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Isn't Apple still being sued by the Japanese company that owns the Animoji trademark? Samsung would be foolish to copy a company already accused of copying the original copyrighted idea.

I thought the name “Animoji” was what mattered, not the feature
 
Wait a minute, apple didn't create this. Apple copied this from what was already being done in the MOVIE industry. Apple was just the first to add it to a phone.
Nobody is saying Apple invented facial recognition... this is a very specific use for it, animating an emoji character.
 
I hope one day that Apple give us iOS Pro, basically iOS 6 with the last releases crap removed. The AR stuff on the X looks nice but I can wait 2 years for it to be mainstream, much like I can wait another 2 years to upgrade my HD TV :)
 
Whats funny is that MSN Messenger and BB have probably went their whole product lifetime never upgrading the smilies or emojis as they call them today. No one paid so much attention to smilies except for Apple and I don't know why.

Google flaming/mocking Apple about iP7's AUX removal -> 1 yr later do it the same

‍:facepalm:

to be honest, it seemed like a bad idea at start, but given the AUX->lightening connector dongle and the success of the wireless earpods, it really has worked out well without the AUX.
 
Hey samsung, suggested name: "Copiji"
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Whats funny is that MSN Messenger and BB have probably went their whole product lifetime never upgrading the smilies or emojis as they call them today. No one paid so much attention to smilies except for Apple and I don't know why.



to be honest, it seemed like a bad idea at start, but given the AUX->lightening connector dongle and the success of the wireless earpods, it really has worked out well without the AUX.
or in other words, google didnt have the foresight to introduce it before apple or even accept that its a good idea when it came out.
 
Says a lot about the status quo of smartphones in 2017/18, if one of the two major smartphone producers thinks it has to promote animojis as one of the stand out features of its flagship phone and then the other one quickly follows in thinking it has to copy it. Yes, more and better poop animojis please ... :rolleyes:
 
I usually don’t mind copying at all. If it’s good, I HOPE a company copy’s it. But this? No thanks.
 
We really are scraping the barrel when something as irrelevant as animoji is being ripped off. I guess phone makers are all out of ideas.
 
This is why I skipped the 2017 iPhones.
Umm, what can I say, 'good riddance' comes to mind.

I guess phone makers are all out of ideas.
You probably missed the memo. Let me break it to you, it's called flattening of innovation/feature expansion curve. The PC curve has been completely flat for years and smartphones are flattening out as well.
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Apple didn't create the technology for facial recognition, they paid for that too. What Apple did , was applied it to emoji's, now called Animoji. This technology also, already exists in the MOVIE industry, did Apple pay for that, maybe, probably, who knows.

It's easy to simplify something like that down to make an argument in a public forum, but the fact is that once Apple acquired the basic 3D technology, they improved upon it, scaled down the technology to fit inside a phone, build in hardware support, built in software support (via APIs), and delivered a working product to consumers. They did not buy a finished product.
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Hasn't for Apple. Settle & quietly sweep under the carpet. Both companies are quite similiar... & sketchy.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/20...emonster-weird-lawsuit-trademark-infringement

I fail to see how Apple is "sketchy" in this context. EMONSTER is not a valid, registered company. Apple states that multiple times throughout their application for cancellation of the trademark. Seems pretty simple to me.
 
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U mean like the Samsung AMOLED displays now being used on iPhone X?
Samsung deserves props for what?!? Going in a snarfing up a bunch of AMOLED patents, conducting fake "research" and creating even MORE fake patents in the OLED field, then creating products that have the EXACT SAME DEFECTS as OLED has had for YEARS?

Innovation, ho!
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Yes, but, this article and probably in the other articles about the fingerprint scanner, mobile payment system, etc, is/was that Samsung is "Copying Apple", in a since that "APPLE" created it and all Samsung or anyone else is doing is copying. I am just wondering, what product has apple released that they truly created, truly invented, that is changing the industry in recent years? Everything they do as well, is a copy from already existing technology. I will agree, they make it better, from the aspect of putting it on a phone or in a watch, etc. Waiting for the innovation to return to Apple. I like their products, I use their products, just waiting for the innovation to show up that has been missing for a while now.
Everything is a copy of the wheel.

News at 11.
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How the iphone is made ..... Samsung DRAM, Samsung NAND, Samsung Display ...... , Samsung processor (manufacture) ....
Samsung hasn't made Apple SoCs for quite a while now. And Apple has been trying not to use Samsung sources for other components, too. But unfortunately, Samsung holds pretty much all the Patents in AMOLED technology; so they are essentially the only game in town if you want an AMOLED display in your product.

And in derogation of your snide remarks about sourcing ICs from Samsung, the ONLY thing in the iPhone X that is Samsung is that display:

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+X+Teardown/98975


Oh, and BTW, that Samsung AMOLED display just HAPPENS to have an APPLE controller of some kind on it.

So, I would say, part-for-part, Samsung has FAR less presence in the iPhone X than I would bet ANY other Smartphone on the planet.
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As if Apple have never copied anything. Give me a break.
Sure Apple has copied SOME things; but Samsung copies EVERYthing.

There's a difference.
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I think at this point all the smartphone manufacturers should realize that the Android and iPhone user base is settled. People are already deep into one of these ecosystems and will not change no matter how much incremental changes they bring upon or copy each other. Until something revolutionary happen, we will continue to see this catching up games.

I would agree that Apple was revolutionary. With Tim Cook at the helm, I don't think anything revolutionary will come out of Apple. May be I am wrong. Plus I don't give much weight to Jony Ivy. He himself can't do much unless he has company of a person like Steve Jobs! May be I am wrong.
You may disagree; but IMHO, the HomePod is a pretty revolutionary product. They have some quite-not-typical (but still, existing) technology brought together in a unique way. What else is the definition of "innovation"? Afterall, the iPhone brought together a lot of existing technologies; but did so in a unique way.
But at this point, if you're not creating a Star Trek transporter or Faster Than Light travel, it's pretty damned hard to honestly put the label "revolutionary" on a "tech" product.
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Is such a useless gimmick feature really worth spending R&D money to copy? Must they include it just because Apple has it? I don't think someone who is looking to get a new Samsung phone gives a rats furry crack about it having such a stupid feature.
It may seem like a stupid feature to you; but you forget that Samsung is a KOREAN company. And, not to be racist; but it SURE seems that cultures from that part of the globe (Japan, China, S. Korea, Etc.) SURE do seem to like a LOT of things that a lot of "Westerners" find "silly".

Animoji fits RIGHT into that profile. I'll bet they passed that iPhone X around in the Samsung boardroom for a solid HOUR, playing with the Animoji! Everything about it is PERFECT for them!

As I said, that is NOT intended as a "slight", nor a "racist" observation. It's just TRUE.
 
Apple pretty much (*) copied Snapchat's filters for Animoji's. You know, those stupid cartoon masks that use AR to put cats whiskers/bunny ears/horses arse/etc on you face.


* yes Apple's version is more advanced....
MUCH more advanced.
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Animoji isn't an Apple invention. Logitech has had avatars in video calls and instant messaging since at least 2005. Intel had "Pocket Avatars" mobile apps in 2014. Anyone saying Samsung is copying Apple also needs to recognize Apple copied other companies' tech and integrated it into iOS. Apple simply broke down the walled garden and allowed avatars in their own messaging app instead of requiring users to launch a separate program. Apple didn't create Animoji, it just made them convenient to use.
So, the Logitech and Intel "Avatars" had built-in Mo-Cap?

I think not.
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Imitation is the highest form of flattery...nuff said.
You mean: "Imitation is the flattest form of insincerity." Right?
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Good to even out the things Apple took from Samsung like:
- Big Screen
- Screen Mirroring
- Wireless Charging
- Smartwatches
- Picture in picture
- Amoled Screen
- Apple Pencil
- Wireless Earbuds
- NFC

I could go on...

I'm sure Samsung will be smarter than Apple with "Animoji" to atleast add it to the Camera which already has a similar feature before Apple introduced "Animoji" called "Stickers", than inside the Message App locked to a 10 seconds recording.

And let's just see what Samsung copied from Apple...

Oh right. Here it is!

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/17/technology/apple-samsung/index.html

I rest my case.
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EXACTLY! (the same one's Samsung's been using on its Galaxy S phones for a few years now)
Because they sucked-up all the patents on the technology about 11 years ago, then PRETENDED to "innovate".

Funny that their "Advanced" AMOLEDS STILL have ALL the same lifespan and burn-in issues that plagued the OLED/AMOLED industry back in 2007...
 
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sorry that is truly a stupid comparisment.


You might not understand what innovation means. Invention is not equal to innovation. The latter is when (in this case) technology or a combination of technologies is applied to a product or a service that creates something new like an experience or a product. The source of the technology, or the creator of it you are referring to, has nothing to do with it. Apple's specialty is (or used to bee that can be discussed) customer experience. You can't deny it innovates on that aspect concerning the success of their MacBooks for example or phones, Apple Music, and the list continues...

The distinction between invention and innovation can become a thin line when combining existing technologies can lead to inventions to make that happen. It is true that patents are the guardian of intellectual capital to prevent that everyone use these inventions as a glue for their innovation. Apple has had multiple collisions in that, mostly they respond by developing their own new standards.

I think I perfectly understand what the word ‘innovative’ means, and you can ‘invent’ somthing that’s ‘innovative’.
 
It's easy to simplify something like that down to make an argument in a public forum, but the fact is that once Apple acquired the basic 3D technology, they improved upon it, scaled down the technology to fit inside a phone, build in hardware support, built in software support (via APIs), and delivered a working product to consumers. They did not buy a finished product.

So, let me get this straight, based on your statements, that since APPLE acquired the basic 3D technology, they improved upon it? Where are you getting these facts from (I did no research on this, so I don't if was basic technology or if it was at a more advanced stage than BASIC)? I have seen, as I am sure you have as well, seen plenty of HOLLYWOOD movies that have used this said technology for years. Did Apple scale it down to a phone, do you know that for a fact or is it all speculation because apple put it in the iPhone X? Also, are you implying, that Samsung, in the process of COPYING APPLE, that they did not purchasing and/or improve (as you said) upon the technology that already exists to put it in their phones? So what if Samsung puts it in their phones. My point was, it was being made out that APPLE INVENTED AMIMOJIs. The only thing they did was invent the name.

Dude, I understand your point, but really, all this over animated cartoon characters that follow ones facial movements is really this big of a deal? And it's news here because Samsung may be doing the same with their next phone? Who cares? Really, if it were not for Both companies copying each other, there are a lot of things both companies would be missing out on a PHONE, (Touch ID, wireless charging, OLED screens, 3D facial recognition, etc).

As for the 3d facial mapping, this is awesome technology and it's great that it is now in a handheld device. Just can't wait to see how Apple and/or Samsung and/or any other company implements it going forward.
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Everything is a copy of the wheel.

News at 11.

Yep, could not agree more.
 
Samsung deserves props for what?!? Going in a snarfing up a bunch of AMOLED patents, conducting fake "research" and creating even MORE fake patents in the OLED field, then creating products that have the EXACT SAME DEFECTS as OLED has had for YEARS?

Innovation, ho!
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Everything is a copy of the wheel.

News at 11.
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Samsung hasn't made Apple SoCs for quite a while now. And Apple has been trying not to use Samsung sources for other components, too. But unfortunately, Samsung holds pretty much all the Patents in AMOLED technology; so they are essentially the only game in town if you want an AMOLED display in your product.

And in derogation of your snide remarks about sourcing ICs from Samsung, the ONLY thing in the iPhone X that is Samsung is that display:

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+X+Teardown/98975


Oh, and BTW, that Samsung AMOLED display just HAPPENS to have an APPLE controller of some kind on it.

So, I would say, part-for-part, Samsung has FAR less presence in the iPhone X than I would bet ANY other Smartphone on the planet.
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Sure Apple has copied SOME things; but Samsung copies EVERYthing.

There's a difference.
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You may disagree; but IMHO, the HomePod is a pretty revolutionary product. They have some quite-not-typical (but still, existing) technology brought together in a unique way. What else is the definition of "innovation"? Afterall, the iPhone brought together a lot of existing technologies; but did so in a unique way.
But at this point, if you're not creating a Star Trek transporter or Faster Than Light travel, it's pretty damned hard to honestly put the label "revolutionary" on a "tech" product.
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It may seem like a stupid feature to you; but you forget that Samsung is a KOREAN company. And, not to be racist; but it SURE seems that cultures from that part of the globe (Japan, China, S. Korea, Etc.) SURE do seem to like a LOT of things that a lot of "Westerners" find "silly".

Animoji fits RIGHT into that profile. I'll bet they passed that iPhone X around in the Samsung boardroom for a solid HOUR, playing with the Animoji! Everything about it is PERFECT for them!

As I said, that is NOT intended as a "slight", nor a "racist" observation. It's just TRUE.

LG makes amoled screens and they are not as bright nor have close to the same color accuracy and have way worse image burning and rentention.

Apple picked Samsung amoled because they are simply the best screens you can buy .
 
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LG makes amoled screens and they are not as bright nor have close to the same color accuracy and have way worse image burning and rentention.

Apple picked Samsung amoled because they are simply the best screens you can buy .
They may be the best AMOLED screens; but in the last decade, Samsung really hasn't fixed the underlying problems with OLED displays in general; so I am still not so impressed.
 
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