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Apr 12, 2001

Israeli startup Mantis Vision is reportedly working with camera module firm Namuga to develop 3D sensing camera solutions for Samsung's tentatively named Galaxy S10, according to Korean news outlet The Bell.


The technology would pave the way for Samsung to implement a 3D facial recognition system on the Galaxy S10, similar to Face ID on the iPhone X. The new Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9 Plus, which officially launch tomorrow, still rely on a less secure 2D facial recognition system paired with an iris scanner.

Last year, videos surfaced that showed the same 2D solution on the Galaxy S8 could be unlocked by waving a photo of the registered user's face in front of the camera. Samsung even confirmed that its facial recognition solution cannot be used to authenticate access to Samsung Pay or its Secure Folder feature.

By comparison, Face ID uses a structured-light technique that projects a pattern of 30,000 laser dots onto a user's face and measures the distortion to generate an accurate 3D image for authentication. Face ID has been duped with sophisticated masks, but not with a simple photo of a person.

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo recently opined that it would take Android smartphone makers up to two and a half years to catch up with Face ID. Apple released the iPhone X last November, while the Galaxy S10 will likely be released around March or April of 2019, a roughly one-and-a-half year span.

It's a given that Samsung will catch up with Face ID at some point, but it remains to be seen if its 3D facial recognition system can match the iPhone X's user experience. Around this time next year, we should find out.

Article Link: Samsung's Galaxy S10 Rumored to Feature 3D Facial Recognition Like Face ID on iPhone X
God I hate Samsung. Why is no other company pushing to innovate besides Apple? True competition is needed for everyone to benefit.

A lot of Apple's "innovation" originated on smart phones by Samsung. Some were there for years before Apple "innovated" them. Samsung certainly copies Apple too (no doubt about that at all) but let's not pretend that only Apple innovates. A simple review of history can show who had what (Apple) innovation first.

Or, most simply, think about what it means when we so very often sling around: "Apple is rarely first, but they wait and get it right." The second part- when true- is certainly great. But the first part implies our collective acknowledgement that Apple is often merely building on the not-quite-perfect-but-earlier innovations of others.
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macrumors 6502a
Mar 2, 2006
So what are all these memes I keep seeing claiming Android has had face recognition 'for years' all about then?

Android has had facial recognition for a while, before Face ID came along, another form of facial recognition.

Face ID is just a much better implementation, and iteration, of facial recognition on mobile devices. Which is typical, and classic Apple, to generally do things better.

No one mention Siri...


Jul 18, 2011
Yes but who’s going to be first at getting all this tech under the screen?
What if Apple doubles down on the notch instead of doing away with it? They never did get rid of the camera bump either, choosing instead to make it even more prominent with dual-cameras. Seems like bit by bit, people are coming round to the idea of the notch being an acceptable compromise to a bezel-less form factor.
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macrumors 6502a
Sep 10, 2015
It would be funny if Samsung needed a notch to support this, especially after bragging in their keynote that the S9 doesn’t have one (which is a good thing as I still dislike notches), but I’m pretty sure they already have a patent for a notch of some kind. By the time the S10 rolls around though, according to the rumours, the iPhone will be getting rid of theirs which would be hilarious now that most Android phones are starting to “copy” the notch.
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