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Samsung's iMac-Style 'Smart Monitor M8' With AirPlay Now Available to Pre-Order

Probably would have bought one of these if it had VESA support. I can’t find anything where it says it does or not.
 
Meh. Mildly interesting until the smart home hub part. No thank you. TVs and monitors don't get internet acesss.
 
troublador said:
I'm running Monterey on a 28.2" 4K (3840 × 2560) monitor. No absurd bigness. No pixelation. In Settings the scaled button lets me choose from options that go from "Larger Text" in one direction to "More Space" in the other. I believe what you're saying used to be true in previous iterations of macOS, but Apple has changed it. Now with external monitors Monterey automatically adjusts to give you the best default picture and gives you more scaling options.
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Yeah, but anything other than native resolution or doubled is really fuzzy. Eye strain galore on text.

I've two 32s....if you're running doubled it's too big, and native is just barely big enough with reading glasses. Native on a 27 must be tiny!
 
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bumblebritches5 said:
Samscum is so blatant about copying everything Apple does even when it makes zero sense for them to do it.

it's cringy as ****, embarrassing.
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or, maybe that company sees the hole in the market place that  is seemingly, (blatantly?) ignoring. Whats wrong with them filling the gap with a product that ppl want and 'fits the profile' of that consumer base?

personally, this isn't for me. But I feel like all of these companies are selling us 'old wine in a new bottle'. Give us up-to-date specs (BT4?, 400Nits?, USB-c?, 65W PD?), in a package we want, at a competitive price.
 
With only 99% sRGB coverage, it's not for color professionals. But it looks like a great monitor for anyone who does not require critical color accuracy.

It doesn't look like it has a VESA mount option, which is too bad.

It's funny how they chose to showcase Apple TV+ in their announcement.
 
PhaserFuzz said:
It does look nice in the photos, but I'm sure the quality will be sub par compared to Apple's offering.
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$2000 display (remember the $400 for a proper stand) has better display quality than $700...? I think that falls under the category of "I should hope so!".

diamond3 said:
his 4k natively on a 32” display has a native ppi of 137 compared to 109 on a scaled 5k display.
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Unless you are running old software that doesn't properly support HiDPI mode, "looks like 1440p" (ps: no, it really doesn't look like 1440p) on a 5k display is full 5k, 218ppi resolution with double size icons/system fonts etc. Even where scaling does take place (old software, low-res assets) it is exactly 2x which gives a cleaner result.

The "issue" such as it is is with other "scaled modes" using fractional scaling, such as "looks like 1440p" on a 4k UHD display. In that case you're getting a 5k image downscaled to 4k - which is certainly less "crisp" than proper 5k, but a lot better than actual 1440p.

jarman92 said:
I can't tell if you're kidding or just know nothing about Macs or displays. Your Mac will look decidedly worse on this display than your 2010 Cinema Display.
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Well, we don't know what the colour/contrast will be like on this - probably worse than the 2010 Cinema - but in terms of resolution it's better. 27" Cinema Display resolution was 108ppi, 4k @ 32" is 138ppi.

Let's repeat again: what Apple calls "looks like 1440p" doesn't look like 1440p. It's a misleading name that just means the system icons, text menus etc. are the same physical size as they'd be at 1440p. What you see is 5k downsampled to 4k. Not as good as native 5k, but a lot better than 1440p.

Macative said:
4K 32" running in 1x native resolution is 137 ppi with ridiculously small..unusably small assets, and an awkward imbalance between sitting far enough away from such a large screen and sitting close enough to see the microscopic assets.
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I have a 28" 4k display next to my iMac. 4K by 28" native mode is something that I could just about use if my eyeballs were 20 years younger. 32" would be usable for anybody with decent eyesight.

Also, people act as if 2:1 mode on 4k ("looks like 1920x1080"... it doesn't, see above) is terrible - it isn't - content is perfectly crisp and displayed at the full resolution of the 4k display, it's just that menus, icons, dialogue boxes are a bit big (but perfectly sharp).... and there's a whole range of scaled modes in between which are perfectly fine provided (a) you don't climb up on the desk and start doing obsessive a/b comparisons with a 5k and (b) you're not running a crummy Intel UHD GPU that's struggling for shared RAM that can't cope with the scaling.

Also check: https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/ - if your eyeballs are 25" away from a 32" 4k UHD screen then it is retina by Apple's own yardstick. Maybe you'll see pixels, maybe you won't, but going higher puts you into diminishing returns... which is why 5k hasn't taken off outside the Mac market so you can't get cheap 5k displays.

Is 5k better than 4k? Duh! Yes. Is it disappointing that Apple can't seem to contrive some way of making a cheaper 5k display (given they were previously selling one in a $1800 iMac) Yes. Is 5k worth paying twice as much for? Maybe not - 4k certainly isn't the hot garbage that some people seem to think.
 
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this monitor is hot garbage, low brightness, very low PPI, too low resolution for 2x scaling etc. This type of monitor can be better bought around the 400 dollar mark. It's literally the most unremarkable monitor ever beyond the nice design

I don't need the adware smart features as a proper OS is a superior "smart" interface.

that said the studio display has terrible contrast and refresh ratee for the price. Mini-LED or promotion would have made it an insta buy. But who can justify buying a 60hz non-hdr monitor for 1600 in 2022.....
 
The only problem I see with this monitor, is the LCD panel type. It is a VA (my current monitor is a Dell VA) and for my first 4K monitor I’d really like an IPS panel.
 
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Macative said:
A 32" 4k display. AKA completely useless to a Mac user.

At this point I'm not sure who to blame. Apple for not providing any kind of display scaling other than 2x, or the display market for continuing to ignore the size of the Mac user base.
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Here I am with an Acer 24" HD monitor attached to my 2019 MBP and it does the job just fine for my work (programmer).
So no, not "completely useless to a Mac user". :rolleyes:
 
Yes, but it only has 400 nits of brightness , opposed to Studio Display with 600 nits.
Studio Display is not on my top list, I would rather have an iMac.

Maybe at the WWDC event in June will have an update iMac with an M2 chip.
 
xxFoxtail said:
Probably would have bought one of these if it had VESA support. I can’t find anything where it says it does or not.
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As someone who has written these types of press releases, if it would have something as important as VESA mounting support, they would have likely mentioned it.
 
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Samsung should have copying ENTIRELY. 32" + 4K is a too low PPI. You end up changing scale to avoid blurry text, and lose real estate. 27"should be 5K, 32" should be 6K.
 
This and a mac mini would make a fine 32" iMac lookalike. 24" doesn't cut it anymore, and even a 27" studio display wouldn't give me the real estate I need.
 
Interesting product but you have to wonder who it is aimed at. The PR pics showing a spreadsheet imply a basic computing capability beyond just a smart tv, so aimed as an imac competitor while the specs suggest its just a smart tv. Look forward to reading a more detailed review.
 
theluggage said:
$2000 display (remember the $400 for a proper stand) has better display quality than $700...? I think that falls under the category of "I should hope so!".


Unless you are running old software that doesn't properly support HiDPI mode, "looks like 1440p" (ps: no, it really doesn't look like 1440p) on a 5k display is full 5k, 218ppi resolution with double size icons/system fonts etc. Even where scaling does take place (old software, low-res assets) it is exactly 2x which gives a cleaner result.

The "issue" such as it is is with other "scaled modes" using fractional scaling, such as "looks like 1440p" on a 4k UHD display. In that case you're getting a 5k image downscaled to 4k - which is certainly less "crisp" than proper 5k, but a lot better than actual 1440p.


Well, we don't know what the colour/contrast will be like on this - probably worse than the 2010 Cinema - but in terms of resolution it's better. 27" Cinema Display resolution was 108ppi, 4k @ 32" is 138ppi.

Let's repeat again: what Apple calls "looks like 1440p" doesn't look like 1440p. It's a misleading name that just means the system icons, text menus etc. are the same physical size as they'd be at 1440p. What you see is 5k downsampled to 4k. Not as good as native 5k, but a lot better than 1440p.


I have a 28" 4k display next to my iMac. 4K by 28" native mode is something that I could just about use if my eyeballs were 20 years younger. 32" would be usable for anybody with decent eyesight.

Also, people act as if 2:1 mode on 4k ("looks like 1920x1080"... it doesn't, see above) is terrible - it isn't - content is perfectly crisp and displayed at the full resolution of the 4k display, it's just that menus, icons, dialogue boxes are a bit big (but perfectly sharp).... and there's a whole range of scaled modes in between which are perfectly fine provided (a) you don't climb up on the desk and start doing obsessive a/b comparisons with a 5k and (b) you're not running a crummy Intel UHD GPU that's struggling for shared RAM that can't cope with the scaling.

Also check: https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/ - if your eyeballs are 25" away from a 32" 4k UHD screen then it is retina by Apple's own yardstick. Maybe you'll see pixels, maybe you won't, but going higher puts you into diminishing returns... which is why 5k hasn't taken off outside the Mac market so you can't get cheap 5k displays.

Is 5k better than 4k? Duh! Yes. Is it disappointing that Apple can't seem to contrive some way of making a cheaper 5k display (given they were previously selling one in a $1800 iMac) Yes. Is 5k worth paying twice as much for? Maybe not - 4k certainly isn't the hot garbage that some people seem to think.
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Defining "retina" as "unable to see individual pixels" is pretty dumb in 2022. It made sense in 2010 or whenever Jobs initially made the statement, but Apple doesn't really operate under that definition anymore. Now, "retina" screens are those that are capable of 2x scaling. All new Apple devices stick to this criteria—hence the weird "4.5K" iMac. So while this Samsung display seems like it would look better than the Cinema Display because it has a higher dpi, I'm not so sure because of the downscaling involved with 4K @ 32". Of course I can't say for sure without directly comparing them, but I can always tell when macOS is being downscaled and would prefer 1440p over a fuzzy 4K.
 
xxFoxtail said:
Probably would have bought one of these if it had VESA support. I can’t find anything where it says it does or not.
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MacSince1985 said:
With only 99% sRGB coverage, it's not for color professionals. But it looks like a great monitor for anyone who does not require critical color accuracy.

It doesn't look like it has a VESA mount option, which is too bad.

It's funny how they chose to showcase Apple TV+ in their announcement.
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Some reviews from CES 2022 say it does have VESA compatibility. It doesn't look like it's built-in, but the stand is detachable, so all they need is a VESA plate to mount the monitor to.

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(https://www.coolthings.com/samsung-smart-monitor-m8-workspace-game-smarttv-smart-home)
It comes with an ergonomic stand that supports a variety of adjustments, all while being compatible with the VESA mounting standard.
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