]

There is a difference between bezelless and smaller bezels. Samsung was first to do bezelless.

Keep repeating it’s bezelles doesn’t make it bezelless.
Again, it’s not bezelless.

 

[Radon87000]

Consumers will either see red or *pink*. But are you suggesting the "apple" oled panels are better than Samsungs?

At 1200 it must be the best in everything. It's using Samsung Oled so there shouldn't be any issues. Certainly not as much as yellow tint and dead pixels.

I know people who got their phones, watches, airpods,etc on launch day. So I'm not sure of what this really says. But a lot of people had to wait and wait for their products.

I don't understand where this shortage moaning comes from. Some colours are not in stock and people may have to wait some months for that but the product itself has always been available

The analogy still holds and some people do replace their phones every year, some do not. True about the competition, wifi, cellular chip etc. But apple has a unique way of putting these together that shames the competition; for example touch id or ipid.

The Samsung galaxy s8 has destroyed every single,one of Apple's,designs. The iPhone 8mis a reaction to the s8. Please stop living the past with the old Samsung and old Apple.

True about how many iphone x edition phones will be sold. And no it doesn't mean the stagnation of the budget lineup. Apple will sell them as long as consumers will buy them.

It means exactly that. Is there an upgrade for the $499 price point with respect to iPad Air 2 which we used to get for years? There you are. The iPhone pro is now the cool kid on the block.

It's not an upgrade to you, but to others it's an upgrade, even coming from an iphone 7. It's all individual requirements, not one absolute statement of alternative facts.

I am pointing out facts

No one wants their phone to shatter due to a glass back so a case is given. A CPU upgrade and ram upgrade isn't enough because the phone is already fast. That all?

Real world this is just not so. And to use your nomenclature, the iphone 7 "demolishes" the Galaxy in different types of scenes.

Can you show me a single comprehensive review which proves the iPhone 7nhaving a better camera?
[doublepost=1503916629][/doublepost]

$900 is $400 less than $1000???
Lol, you’d be fun to play Monopoly with! I like your math...

Yes $900 is $400 less than $1000. That Note 8 has expandable storage so it should be compared to the 256gb iPhone 8 which costs 400 more.

 

[Kiimora]

Wow...MR brace yourselves for when the "dung 8" will be compared to the real 8