Samsung's Galaxy S10 Rumored to Feature 3D Facial Recognition Like Face ID on iPhone X

[panangi]

No one said they don't my friend. Their support is awesome . The point I was replying to stated Samsung dont support devices after 2 years. Which is most definitely incorrect...

I agree. Unrelated to the claim to which you replied, I do have one gripe with regards to Samsung's support. They don't have stores that one could walk into and have their phone checked in if in case of a hardware issue. Samsung is heavily reliant on their carrier partners for that or users have to mail their phone in.

I might be wrong in terms of their latest offering. But on a couple of occasions in the last 6 years that I've been using iPhones and needed some help, folks at Apple Store were amazing to help me out in any way they could. They ensured I walked out of the store content that my issue was taken care of.

If Samsung can ramp up their after sales services to a comparable level atleast, I'm sure it would definitely help boost their sales plentifold.

 

[timi]

Israeli startup Mantis Vision is reportedly working with camera module firm Namuga to develop 3D sensing camera solutions for Samsung's tentatively named Galaxy S10, according to Korean news outlet The Bell.

The technology would pave the way for Samsung to implement a 3D facial recognition system on the Galaxy S10, similar to Face ID on the iPhone X. The new Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9 Plus, which officially launch tomorrow, still rely on a less secure 2D facial recognition system paired with an iris scanner.

Last year, videos surfaced that showed the same 2D solution on the Galaxy S8 could be unlocked by waving a photo of the registered user's face in front of the camera. Samsung even confirmed that its facial recognition solution cannot be used to authenticate access to Samsung Pay or its Secure Folder feature.

By comparison, Face ID uses a structured-light technique that projects a pattern of 30,000 laser dots onto a user's face and measures the distortion to generate an accurate 3D image for authentication. Face ID has been duped with sophisticated masks, but not with a simple photo of a person.

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo recently opined that it would take Android smartphone makers up to two and a half years to catch up with Face ID. Apple released the iPhone X last November, while the Galaxy S10 will likely be released around March or April of 2019, a roughly one-and-a-half year span.

It's a given that Samsung will catch up with Face ID at some point, but it remains to be seen if its 3D facial recognition system can match the iPhone X's user experience. Around this time next year, we should find out.

Article Link: Samsung's Galaxy S10 Rumored to Feature 3D Facial Recognition Like Face ID on iPhone X

[doublepost=1521149530][/doublepost]I love the fact that when it said it will take android 2 and a half years to make face id and yet Huawei made a face id version with 300,000 points and unlocks the phone in 0.4 seconds in December on the view 10. I honestly don't care about face id since I prefer in-display fingerprint scanner coming on S10 which is rumoured to cover the full display so app authentication can happen with a single touch of the app, so when you touch it, it opens the app and doesn't open it when someone taps it or brings up a different screen. Heavily improves security. face id is too slow for me and doesn't work in all conditions especially in bright light which will annoy the crap out of me and you have to move your head up when just wanting to unlock your phone when your in you pillow which pisses me off. Let alone the S9 has better stereo speakers than iPhone X and still has a headphone jack. Bluetooth and truly wireless headphones aren't ready yet to replace iPhone X. I don't care what people say about Samsung copying apple's face id since apple copy a lot of android in the OS department and are lacking so much in features. Updating every weak or 2 gets annoying and they're new versions of IOS is getting too buggy nowadays. That's why I am sticking with Samsung, the S6 is getting Oreo update so I don't mind. The S10 will be bezel-less as well and may have a graphene battery so Rip apple. Not to mention siri sucks ass compared to bixby and they are now doing what Apple is doing with customer services and repairs

 

[andreyush]

As always. Apple sets the standards.

 

[Jsameds]

Ive an old nexus 7 tablet from years ago that had face unlock. Wasn' bothered about it then, aint bothered about it now..
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In the reams of fairness, this is false. My mother has a s6, which is a 2015 model, its just received the Feb 2018 security update. Please don' believe propaganda rubbish...

Security update yeah, OS update nah.

 

[Klyster]

C'mon people, everyone knows innovation means acquiring a system using oodles of cash and shoehorning it into an ugly (imo) notch.
Creating something from scratch isn't innovation!

Yeah, Apple's purchased solution is better than Samsung's, but Samsung still has a faster and more secure fingerprint scanner.

I like that my phone is unlocked before it leaves my pocket, no swiping needed.

 

[szw-mapple fan]

They are doing the same thing they did when touchID was introduced. In the Galaxy s5 they hastily shipped a terrible swipe fingerprint sensor before putting in the modern version in the s6.

 

[heikkipekka]

Who made that mock-up pic? The third guy definitely is not holding the phone himself.

A real-life situation, I guess, a theft holding a photo of the actual owner as to trick the Samsung Face ID.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

No.

The App Store revenues are 2X those of the Google Play Store, even though the Google Play Store has about 2X the number of downloads.

So no, the Android App DOES NOT make more money.

You could not be more wrong; Android makes more money. get over yourself. Boo Hoo.

https://www.digi-capital.com/news/2015/04/android-makes-more-money-than-ios-including-china/

 

[The Game 161]

C'mon people, everyone knows innovation means acquiring a system using oodles of cash and shoehorning it into an ugly (imo) notch.
Creating something from scratch isn't innovation!

Yeah, Apple's purchased solution is better than Samsung's, but Samsung still has a faster and more secure fingerprint scanner.

I like that my phone is unlocked before it leaves my pocket, no swiping needed.

Each to their own

I would rather see what’s on my lock screen before unlocking.

 

[janearmante]

“Or you could get on your knees and thank Samsung for making iPhone components; could someone else do it? maybe, could Apple themselves do it? again maybe. But they don't and Samsung does.”

WTF!!! Samsung should be the one thanking Apple. Samsung actually earns more profit from the components it supplies to Apple than from their own phones. You should be thankful that Apple still trusts Samsung as a major supplier even amidst Samsung’s shameless copying.

If Samsung stops making components for Apple, it’s their lost not Apple. And for the record, Samsung is just the manufacturer. Apple designs and calibrates their own components.

 

[Klyster]

Each to their own

I would rather see what’s on my lock screen before unlocking.

I don't care whats on my lock screen when I want to use my phone, but yeah, each to their own..

 

[janearmante]

You are totally right. facial recognition totally didn't exist before ipx. Nobody bloody knew about it.

So, 3D Facial Recognition (with dot projector, flood illuminator, etc) was already present in a mass-produced phone prior to iPhoneX?

 

[selfsilent]

Over at Samsung,
Apple just did something amazing, get it copied.

Over at Apple,
Samsung pumped out a load of poorly executed ideas, 1 of the 20 ideas has merit but needs a hell of a lot of a redesign, polishing and thought so it actually works well. Let’s look into it.

 

[chagla]

So, 3D Facial Recognition (with dot projector, flood illuminator, etc) was already present in a mass-produced phone prior to iPhoneX?

no buddy. facial and other bio-metric authentication existed long before apple phone. while innards and technologies behind it changed and improved over time, the concept is still same. sure, apple took it to next level and made it more sophisticated but didn't really come up the idea of facial recognition.

 

[I7guy]

You could not be more wrong; Android makes more money. get over yourself. Boo Hoo.

https://www.digi-capital.com/news/2015/04/android-makes-more-money-than-ios-including-china/

Three year old article. I’d say things may have changed.

 

[macsrcool1234]

You never actually used FaceID, right?

Perfect angle? It sounds like you're one of those people who don't own the X and probably spent 5 minutes with it in a store.

5 seconds into my post history would say otherwise. But I guess that is beyond either of you.

That was easy. Who's next?

 

[deanthedev]

You could not be more wrong; Android makes more money. get over yourself. Boo Hoo.

https://www.digi-capital.com/news/2015/04/android-makes-more-money-than-ios-including-china/

I’m comparing The App Store to Google Play. I even mentioned that comparison multiple times in this thread. So why are you a) bringing up an article from 2015 and b) including 3rd party App stores?

https://sensortower.com/blog/app-revenue-and-downloads-2017

Exactly what I said. The App Store has about half the downloads as Google Play and around twice the revenue. Making each iOS user about 4X as valuable.

3rd party stores aren’t part of the Android ecosystem as they typically run a custom forked version of Android. Developers rarely cross over from these stores to Google Play or vice versa. They might as well be running a completely different proprietary OS.

 

[Abazigal]

no buddy. facial and other bio-metric authentication existed long before apple phone. while innards and technologies behind it changed and improved over time, the concept is still same. sure, apple took it to next level and made it more sophisticated but didn't really come up the idea of facial recognition.

I think this statement is extremely disingenuous and trivialises what Apple has done here.

Yes, on paper, they all do the same thing. But then you realise that Apple has essentially crammed a miniature Kinect into their phones, which makes it capable of far more than just face recognition. There is potential to include support for controlling your phone via gestures and hand movements in the future.

If a company thinks "Oh, it's all just face scanning" and sticks with their existing implementation thereof, they are going to be in for a rude shock when Apple starts utilising the hardware for more than just that and they find themselves hopelessly behind in terms of technology.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

I’m comparing The App Store to Google Play. I even mentioned that comparison multiple times in this thread. So why are you a) bringing up an article from 2015 and b) including 3rd party App stores?

https://sensortower.com/blog/app-revenue-and-downloads-2017

Exactly what I said. The App Store has about half the downloads as Google Play and around twice the revenue. Making each iOS user about 4X as valuable.

3rd party stores aren’t part of the Android ecosystem as they typically run a custom forked version of Android. Developers rarely cross over from these stores to Google Play or vice versa. They might as well be running a completely different proprietary OS.

I've a feeling the only reason you don't include them is because it's the only way your argument can be true. "Let's turn a blind eye to "3rd party App stores" then what I say is true."

BTW I never said each user of iOS is wasn't more valuable but guess what when each iOS user is good for a thousand bucks each it doesn't matter when they're only less than 10% market share and falling.
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Three year old article. I’d say things may have changed.

Show me one that favours iOS tough-guy.

 

[I7guy]

I've a feeling the only reason you don't include them is because it's the only way your argument can be true. "Let's turn a blind eye to "3rd party App stores" then what I say is true."

BTW I never said each user of iOS is wasn't more valuable but guess what when each iOS user is good for a thousand bucks each it doesn't matter when they're only less than 10% market share and falling.
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Show me one that favours iOS tough-guy.

When an answer isn’t forthcoming ad-Homs reign supreme.

 

[deanthedev]

I've a feeling the only reason you don't include them is because it's the only way your argument can be true. "Let's turn a blind eye to "3rd party App stores" then what I say is true."

BTW I never said each user of iOS is wasn't more valuable but guess what when each iOS user is good for a thousand bucks each it doesn't matter when they're only less than 10% market share and falling.
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Show me one that favours iOS tough-guy.

Nothing like throwing insults around. Real classy.

Not turning a blind eye at all. Just proving you wrong about your incorrect claim that developers go where the market share is. They don't. Which is why iOS has the superior App Store with numerous high-end Apps that aren't available in Google Play (and would never be available on Baidu, Tencent or other 3rd party stores which only concern themselves with entertainment, social and shopping).

It's funny how Android fans like to pick and choose numbers.

• Want to talk about malware and how the numbers are dropping? Only look at malware in Google Play Store and ignore 3rd party App stores.
• Want to talk about market share? Include Google Android along with as many Android forks as you can just to pad your numbers to make Android look better.

Just the typical Android hypocrisy.

 

[mi7chy]

So, 3D Facial Recognition (with dot projector, flood illuminator, etc) was already present in a mass-produced phone prior to iPhoneX?

Face ID is just old Microsoft Kinect technology that Microsoft dumped.

Iris scanning came out before Face ID and also uses infrared scanning but with much better precision. I'm guessing Samsung are probably going to extend it to scan other minute facial features which should be immune to Fail ID.

 

[cansuds]

Samsung is a more innovative company. it was Apple, now Apple copies what Samsung does. I think this feature will be on the iPhone XL

 

[janearmante]

no buddy. facial and other bio-metric authentication existed long before apple phone. while innards and technologies behind it changed and improved over time, the concept is still same. sure, apple took it to next level and made it more sophisticated but didn't really come up the idea of facial recognition.

Yes buddy. We are talking about 3D Facial Rec here, not some prior form with lesser security.

Nobody is saying that Apple was the first to come up with facial rec whatsoever. But when Apple does implement something, the followers follow.
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Face ID is just old Microsoft Kinect technology that Microsoft dumped.

Iris scanning came out before Face ID and also uses infrared scanning but with much better precision. I'm guessing Samsung are probably going to extend it to scan other minute facial features which should be immune to Fail ID.

You didn’t answer my question. So, Face ID (with dot projector, flood illuminator, etc) was already present in a mass-produced phone prior to iPhoneX?

Iris scanning is mehhhh!! Even with your assumed better precision, it is just another unlocking option in S9 simply because it won’t suffice as the ultimate security tool. It’s not that user friendly as the scanner should be aimed directly at your iris at a limited range. It’s inconvenient at best, hence, the presence of back ups like face scan and fingerprint scan.

With Face ID, I can unlock my iPhone at different angles and make purchases. With Face ID, my phone’s screen won’t dim down and auto-lock when reading long notes since it knows that I’m looking at it. With Face ID, details of my notifications won’t appear until I look at the phone. With Face ID, when someone’s calling, my phone’s volume automatically dies down the moment I look at it. Same is true with my daily alarm. With Face ID, I can make Animojis. With Face ID, I can choose which eyeglasses suits me best. And what not?

Again, we are talking about 3D Facial Rec here, not some prior form of lesser functionality and security. So whether you like it or not, when Apple does implement something, the followers follow. Good luck on your S10!

 

[WatchFromAfar]

Nothing like throwing insults around. Real classy.

Not turning a blind eye at all. Just proving you wrong about your incorrect claim that developers go where the market share is. They don't. Which is why iOS has the superior App Store with numerous high-end Apps that aren't available in Google Play (and would never be available on Baidu, Tencent or other 3rd party stores which only concern themselves with entertainment, social and shopping).

It's funny how Android fans like to pick and choose numbers.

• Want to talk about malware and how the numbers are dropping? Only look at malware in Google Play Store and ignore 3rd party App stores.
• Want to talk about market share? Include Google Android along with as many Android forks as you can just to pad your numbers to make Android look better.

Just the typical Android hypocrisy.

"Want to talk about market share? Include Google Android along with as many Android forks as you can just to pad your numbers to make Android look better."

I'm sorry these are real things. You can't discount them because they make your numbers look bad.